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    Wonder why mrap ain't on the Practical Machinist gunsmith forum any more? Same as here, he asks for advice and then demeans the guy that gives him advice that he doesn't like.

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    Your response is what gets you every time. Dans40X has tig welded more bolt handles than any person and you put him on ignore? You deserve whatever is heaped on you.

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    "Your response is what gets you every time. Dans40X has tig welded more bolt handles than any person and you put him on ignore? You deserve whatever is heaped on you".
    Where's the LIKE button???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911Nut View Post
    I guess you can get some help on this site but geeze you sure have to put up with a lot of crap.
    I just have to save this in case you reconsider and take it down...... cuz geeze I get tired of snowflakes and their fragile egos.

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    Wow that Bolt is quite the mess and if that's what you might be wanting to fix. You might be able cut that knob off turn down the shank and single point cut the threads for an after market knob to screw back on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dans40X View Post
    Mram10,
    Solder rem 700 bolt handle after timing-

    First & foremost said handle needs to be TIMED prior to "soldering".
    Second- If you insist on "soldering" you would be better served to glue said handle,as that process requires no heat.
    Third- Prep the surfaces by removing the Cadmium Free silver braze from the bolt body & bolt handle,since mixing alloy's is not like water colors to change the color.
    Fourth-Match your flux & Cadmium Type Silver Braze Alloy,from the same manufacturer,never mix brands.
    Lastly-Brazing is the correct terminology(higher temps)


    Inspect said bolt handle for any deficiencies.
    (a gas torch will not fix the above issues)
    A specialty "V" block is you best handle fixturing device verified by the obvious.

    TIG H'sink & Purge is your best option.
    (If your rhythm suffers,Pulse is your option)

    Fixturing with a rotating piece into the aft end of said bolt body is pre-school ignorance.

    TIG-
    <150 Amp DCSP
    Start Hi Freq
    (Pulse if rhythm suffers)
    15-20 CFH Argon
    60-80 CFH Helium for increase heat/color spectrum.
    .040" tungsten
    .060" tungsten if torch manipulation is shaky/lacking
    filler material

    Get on it,Torch Manipulation,Get Off it!

    There is NOT a bolt handle in existence that was/is designed to be fusion TIG welded, no matter which You Tube video you watch.

    If carbon is raised by said TIG process,atmospheric conditions have taught you a lesson...hopefully!!

    Good Luck

    I've led the horse to water...per say!!
    Thanks for that! I think I've learned a few things (in a book-learning, not skill-developing sort of sense). Hopefully you'll entertain some dumb questions. Can you explain "Helium for increase in heat/color spectrum"? Do you mean you can see the heat affected zone better? I'll further admit my preschool ignorance by asking why the rotating fixture is amateur hour?

    I have a loooonnnnng way to go before I'd TIG anything I care about, but I'm trying to get there. Input from a pro is much appreciated!

    GsT

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    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post
    I just have to save this in case you reconsider and take it down...... cuz geeze I get tired of snowflakes and their fragile egos.
    I prefer the exchange of information about guns and gunsmithing without the nastiness and personal attacks.

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    Trust Dan as he does know his business. I've used Dan for maybe 20years and he has done many jobs for me. He is very helpful but will not put up with BS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911Nut View Post
    I prefer the exchange of information about guns and gunsmithing without the nastiness and personal attacks.
    I'm sorry, you don't know mrap.

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    GeneT,
    In lay mans terms-
    From the inception in the mid 50's
    The term Heli-Arc used helium as the inert shielding gas.
    Using helium will relate to an amperage increase(+20-+30amps) & a pinkish hue of reflected light of the arc,but requires 3X the gas volume as argon.(60-80CFH)
    Argon is the inert shielding gas used today 99% of the time due to 1/3 less gas usage & cost compared to using helium.(15-25CFH)
    The use of argon will present a blue reflected light.

    Other gases to include hydrogen are mixed for specialty welds.

    Any firearm TIG welding that I've done in the past 40years hasn't required more then 100amps DCSP.

    DCSP-Direct Current Straight Polarity is ground positive/electrode negative w/ rare earth(grey),1%,1.5%,2% Lanthanated(gold) or Thoriated(red) tungsten electrode..
    used for any steels,stainless,inconel,monel,titanium.
    DCRP-Direct Current Reverse Polarity is ground negative/electrode positive.
    used for micro/plasma operations.
    grind tungsten point to 2/3 diameter longitudinally,not like sharpening a pencil or arc wander will prevail & piss off the operator in short order.
    AC-alternating current w/continuous high frequency to stabilize the arc w/ balled pure tungsten(green).
    used for aluminum,magnesium.

