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    Quote Originally Posted by tonykharper View Post
    Evelio,

    Thank you for replying to the thread. Glad to hear there are new builds in the making.

    I'm always hoping there is something new, different, and perhaps better coming available.

    If you have anything special about the new Vudoo builds please share it here.

    I understand your customers may not want you to revealed their secret sauce but please share what you can.

    I have a suggestion.

    If you have the resources, and the opportunity, set up a slave stock so multiple actions can bolted to it. Take a barrel chamber it and use a coned breach.

    Use your contraption to test various actions using the same barrel/ammo. You may have to use spacers between the action face.

    Be sure to shoot each action enough you feel comfortable with your results.

    It may be interesting.

    TKH
    Tony, nothing special about the Vudoo actions, the only thing that call my attention, is out of all 3 actions after swaping bolts in between all 3 of them, there was only .0005" difference in the dimension taken from the face of the action to the face of the bolt where the back of the case fits ( headspace - .043" ) pretty impressive.
    So far I completed one rifle, and started testing with the 13 and 14 lbs. springs no FTF, and no change in the accuracy, the firing pin impact was on the edge of the rim, but still good accuracy. I have new firing pins coming where the impact will be more away from the ream, so I won't do any more testing until I get them, probably early next week.
    I do like the way you can change springs in a few minutes with no tools or jigs required. Also no modifications have been made to the action except trying different firing pin springs.
    As far as the test you suggested, using the same stock but different actions same barrel will not work, the 2500 has a inverted recoil lug than when properly bedded, will stick out on the stock, and will not allow the Turbo action to fit flat on the stock, the Vudoo, forget it, it is a totally different foot print.
    Now I can test all 3 of the Vudoo actions in the same stock, and using the same barrel but I don't know what that would prove. Explain what you are looking for ??
    Evelio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evelio View Post
    Tony, nothing special about the Vudoo actions, the only thing that call my attention, is out of all 3 actions after swaping bolts in between all 3 of them, there was only .0005" difference in the dimension taken from the face of the action to the face of the bolt where the back of the case fits ( headspace - .043" ) pretty impressive.
    So far I completed one rifle, and started testing with the 13 and 14 lbs. springs no FTF, and no change in the accuracy, the firing pin impact was on the edge of the rim, but still good accuracy. I have new firing pins coming where the impact will be more away from the ream, so I won't do any more testing until I get them, probably early next week.
    I do like the way you can change springs in a few minutes with no tools or jigs required. Also no modifications have been made to the action except trying different firing pin springs.
    As far as the test you suggested, using the same stock but different actions same barrel will not work, the 2500 has a inverted recoil lug than when properly bedded, will stick out on the stock, and will not allow the Turbo action to fit flat on the stock, the Vudoo, forget it, it is a totally different foot print.
    Now I can test all 3 of the Vudoo actions in the same stock, and using the same barrel but I don't know what that would prove. Explain what you are looking for ??
    Evelio.
    Thank you for the reply. I have not had the opportunity to exam the Vudoo BR/F class action so any info you share helps.

    I have watched the videos and saw pics but they only provide very basic info.

    It is good to know consistency between the actions is that good.

    This allows Vudoo to send customer barrels threaded, chambered, with extractor cuts so they can be used without additional gunsmith work.

    The original Flash turbos varied quite a bit as did the 10Xs actions. These actions were made in small lots and the actions were pretty close within the same batch but varied from batch to batch.

    When Bill Hingardner and Di Orio obtained Turbo and began making the "New" version they made the actions with such consistency barrels with the same tenon dimensions would fit all Turbo actions equally well.

    I recall testing barrels with Bill and Tony Boyer at Piney Hill. Bill had 20 barrels threaded and chambered. We used three New Turbo actions and each of us shot all the barrels.

    We even shot each action with the barrels we selected.

    After that test I learned testing the barrels as we did was not the panacea I had hoped it to be.

    To quote Ivan Wells "it is the total package".

    Stiller actions have always had this level of consistency. Stiller can send you a barrel and it will fit 100% of the time.

    Being able to take down the bolt without tools is a neat and useful idea. I assume that is accomplished with a bayonet mount?

    As for my suggest: as they would say in NY "FORGET ABOUT IT". It was just any idea.

    Please continue to share what you can about the new rifle builds. The great thing about the Vudoos it seems younger guys are buying them.

    We really need new shooters, particularly younger shooters.

    TKH
    Last edited by tonykharper; 02-15-2021 at 03:39 PM.

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    Walther KK500

    The Walther rifle previously referred to is most likely the KK500. The following is a link for reference: http://https://carl-walther.com/sport/products/p/2855275E

    Regards,
    ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1813benny View Post
    The Walther rifle previously referred to is most likely the KK500. The following is a link for reference: http://https://carl-walther.com/sport/products/p/2855275E

    Regards,
    ken
    Ken,

    Typical German engineering. Very complicated, but outstandingly presented.

    With all our worries about vibration/tune I wonder how these react.

    I would guess if you find one that works, it works well, but if you have a problem, finding the solution may be a difficult road to travel.

    TKH

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    Interesting thread Tony. I'd almost forgotten how irritating trying to get the "Just right" firing pin shape and spring rate can be. But, it makes a difference, if it's right. Good luck the coming season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evelio View Post
    As far as the test you suggested, using the same stock but different actions same barrel will not work, the 2500 has a inverted recoil lug than when properly bedded, will stick out on the stock, and will not allow the Turbo action to fit flat on the stock, the Vudoo, forget it, it is a totally different foot print.
    Now I can test all 3 of the Vudoo actions in the same stock, and using the same barrel but I don't know what that would prove. Explain what you are looking for ??
    Evelio.
    It just so happens, I own a stock that Ivan made that will accept the V-22S, Turbo and 2500. Maybe we have an opportunity to conduct a cool test....

