Rem 700 .243 to ?????

[CYanchycki]

Okay all you gunsmiths hear is what I am wondering.

I have the current in a youth model. How well or what mods would be needed to say rebarrel into a 22 Beggs for a varmint rifle shooting no more than 40 gr bullets?

Will the extractor remove the fired brass using the factory bolt?

If not I can order a PPC boltface bolt from Kiff. Then the next question. Would it feed?

I know I should just sell it and get a Stiller Predator in a PPC boltface and be done with it. Why Stiller you may ask? They are easy to get as Robertson Imports them regularily and should fit in the factory Tupperware SPS stock.

Calvin

PS: I should mention I am beginning to even hate the recoil of the .243 and it generates a lot of heat in the summer months.

[Larry Elliott]

The .22 BR will work with no bolt face or extractor work. I don't know if it will feed from a .243 magazine, but likely as well, or not, as the .22 Beggs. Either would likely require blanking off the front or rear of the magazine box and maybe some mods to the follower. A piece of aluminum epoxied to the inside of the front or rear of the magazine box would work for shortening the magazine, but follower mods could be a pain in the caboose.

There wouldn't be much difference in the price of brass between the two since you'd be using Lapua for either a BR or Beggs, but the BR holds more powder by some. My .22 BR on a 700V with a 26" barrel will make ~4200 fps with 40 gr V-Max's, and shot them into 3's and 4's for five shots at 100 yards when I tried them. The barrel has a 1 in 12" twist too.

If I were going to shoot bullets no heavier than 52 to 53 gr I'd get a 1 in 14 twist. The 1 in 12 barrel on my .22 BR shoots the lighter bullets better than it does 60's and 65's that I'd been planning to use in it, but I'd still go for a 1 in 14.

Unless you plan to use the rifle on coyotes a single shot adapter takes care of feeding problems. I've never been attacked by a wounded, enraged bull prairie dog yet, so have never needed a quick follow up shot.

[jackie schmidt]

Shooters have been chambering Remington's with the standard .473 bolt face in PPC for years, and the Factory Extractor seems to pull the case with no problems.

Of course, ther is no guarantee it will work with no problems, I am just going on what I have seen in the past.

By the way, I have shot full load 22 BR's with 52 grn bullets, and I would say the recoil is a tad under a full house 6PPC. I would forget about the begs and build a 22BR..........JACKIE

[captbill]

Do yourself a favor and forget about the magazine if you go with a br or ppc type case. I shot a 700 (Tubegun) in 6mmbr across the course (NRA Highpower) for years and was never able to get all the feed and ejection problems out. I went to 5 smiths throught a half a dozen spring types and atleast a dozen plungers- long, short, flat, angled you name it. The gun just shoots so good I kept it up but the only reliable way to get the empty cases out was to tilt the gun way to the right as I drew the bolt back.

[henrya]

Its not going to feed.
Never.

As crazy as this sounds make it a .222 or .223
Or trade for a .222 bolt face action.
I know that's too easy but thought I'd suggest it anyway.

[CYanchycki]

few things up I mentioned the Beggs for the fact of having a smaller case capacity than using the BR case.

Trying to keep the barrel heat down in the summer months and get decent barrel life.

I would order my own reamer from PT&G.

So basically the PPC cases should extract okay from the 308 boltface. If that is the case then I get a single shot follower and build what I want using Lapua 220 Russian brass.

The other option is since I want it more as a coyote gun and a caliber that will not smash pelts I order a new small face bolt from PT&G and build a 223 or 20 Tactical.

In reality I am not worried if it can feed from the magazine so I am okay with it being a single shot. If I miss a yote at close distance I feel pretty confident I can get another round in it fast enough to get another shot within reasonable distance.

I guess I should ask, what do you fellows feel would be the most accurate cartridge out there in 22 cal in regards to consistency just as the 6PPC is in 100/200?

Thanks for your input.

Calvin

[nhkuehl]

.223 Remington. Easily a .5 MOA cartridge at 100-200. A 1:12 twist with Nosler 40 gr Ballistic Tips or 1:9 twist with 55 gr Ballistic Tips or 36 gr Barnes Varmint Grenades.

[therifler]

Built 221fireball on short action rem . got the gun to feed . However the short little case upon extraction would seperate from the bolt before it got to the ejection port . This was before rem. started chambering for that round and i had some of those guns come in for the very same problem .

