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    Quote Originally Posted by Mram10 View Post
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    Edit, I donít read anything from al, Butch, fb or others .......

    LOL!!

    And P'losee prayed for help from God Above before sending over the articles.......

    friggin' liberals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mram10 View Post
    I havenít tried shotgun powders yet. Have you found an advantage over pistol powders?
    Shotgun and pistol powders are the same thing. Most of those powders are, or can be, used for both.

    Parshal - a rotary tumbler with stainless medium will clean the COW right out. And thanks for making me aware of the 6.5SS - I didn't even know I needed one until now!

    GsT

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    I use SS media after fireforming but I still have a couple out of a hundred with stuck COW. I inspect each one and then use the ultrasonic a couple rounds to get it loosened. It's a PITA.

    I want to try no COW. The question is do I have to keep it pointed up to fire? With COW I can point it in the tractor bucket.

    I've made three 65 SS. I like them but the performance gain over a 65 WSM isn't dramatic enough to make up for the extra brass prep. Now that I've got a lot of brass I like it more.

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    Am curious - what ever happened with hydroforming cases? (Hydraulic case forming.) A bit messy, but once the rig is complete, the amount of wear on the "barrel" is minimal "per shot". Best of all, no COW, no live primers, or powder involved with using the system.
    Last edited by Asa Yam; 01-17-2020 at 11:06 AM.

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    Hydro-forming cases

    There is a source for same
    DJ's Brass

    He will hydro-form about all calibers including 6 ppc
    also trims necks

    CLP

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    Quote Originally Posted by parshal View Post
    I use SS media after fireforming but I still have a couple out of a hundred with stuck COW. I inspect each one and then use the ultrasonic a couple rounds to get it loosened. It's a PITA.

    I want to try no COW. The question is do I have to keep it pointed up to fire? With COW I can point it in the tractor bucket.

    I've made three 65 SS. I like them but the performance gain over a 65 WSM isn't dramatic enough to make up for the extra brass prep. Now that I've got a lot of brass I like it more.
    Iím trying to avoid cow. Makes the shop smell like burnt lunch
    I can fireform so much quicker than hydroforming. I planned to build a hydroform die, but decided against when I saw how long it took. Iím sure itís great for some people though

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    IMO the biggest drawback to COW is that it's dangerous.......


    I caught one once where the powder just came too far up the neck, with a weighed load, so "I Caught It" before I fired it...... but I dang sure missed it during my inspection process.

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    Originally Posted by Mram10 View Post
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    Edit, I donít read anything from al, Butch, fb or others .....

    I don't get it how can you keep responding to something you no longer read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parshal View Post

    I want to try no COW. The question is do I have to keep it pointed up to fire?

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    I definitely point straight up, for many reasons but most because I'm lazy

    Using only powder has some drawbacks;
    #1, it uses a lot more powder
    #2, it doesn't work well for the PPC blowout. I use bullets and an old barrel. Luckily old PPC barrels and cheap bullets are available to me. I use .22 bullets
    #3, it's hard to do in the rain
    #4, it's messy when yer elbow hits the doorjamb on the way out to make thee noise.
    #5, also IMO it puts just as much wear on the barrel as firing conventionally, so if you're using your gun just fireform at the range, on a target. Always something to learn! When I fireform on target I use the lightest bullet/fastest powder load available. And of course do not vary the load!
    #6, if you do choose to fireform with powder-only in your Match rifle IT WILL MAKE BEAUCOUP HEAT!!! Let 'er cool every 10 shots and for me, I swab it out with a conventional wet cleaning at the same time.


    Also some benefits
    #1, other than using an actual bullet, it's the only way I've found to make pressures consistent. I can absolutely take fireformed cases to a match or sell them to a customer knowing his gun will shoot to my accuracy standard. My cases go in wikkid TIGHT and fall back out into my hand. They load and chamber with no perceptible 'feel' but so tightly fitted that a thread from a cleaning patch will disallow closure.

    #2, of course you can do it at home (altho making a bullet trap into the dirt in the back yard is within most folks' means)
    #3, properly blown out cases will be straighter, last longer and most importantly to me they can be trusted from the get-go, they're ready in one firing.
    #4, you don't have to clean the gun. Even though FACTUALLY cleanliness has little or no effect on pressure,
    #5, it makes longer cases.

    I make a fake "barrel" or use an old barrel but in any case I tried with no barrel and the noise was unbearable. Generally I wear a glove, hold the gun by the barrel with the muzzle a couple feet over my head..... I can't remember the last time I fired one with a stock on..... (but I do CLEARLY remember each time that trigger hooks my pantleg on the way up LOL)


    Incidentally..... It's entirely possible to ruin any case larger than 6BR in one shot using only powder. I slappp them clear out in one swell foop....Which leads me to believe that (I in particular) am fireforming with pressures in the excess of 80,000psi which, _may_ preclude me using a shottygun! Altho with inertia being what it is I dunno if it's actually relevant. Don't quote me on the pressure and most certainly the event is MUCH shorter than when pushing a projectile.


    Also incidentally..... next time you're firing powder-only, ponder all the total CRAPP you've heard about how muzzle brakes work and how "jet effect is a large part of the recoil".... and BLAHH and BLAHH and BLAHHH!!


    so there's some a' my thinks FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asa Yam View Post
    Am curious - what ever happened with hydroforming cases? (Hydraulic case forming.) A bit messy, but once the rig is complete, the amount of wear on the "barrel" is minimal "per shot". Best of all, no COW, no live primers, or powder involved with using the system.
    It's still alive and well.

    For me, the home setup included hitting with a hammer as I didn't spend the time/money to make a regulated hydraulic drive setup so results were not to my liking.

    It is my belief (and that of my wife incidentally as she grew up running industrial punch-presses ) that you get ONE chance to pop a piece of metal into perfect shape.

    this is hard to do, well

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    My 30BR fireforming barrel is a 22CF barrel.

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