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    muzzle jump vs accuracy

    I have done quite a bit of paper punching with my .22 rifles with fair results eyes aren't what they used to be especially having Glaucoma. I can average around 3/4" groups at 50yds. with a .22 but, when shooting a larger caliber such as my 30-06 or even my .223 it seems I can't get as good of a group as I should even at 50yds? I know it has to be me but not sure how. I know, I'm not flinching could it be muzzle jumping causing this problem. It's probably a lot to do with the way I hold the rifle. when shooting the 30-06 from bags, should I be holding the forearm of the stock with my left hand to try to control muzzle jump as much as possible? or just use my left hand to adjust the rear bag? Thanks for any tips! the gun in question is a Savage 111 in 30-06.

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    I don't know about gun tips, but a whole lot of factory rimfire ammunition is a whole lot more accurate at 50 yards than most centrefire factory loads, if that's what you happen to be firing.

    You might also consider the possibility that the issue is the recoil playing merry hell with the pressure in your eyeballs & causing vision issues. I have a friend with glaucoma & he has found that he can get far better results with low recoiling rifles than the .308 Palma gun he's been shooting all these years. Admittedly he compounded that issue by having a chest man make his ribs into bar room doors for a while the year before last & he's still worrying about his sternum creaking.

    When I bench heavier recoiling guns, I try to take a certain amount of the recoil on the base of my thumb, so I hang on fairly tight with the trigger hand, or at least get my thumb well over the centreline of the stock. If I let them totally free recoil, I tend to get gunshy real quickly & run up the white flag. I use a joystick bag, so my other hand is holding the knob, if you'll excuse the phrasing.

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    You might have a point there, I use eye drops twice a day to reduce the pressure in my eyes but that may not be enough for heavy recoiling rifle shooting. Thanks for the info!

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    If shooting off of a rest look at a Benchrest stock

    http://www.championshooters.com/stor...?productid=696


    on the bags rides backward because its straight, no angle to throw the muzzle up and the back down on recoil.




    Even A Sniper rifle stock is designed different from a hunting rifle

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_rifle



    Now look at the top stock

    HUNTERS EDGE ULTRALIGHT This is a Monte Carlo Design
    of most Hunting rifles

    Look at the rear hand grip and back portion compared to the bench rest stocks below.

    Everything about a hunting stock increases muzzle flip add high pressure high recoil rounds with heavy bullets and fast twist barrels and 4lb triggers and you have a flipping torquing recoiling monster that one onethousandths of an inch movement of the gun throws a shot off one inch at one hundred yards.

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    If you'll do the math you'll find that an average rifle recoils less than .050" before the bullet leaves the muzzle. So your problem is obviously something other than "muzzle jump" I'd say that it is probably 99% your setup and technique.

    JMHO

    Ray

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    I figured this would be the best forum to find helpful advice and I was right! Thanks I just hope it's not because of my eyes. now I do use the cheaper winchester and remington ammo being on a fixed income the premium stuff is hard to get my hands on. Thought about slowly gathering the things needed to reload but, due to age and medical conditions that might not work out. should have started when I was younger When I talk about muzzle jump, I mean it comes way up off the bags. I probably should mention my bench setup is the rack of my four wheeler and a couple of cheap allen's bags so maybe part of the jumping could be from such a poor shooting rest. I think the bags are too close together some times it doesn't, jump real bad maybe I'm not getting the same consistent position of the gun in the bags? Just thought I'd add more info that may be part of my problems also. Thanks Again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheechako View Post
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    If you'll do the math you'll find that an average rifle recoils less than .050" before the bullet leaves the muzzle. So your problem is obviously something other than "muzzle jump" I'd say that it is probably 99% your setup and technique.

    JMHO

    Ray
    Ah, you beat me I was typing the same time you were but, seems you came to the same conclusions pretty much Thanks!

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    Correction

    This is how the post should have appeared:



    If shooting off of a rest look at a Benchrest stock

    http://www.championshooters.com/stor...?productid=696


    on the bags rides backward because its straight, no angle to throw the muzzle up and the back down on recoil.




    Even A Sniper rifle stock is designed different from a hunting rifle

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M40_rifle



    http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-st...stock-list.php

    Now look at the top stock

    HUNTERS EDGE ULTRALIGHT This is a Monte Carlo Design
    of most Hunting rifles

    Look at the rear hand grip and back portion compared to the bench rest stocks below.

    Everything about a hunting stock increases muzzle flip add high pressure high recoil rounds with heavy bullets and fast twist barrels and 4lb triggers and you have a flipping torquing recoiling monster that one onethousandths of an inch movement of the gun throws a shot off one inch at one hundred yards.

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