Fire extinguishers and Guns

[FBecigneul]

Fire extinguishers are now considered a "hazard" in the UK!

All fire extinguishers may be forcibly removed from apartment buildings, and
individual residences, throughout the UK! Government eggheads have decided
that fire extinguishers represent a threat, because their presence encourages
"untrained people" to take (God forbid!) personal initiative and actually
extinguish a fire, rather than simply fleeing the building!

"Risk assessors" further pontificated that typical citizens
(aka: "idiots")
might point fire extinguishers in the wrong direction, or use the wrong
extinguishers. They just can't be trusted to do anything right! Besides, they
add, with new building regulations, every escape route "should be" fireproof.

I am left to wonder about those confronting small fires in their kitchens.

Do you suppose there is even a slight chance they might just figure out how
to actually use a fire extinguisher for its intended purpose? They're awfully
complicated, you know!

I also wonder if all those who are trapped and subsequently burned to death

in "fireproof" escape routes will find these risk assessors' assurances
comforting!

Comment: Among ordained collectivists, every possibility of personal
initiative must be suffocated! This is the same thinking that underpins
anti-gun
politics in this country. They only want victims. Being a "good victim" is
thus one's ultimate civic responsibility!

[4Mesh]

I think this comes down to the legal system, insurance companies and liability. See, the liability of having a person die in a fire is far greater if you didn't teach them "properly" how to use the fire extinguisher. Soooo, you have to tell them that if there's a fire, just get out, and hope they do that correctly or you'll pay for that too.

At some point, I say stuff like this comes under the heading of natural attrition. A conversation here at work revealed that this is happening in industry here as well. They can't remove the extinguishers cause OSHA will have a fit about that, but they can tell you in a fire to just leave.

[milanuk]

At my work place - a hydro power plant - they went through a couple years ago and removed all the *fire hoses*. They were stationed at various locations around the plant, connected to a main header that is supplied from a rather large river (via the normal oversized fire pumps). But it costs a fair amount to train people on a recurring basis to be 'proficient', and to have the hoses inspected, and the insurance company insisted that the hoses be *removed* so you didn't have a dedicated employee try and fight the fire. Throw a fire extinguisher at it, if that doesn't work, haul ass and call the fire department... who now has to lug their own hoses down into the site. Freakin' brilliant. Very frustrating after being in Navy submarines, where you *were* the fire department, so you got trained to handle the situation, not hand it off to someone lese, or after being at a nuke power plant where they had such a good fire-fighting training setup just outside the plant, that the local city fire departments came *there* to train (helped pay for the place, too).

Friggin' nanny states.

[RStiefel]

at the number of people who don't know how to properly use a fire extinguisher or the correct one. The fire watch training that takes place at the nuke plants clearly shows 85% of the students in training have no clue as to how to use one correctly. I wonder if the UK will ban the presence of extinguishers on boats also??? A lot like someone new to shooting a gun correctly. Point it and squeeze the trigger? Yea, right!

[Twud]

I have a friend that lives in a high end town house community. The county in which he lives mandates sprinkler systems in all new homes. He has to pay to have it inspected every 2 years and he pays a premium on his homeowners insurance due to the risk of an accidental discharge. Go figure.

[Larry Elliott]

Since the idea of any kind of self defense is so repellant to the British, it only makes sense that the idea of someone using their own initiative to put out a small fire would also be considered bad. I wonder how they will enforce the removal of fire extinguishers from people's homes? Declare those evil things contraband like guns and pointy knives?

What we have to look forward to in our future maybe?

[brian roberts]

that in britain, or maybe new york, they wanted all the Chefs to register their kitchen knives!!
After all, once one has been done in by a berserk Chef, it'll be nice for your heirs to know just WHICH one will be charged!!! ".....yes ma'am, we eliminated the Jap sushi-boy an' the Aleut whale skinner becuz no Ulus or Katanas were used; funny thing, though, there was so much damage, we had to check EVERY fire-ax in EVERY firehouse between here an' Punxatawney before we could safely eliminate a fireman that may have gotten ptomaine from a spoiled shrimp" "Well, detective, I'm so relieved your men......" Well, ahem, you know what I mean.

Hey!! There has to be SOME excuse for hiring bureaucrats & inspectors, right?? Remember this....? "....He has erected a multitude of New Offices and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.-...." ???

[alinwa]

Remember this....? "....He has erected a multitude of New Offices and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.-...." ???

No I don't but I'm piqued....... who and where is this from?


al

[Al Nyhus]

The author is John Hancock.

The title of the work is: 'The Declaration of Independence'. -Al

[alinwa]

The author is John Hancock.

The title of the work is: 'The Delaration of Independence'. -Al

ka-TCHING!!!

(insert little slapping forehead emoticon here)

Thanks Al

al

[brian roberts]

that's from...(drum roll, here)ta-DAAhh!! The Declaration of INDEPENDENCE!!! Brought to you by a bunch of nondescript ol' White guys who had the audacity to believe you should live in a land, & be able to say what was on your mind, along w/other out-moded ideals, like being as good as your word,(w/out some lawyer writing everything down), and keeping guns at home(SO important that many states REFUSED to ratify w/out that inclusion) as well as other crap, like, a REPUBLIC, where the property owners voted. But, as we can see, that really wouldn't work in modern times like these(that try men's souls). Besides, who did these guys think they were anyway?? They were buffoons, who only had an average of seventeen years of education, ah, well, time marches on. But... one thing's for sure...... they certainly had command of the language, with surgical precision, I would give(as one of my departed friends used to say)"my box seat in hell" to see Patrick Henry on stage, delivering some of his oratory.

[alinwa]

that's from...(drum roll, here)ta-DAAhh!! The Declaration of INDEPENDENCE!!! Brought to you by a bunch of nondescript ol' White guys who had the audacity to believe you should live in a land, & be able to say what was on your mind, along w/other out-moded ideals, like being as good as your word,(w/out some lawyer writing everything down), and keeping guns at home(SO important that many states REFUSED to ratify w/out that inclusion) as well as other crap, like, a REPUBLIC, where the property owners voted. But, as we can see, that really wouldn't work in modern times like these(that try men's souls). Besides, who did these guys think they were anyway?? They were buffoons, who only had an average of seventeen years of education, ah, well, time marches on. But... one thing's for sure...... they certainly had command of the language, with surgical precision, I would give(as one of my departed friends used to say)"my box seat in hell" to see Patrick Henry on stage, delivering some of his oratory.

I stand, eyes downcast, chastised, chastened.

I agree heartily with the last line. Early American and English prose were wonderful things. I believe that the English have maintained more of an interest in expressing themselves well than we have. Watching 'Whose Line Is It Anyways' (Brit version) is startling.

Anyways........... I'm ashamed

al

[Winchester 69]

www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

[brian roberts]

ashamed, Al, I remembered it because of some key words. Actually, I felt the statement has had more relavency than ever, since about 1980, but particularly in the last sixteen to twenty years.