    Pulse is a pre-programmed or manually adjusted/set lower to higher amperage to reduce heat input into the parent material & also works well filler welding aluminum/magnesium for white boys w/o rhythm who cant/don't dance!!

    TIG-Tungsten Inert Gas welding is not a short arc process so there is not any sparks/spatter in the process like SMAW or MIG welding.

    Any questions-post/pm/e-mail it !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dans40X View Post
    GeneT,
    In lay mans terms-
    From the inception in the mid 50's
    The term Heli-Arc used helium as the inert shielding gas.
    Using helium will relate to an amperage increase(+20-+30amps) & a pinkish hue of reflected light of the arc,but requires 3X the gas volume as argon.(60-80CFH)
    Argon is the inert shielding gas used today 99% of the time due to 1/3 less gas usage & cost compared to using helium.(15-25CFH)
    The use of argon will present a blue reflected light.

    Other gases to include hydrogen are mixed for specialty welds.

    Any firearm TIG welding that I've done in the past 40years hasn't required more then 100amps DCSP.

    DCSP-Direct Current Straight Polarity is ground positive/electrode negative w/ rare earth(grey),1%,1.5%,2% Lanthanated(gold) or Thoriated(red) tungsten electrode..
    used for any steels,stainless,inconel,monel,titanium.
    DCRP-Direct Current Reverse Polarity is ground negative/electrode positive.
    used for micro/plasma operations.
    grind tungsten point to 2/3 diameter longitudinally,not like sharpening a pencil or arc wander will prevail & piss off the operator in short order.
    AC-alternating current w/continuous high frequency to stabilize the arc w/ balled pure tungsten(green).
    used for aluminum,magnesium.

    Pulse is a pre-programmed or manually adjusted/set lower to higher amperage to reduce heat input into the parent material & also works well filler welding aluminum/magnesium for white boys w/o rhythm who cant/don't dance!!

    TIG-Tungsten Inert Gas welding is not a short arc process so there is not any sparks/spatter in the process like SMAW or MIG welding.

    Any questions-post/pm/e-mail it !!
    Professionals are pretty easy to spot.

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    Question not answered-
    Using a threaded piece to fixture/hold said part that is requiring longitudinal & radial stability is not the best option.

    Hence the reason a V block is used in the machining industry to fixture & inspections.

    I laugh every time some rookie advises someone to use one of the Brownells 90 degree bent rod w/ set screw adjustable blocks to fixture a bolt handle.

    Repeatability is not w/in a country mile,when a human hair .0035" mean dimension is my allowed tolerance.

    My fabricated 8" long V block has served me well to fixture the 10,000+ bolt handles that I've precision TIG welded since '78.

    Not 1 handle fusion TIG welded,since there is not a handle designed for that application.

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    Mram10,
    History does repeat itself,time & time again.
    As Butch eluded,you've had your panties in a knot on Machinist site & signed off.
    You've once again had those issues here on BR Central & 6mmBR/Accurate Shooter & signed off only to reappear a month or so later on both sites.

    Admitting that you've added someone to your ignore list & then quoting their words renders your words as useless as tits on a fish.


    I learned my Tool&Die,Precision S/Metal,Certified welder trades w/ 10's of thousands of dollars invested in schooling/certifications,not learned from behind the barn.

    I'll tell you anything you want to know,but not everything that I know,not arrogance,it's confidence as there is a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911Nut View Post
    I prefer the exchange of information about guns and gunsmithing without the nastiness and personal attacks.
    So don't engage...... keep your personal "geeze, I'ma pile in here too" comments inside your own head. And as far as you're concerned it'll be all about guns and gunsmithing

    The fact that you and Imram think that disagreement is "bad" and constructive criticism isn't appropriate or that someone has been "unkind" means.....well, I dunno WHAT it means...... but in MY world, I learn from others.

    If we all "agree" then why talk about it? (I know, dumb question... on most forums they ALL talk about it and compare notes because no one in the room knows the answer)

    I make it my life's business to seek out folks with ANSWERS.

    period.

    I don't care how they smell, that ain't in it....

    I simply don't understand folks like you..... that's not a judgement, I just don't understand.

    I've just learned that I WILL make you upsetted in your tummy so I have to be prepared to deal with that.

    Or just not enter conversations.

    In future I'll try stay out of conversations where you're present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dans40X View Post
    .........not arrogance,it's confidence as there is a difference.

    BOOM!!!

    Thank You Dan

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