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    Quote Originally Posted by BillBrawand View Post
    are the fellows that are weighting getting more accurate loads than throwing how much vertical is hold or condition or to hot a load or mind or misreading or watching wrong type of flaig there is only one type of flaig that shows the true condition
    Bill Brawands comment needs repeating

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    Weighing vs throwing

    I Attended a registered match last year. Sat in the loading shed next to Gene Bukys and Mike Conry. Both were weighing charges. They told me that I needed to try it.

    I brought my Jones dropper in lieu of my charge master.
    Thinking back,I might have left something on the table by doing so.

    There is a reason why these two competitors and many others choose to weigh charges in competition. It doesn't hurt. Both are Hall Of Famers.


    Glenn

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    Didnít arguabley the best Short Range Benchrest Shooter ever state that in later years he weighed charges to the nearest .05 grn.

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    I currently have a chargemaster and have always thought about that it might be the best alternative to getting each and every charge so close that it would maybe stop that occasional unexplained flyer that pops up.
    However I am not sure weighing is all it is cracked up to be! Why since the advent of weighing versus just throwing a charge havenít world records been falling? Look at how many world records were just thrown with old powder measures, like old Lymans modified by Homer Culver. Wouldnít it stand to reason that if in short range BR that once everyone started using a chargemaster be shooting groups that are smaller consistently.
    Like Bill Brawand said itís more reading the flags, gun tune, barrel/action selection etc. that is more likely to create tiny groups and winning aggs.
    There are still a lot of shooters that have not embraced using a chargemaster and elect to keep it simple using an old school measure and they are still winning. One that comes to mind is Gary Ocock.

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    several things are in play in the big picture
    not all throwers are created equal
    not all powders throw well
    not all users throw well charge to charge
    a charge master or lite evens the playing field if you are on the wrong side of the above.

    some people just shoot better than others
    I have beaten gary in a relay, I have never beaten gary in a match.

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    Red face No bs just the facts

    Quote Originally Posted by Riverwolf1 View Post
    I currently have a chargemaster and have always thought about that it might be the best alternative to getting each and every charge so close that it would maybe stop that occasional unexplained flyer that pops up.
    However I am not sure weighing is all it is cracked up to be! Why since the advent of weighing versus just throwing a charge havenít world records been falling? Look at how many world records were just thrown with old powder measures, like old Lymans modified by Homer Culver. Wouldnít it stand to reason that if in short range BR that once everyone started using a chargemaster be shooting groups that are smaller consistently.
    Like Bill Brawand said itís more reading the flags, gun tune, barrel/action selection etc. that is more likely to create tiny groups and winning aggs.
    There are still a lot of shooters that have not embraced using a chargemaster and elect to keep it simple using an old school measure and they are still winning. One that comes to mind is Gary Ocock.
    A high end electronic scale, measuring powder to the smallest possible variation,even in a controlled environment, not a loading shed, with a middle of the road shooter with a middle of the road setup/outfit, up against a top shelf shooter that knows how to set the rifle(build) up, knows the wind flags, that knows how to tune, that knows how to throw powder and load, shooting a 2gun, 20 targets, the top shelf shooter will mop the floor with the middle of the road shooters _ss, every time. Just My Humble Opinion. I sure hope this doesn't stir any _h_t up
    Happy Thursday from corona ground zero NW Mew Mexico

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    Quote Originally Posted by pipeline60 View Post
    A high end electronic scale, measuring powder to the smallest possible variation,even in a controlled environment, not a loading shed, with a middle of the road shooter with a middle of the road setup/outfit, up against a top shelf shooter that knows how to set the rifle(build) up, knows the wind flags, that knows how to tune, that knows how to throw powder and load, shooting a 2gun, 20 targets, the top shelf shooter will mop the floor with the middle of the road shooters _ss, every time. Just My Humble Opinion. I sure hope this doesn't stir any _h_t up
    Happy Thursday from corona ground zero NW Mew Mexico
    That middle of the road stuff isnít going to win anything, period.

    I never went Tony Boyerís school, but a very good friend of mine did.

    The the first morning with his Rife, he was told by Mr Boyer that the first thing he needed to get was a Rifle capable of winning. My friend thought he had one.

    The brutal truth can be, well, brutal.

    You give the best a Benchrest Shooter in the world a .300 Rifle, and that is exactly what he will agg, or worse.

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    I'll just add to Jackies above comment. "A GOOD Benchrest shooter, knows why he/she is not winning"


    Glenn

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