Originally Posted by Bill Wynne
In the immortal words of Dennis the menace, You just can't tell how deep a puddle is from the top!
How often do we see a post that asks a similar question and not once does the post state the intended use for the component? Nor are we asked how to find and answer.
In the past we have seen articles in the mags taken with strobe photos to show brioche (I never could find the spelling for that word), primer flash at the muzzle, velocities at different temperatures and primer effect with different types of powders and load densities. Type of powders, stick, ball or flake. The list of variables is a long one. We take all of this in and throw out answers to a question that is never asked.
I know my answer is a gruff one. I would like to see the question come from a point of reference and be one that has some point of reference.
Someone that is shooting a semi-auto in competition might have a different perspective than a shooter using a bolt gun in no matter the point of competition or field use.
When this question came up years ago, I took the step of first asking, what makes a match primer any different than a non-matched marked primer? I called FEDERAL and asked them this question. The answer I got was quite illuminating and made we aware that all statical data, in the end came down to a crap shoot at best.
Next we see folks weighing primers in and attempt to segregate, to achieve a better chance at uniformity. I would like people to ask themselves? How many Hall of fame shooters, Wimbledon, National Match shooters think about that, stood in the winners circle worrying about any of this crap?
I do know that in this crowd of shooters that can test any of this, most do not have the equipment nor a tunnel to test any of the factors that will influence by elimination of other factors to give positive information.
I remember setting next to the Late ED WATSON at a Super Shoot and talking about this same subject. ED had found the same results as I had using Winchester primers as we did shooting FEDAERAL Match primers for the PPC ctg.
So Bill, can you judge how deep the water is from the top of the puddle?
pissy about any of this? Many of us can only speak from our experiences. What none of us have any control over is the manufacturer of any of the components we have to buy. All we can do is to give things our best shot based on what we have experienced and feel. perhaps none of that is relevent but invariably it is to us. Why question that feeling. I think it analagous to " no one else can feel the true warmth of wetting one's self", AYE?
Last edited by Pete Wass; 01-21-2009 at 10:06 PM.
The Gold Medal primers are apparently STILL filling military contracts so they will be hard to come by. It is my understanding that the 210s and 210Ms differ only in the color of the box they come in. It has something to do with using their best sorters but the primers are the same. I never could tell a difference between them myself. It's kinda like putting a Select match barrel on your 30-06 for deer hunting; it really doesn't hurt anything but surely isn't necessary.
As of recently, I have had the best luck with CCI BR2 in my loads and I typically use the Remingtons in Small rifle. If I get something really good going, I may experiment a little more with primers but I rarely have much luck fussing with them.
I would like to try some Wolf primers and see if I can get lower ES for the long range loads.
Originally Posted by slugger
And I have shot my best groups to date with them also.
I think all of the other guys are wrong.
Remington standard large rifle primers are obviously the best.
Whatever lights your powder.
Originally Posted by hecksf
start loading for a match I have about ten steps I go through prepping brass, weighing primers, sorting bullets, etc. I know I don't need to go through ALL these steps to get good results, but WHICH one do I eliminate? I don't dare not going through all of them. If I talk to other shooters some follow the same steps, perhaps not all of them. Other shooters follow other procedures. I continue following the same steps after many years of competition
Federal Gold Medal primers are not what the military uses in issued ammunition (except match ammo). The cups are to thin. The lines manufacturing the Gold Medals were temporarily converted over to make the military primers. The primary order has been filled and lines have been back making their regular runs. People are just buying up a lot of components right now and I can not disagree with that....now is the time to get what you want to last for a good long time.
Originally Posted by slugger