    MB

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    "Richard" Willy

    Quote Originally Posted by Slick Willy View Post
    Real Pretty strikes on the outer extreme , fail to fire ! post #24 Technical Section ! Should have never left Utah !
    Do you mean this post:
    http://www.rimfireaccuracy.com/Forum...ch-at-my-range

    What would you like to know? I think if we dive into this and start taking the story apart, a lot will come to the surface....

    MB

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEFTI RIMFIRE View Post
    It just so happens, I own a stock that Ivan made that will accept the V-22S, Turbo and 2500. Maybe we have an opportunity to conduct a cool test....

    MB
    Mike,

    That is great. To test these actions using the same barrel, trigger, stock, and tuner you will need an adapter to fit the .750 barrel tenon.

    That should not be much of a problem. Many of these adapters have been made for use in 40Xs.

    As interesting as that test will be it may be even more interesting if you could take your rifle to the ARA in-door Nationals. Or have someone else shoot it at the Nationals.

    I'm under the impression there will be other V-22S represented at the match. The more the merrier.

    This could be the "coming out" of a new RFBR action to main stream RFBR.

    This will add interest to the match and make it an historical event.

    Time to get this thing on the road.

    TKH
    Last edited by tonykharper; 02-26-2021 at 07:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonykharper View Post
    Mike,

    That is great. To test these actions using the same barrel, trigger, stock, and tuner you will need an adapter to fit the .750 barrel tenon.

    That should not be much of a problem. Many of these adapters have been made for use in 40Xs.

    As interesting as that test will be it may be even more interesting if you could take your rifle to the ARA in-door Nationals. Or have someone else shoot it at the Nationals.

    I'm under the impression there will be other V-22S represented at the match. The more the merrier.

    This could be the "coming out" of a new RFBR action to main stream RFBR.

    This will add interest to the match and make it an historical event.

    Time to get this thing on the road.

    TKH
    I'm certainly interested in the test and familiar with the reducer for the .750" tenon. The difficult part is to schedule the time to work on it.

    Beyond that, I really have no personal interest in anything in GA, but let me know what you have going on elsewhere and I'll be there. My rifle arrives Monday and I have a couple boxes of the Eley to play with from testing in Ivan's tunnel, but anxious to get to Lapua in early March.

    MB

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEFTI RIMFIRE View Post
    I'm certainly interested in the test and familiar with the reducer for the .750" tenon. The difficult part is to schedule the time to work on it.

    Beyond that, I really have no personal interest in anything in GA, but let me know what you have going on elsewhere and I'll be there. My rifle arrives Monday and I have a couple boxes of the Eley to play with from testing in Ivan's tunnel, but anxious to get to Lapua in early March.

    MB
    The Professional Shooting League (PSL) Muller Works Winter Shoot Out, 19 March 2021, and the ARA In-door Nationals 20-21 Mar 2021,

    will be by far the most important matches coming up before the summer season.

    But they aren't the only ones.

    Mar 27, 2021 at Kettlefoot, Va. the Unlimited Tennessee State IR 50/50 10 shot tournament will be held.

    April 2, 2021 Piney Hill, Va. will be hosting the Unlimited IR 50/50 Virginia State and Mid Atlantic Tournament.

    April 3, 2021 Piney Hill, Va. will be hosting the IR 50/50 10 shot Virginia State and Mid Atlantic tournament.

    April 4, 2021 Piney Hill, Va. will be hosting the IR 50/50 10 shot Nationals.

    Any of these would be an ideal place to have the Vudoo 22S "Coming Out party.

    TKH

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonykharper View Post
    The Professional Shooting League (PSL) Muller Works Winter Shoot Out, 19 March 2021, and the ARA In-door Nationals 20-21 Mar 2021,

    will be by far the most important matches coming up before the summer season.

    But they aren't the only ones.

    Mar 27, 2021 at Kettlefoot, Va. the Unlimited Tennessee State IR 50/50 10 shot tournament will be held.

    April 2, 2021 Piney Hill, Va. will be hosting the Unlimited IR 50/50 Virginia State and Mid Atlantic Tournament.

    April 3, 2021 Piney Hill, Va. will be hosting the IR 50/50 10 shot Virginia State and Mid Atlantic tournament.

    April 4, 2021 Piney Hill, Va. will be hosting the IR 50/50 10 shot Nationals.

    Any of these would be an ideal place to have the Vudoo 22S "Coming Out party.

    TKH
    Ok, just to confirm, the PSL and Indoor Nats are in GA?

    I can work out time to make it to a few of whatís on your list, letís discuss soon.

    MB

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEFTI RIMFIRE View Post
    Ok, just to confirm, the PSL and Indoor Nats are in GA?

    I can work out time to make it to a few of whatís on your list, letís discuss soon.

    MB
    Yep! Both the In-door PSL and the ARA In-door Nats are at Chickenfoot, Cedartown, Ga.

    They have been there for quite awhile now.

    They were at the Rocky River Barn in North Carolina. Really wish they would alternate years but don't see that happening.

    The indoor matches would be the best place to introduce the V22S. Outdoors adds many additional factors to the equation.

    TKH

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonykharper View Post
    Yep! Both the In-door PSL and the ARA In-door Nats are at Chickenfoot, Cedartown, Ga.

    They have been there for quite awhile now.

    They were at the Rocky River Barn in North Carolina. Really wish they would alternate years but don't see that happening.

    The indoor matches would be the best place to introduce the V22S. Outdoors adds many additional factors to the equation.

    TKH
    Gotcha, thanks Tony. I have a genuine interest in the actual events, but no interest in Chickenfoot. I'll be sure to catch up with you in other events as the season gets cranked up.

    MB

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