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    usairriflebenchrest.com

    There has been some question as to where air rifle benchrest was going to go without the AGBR. If you are interested, see http://www.usairriflebenchrest.com/

    Frank Tirrell and I have been talking and we hope you like it. If not, please tell us how to make it better. The World Championships are being held in South Carolina in 2011 and the USA should have an air rifle team representing this country.

    My apologies to Ron Lewis, who I tried to contact so to receive his blessing.

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    Best wishes to get us moving ahead again hopefully on one page. One thought, perhaps indoor or outdoor divisions.
    Being from WI things tend to get a bit frosty outside towards the tail end of the year (Oct.) and the defrost cycle doesn't start till about April. So we start to play indoors. Wind goes away but the mirage from indoor thermals can do a sneak attack on you pretty quick.

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    Good Idea

    Thanks. Indoor and outdoor does make good sense.

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    Where do you sign up?
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    Larry,

    Sent you a PM. Thanks.

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    The two possible problems I can see are #1 25 meters not yards and #2 limiting the guns to 20 FT/LB. The club I shoot at indoors for the winter is set up for 25 yards and just about everyone shoots .22 cal meaning that we will be well over the 20 FT/LB limit.
    I for one have no desire to de tune my guns to the 20 FT/LB limit or switch to .177 cal to fall within the limit. I would guess that most if not all of the folks shooting .22 cal would be in the same boat. Unless I'm missing something that is kind of a big wrinkle with International rules.
    Doug

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    Good Points

    Nothing carved in granite here. 25 meters is what the rest of the world uses as a distance, It has already been suggested that there be a distinction between indoors and outdoor matches. Maybe indoors, the distance should be 25 yards?

    With an open/unlimited class, you can use any power, any caliber, one piece rest, even a rail gun if you can carry it to the bench, just use the international target.

    A springer class for all those that love the twang, again using the international target.

    Lastly, an international class for those that want to shoot .177 at 20 FPE, where the international rules apply.

    The international target is an excellent challenge and no copyright issues.
    Last edited by cris; 08-09-2010 at 04:17 PM.

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    I didn't get the PM
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    Sent another. Thanks.

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    Yes, inside 25 yards, that is what we have also. Biggest thing in my little mind is a uniform target. Always liked apples to apples. Distance and targets were the big rub awhile back. When Mr. Lewis was promoting AGBR. There were some rather heated posts IIRC. I am the one that got it started at my club, But had to hand it off due to other issues. We have around 5 of us at present during the winter, currenty I am the only one shooting outdoors. We run it concurrent with the Rimfire during the warm weather.

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    I've seen this sortof thing before. I suspect it WON'T be a real World Championship unless the current World Rules are used. I'm not sure about going, but if I do, its a year ahead, so I'll make the adjustments in time to conform to the meters and fpe stuff in order to lay against the foreigners, just to see how I stack up. My gun shoots hard right now, but we shoot at fifty-one yards, and this helps. I don't have space on my current range right now for fifty meters, but I think I can (and will) squeeze at least one lane in for the metric distance.

    Now I just need some targets to look at. I'm looking forward to it.

    Could be, I will need to drop down to .177 if the .22 doesnt cut it .... which aint the end of the world for me, building an extra gun will be fun!

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    To Therealld, 25 meters=27.3yards, 51yrds =46.6 meters, I know it just slipped past you. Plus you guys use the A-36 smallbore target at that 51 yards? That will make the International target look like a football field. The hitch is one shot per bull vs shooting group, that is where it gets interesting, those little changes in pressure points due interesting things to our pop guns.

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    Barrels

    Maybe it's time for a .177 button to do custom stainless steel benchrest barrels, like the ones in .22 that Larry has been playing with.

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    Cris,
    We shot the International target at our last match and we liked it. I would like to see the apples to apples approach too with everyone shooting the same target at the same agreed upon distance with the same power classes much like we did before and it looks like you guys have that covered. I don't know about the distance but I suspect yards would be better as the standard used simply because most of the clubs I have shot at have indoor facility's maxed out at 25 yards and the outside ranges have the target stands or something to hold target frames set at 25 , 50 75 , 100 yards and so on and some of the clubs will not allow any deviation and they are not exactly Air gun friendly to start with so if you start talking about moving stuff or special this or that you pretty much have ended before you start.. If a shooter plans on attending the World Championship or a club plans on selecting a team then they would be responsible for shooting a gun that falls within the International rules and shooting / practicing at 25 meters. I suspect more folks would be interested in attending a match rather than going to the World's so I think sticking with Feet rather than Meters could be easier . Ultimately it will come down to what will motivate people to attend the matches and keep the game alive. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds and I hope you get more feed back. Just in case I have not said it enough I vote for yards not meters.
    Doug

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    All good points. The international target has been well received. The reason to look at meters was to maintain that apples to apples approach with the rest of the world. In that way, it is easy to gauge performances regardless of venue. It also keeps any records on an even playing field.

    On the other hand, if it becomes a problem at outdoor ranges to move target stands the 7 feet, then yards it will be. Those that run the clubs and matches will decide.

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