[jackie schmidt]

As compared to the level as seen in a 6PPC.

222 Rem, 22 Beggs, 22PPC .100 Short

[Bob Kingsbury]

maybe a 223 ackley would meet your needs. groups in the half inch
range is about all that could be realized in a tupperware stock with
reliability and no feeding problems. Barrel heat and recoil would be
user friendly and brass a simple matter.

[Boyd Allen]

I think that the decision as to what caliber would depend on what sort of varmints, and at what range you will be shooting. I hear all of this whoopdedo about various new calibers, and I understand the desire for shooters to have a new project, and/or be able to tell their friends that they are shooting something exotic, but I have to tell you that I am not to personally motivated to go that way, BECAUSE I am lucky to have a Model 70, with a sporter weight barrel that has a throat short enough so that I can seat platic tipped 40 grain bullets into the rifling, that shoots sub half inch groups off of the bench (with care, and wind flags) and which feeds and ejects flawlessly from the magazine since I modified the block to make it longer. The 40s have enough less recoil so that I can see all of my hits through the Leupold VXIII 4.5 x 14, and the extra velocity of the lighter bullets, that have about the same BC as the heavier hollow points that I used to shoot, remakes the old duce into a whole different caliber. To me, it is the perfect walking varmint rifle.

[CYanchycki]

make a valid comment in your post.

Basically we hear all to often about guys and there 17 or 20 cals and shooting coyotes out to 300 yards and beyond. The problem I have is the term that gets debated all to often a clean and ethical kill.

I always tell people if I have to be in the coyotes shoes getting shot at, shoot me with the largest caliber that will do the job the quickest yet trying to not smash the pelt to bad.

The above mentioned calibers will do the job but must be used inside of 150-200 yards unless you are maybe shooting a 22/30-338 supersonic Mach 4 Wildcat cartridge.....

In reality my 243 Win youth model is the perfect gun as it shoots 55 gr bullets at 3600 fps in the sub moa range and I can load and shoot 105's if I want to shoot whitetails. It is short with a 20" barrel and 12"stock and light. Basically the perfect walking rifle.

The drawback is in the summer when I want to plick in the gopher patch can we say barrel heat and burner with all that powder, and it is to hard on pelts when the yotes are in close. Probably would have to shoot them no closer than maybe 3-400 yards to not smash them up to bad. Not the easiest thing to do off of shooting sticks.

Anyways after some of the ideas being kicked around I am leaning towards the 22 Beggs. I am able to see how it will work ejecting cases with the standard 308 boltface with a single shot follower. If it gives me grief a quick call to PT&G and I have a new bolt to solve that issue.

I could just buy another rifle and be done with it but I want to keep my arsenal down to just my 6PPC's for competition and my varmint/coyote rifle.

Anyways thanks for the ideas and keep them coming.

Calvin

[vicvanb]

Trying to keep the barrel heat down in the summer months and get decent barrel life.

The other option is since I want it more as a coyote gun and a caliber that will not smash pelts...

Summer months? Coyotes? Pelts? Barrel heating?

You must be hunting in a place with lots of coyotes (if you're concerned with barrel heating) where it's cold enough that they have good pelts in summer!

[vicvanb]

I think that the decision as to what caliber would depend on what sort of varmints, and at what range you will be shooting. I hear all of this whoopdedo about various new calibers, and I understand the desire for shooters to have a new project, and/or be able to tell their friends that they are shooting something exotic, but I have to tell you that I am not to personally motivated to go that way, BECAUSE I am lucky to have a Model 70, with a sporter weight barrel that has a throat short enough so that I can seat platic tipped 40 grain bullets into the rifling, that shoots sub half inch groups off of the bench (with care, and wind flags) and which feeds and ejects flawlessly from the magazine since I modified the block to make it longer. The 40s have enough less recoil so that I can see all of my hits through the Leupold VXIII 4.5 x 14, and the extra velocity of the lighter bullets, that have about the same BC as the heavier hollow points that I used to shoot, remakes the old duce into a whole different caliber. To me, it is the perfect walking varmint rifle.

Great advice!

[alinwa]

Summer months? Coyotes? Pelts? Barrel heating?

You must be hunting in a place with lots of coyotes (if you're concerned with barrel heating) where it's cold enough that they have good pelts in summer!

???

You don't heat your barrel shooting coyotes vic

We get it, you're not a hunter..... give it a rest man!

HEEEpers......

al