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    was creighton audette a br shooter ?

    pretty simple.
    was Audette a competitive bench rest shooter ?
    ( palma and service rifle, yes ?)

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    he is one I am trying to prove wrong.
    Audette was team captain of the us palma team, built hunting
    and competition rifles but I have never seen nor heard of him in benchrest.

    if you read it, it implies that since audette was a benchrest shooter, the ladder load development
    process will not work with common rifles.
    pure bs IMHO.
    thanks


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    There is so much wrong here...... "proving" is a non-term when dealing with folks who don't question bald statements like "applying lube to bullets decreases velocity because.... friction decreased..... blahhh blahhh blahhh"

    And "accuracy testing" with Rock River AR????


    c'mon

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    just dig in those old American riflemen, precision shooting, etc
    and find me some old print.
    both of the current stories clearly show no clue to what
    Creighton O. Audette was to the shooting world.

    help

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    If you can wait for an answer....

    Quote Originally Posted by rsmithsr View Post
    was Audette a competitive bench rest shooter ?
    I know Middleton Tompkins and Creighton were friends. Seem to recall that Mid said he had fired BR matches on occasion (and won a few), not sure if Creighton did. Will try to remember to ask Mid in early February when I see him next.

    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post
    And "accuracy testing" with Rock River AR????
    Most likely, Winchester Model 70. Service Rifle in his era was either the M-1 Garand, or the M-14.
    Last edited by Asa Yam; 12-30-2019 at 09:02 PM.

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    I think that perhaps some of his writings in "Precision Shooting" might offer a clue. Myself, I have no indication that he was. I met him a time or two at turkey shoots at the Weathersfield (Vermont) Rod and Gun Club. That's what passed for shooting competitions in the vicinity of Springfield, Vermont, our mutual home town. I recall admiring a beautiful bolt action hunting rifle that he had just completed. I had never seen anything that nice. Being a machine tool town, Springfield had a lot of folks that liked to tinker with guns, but 'chuck and deer rifles were the main emphasis.

    I do have a beautiful rebarreled Mauser 98 that Mr. Audette did with a full stock and a 20 inch .30-06 barrel. He built it for Bud Singleton of Proctorsville, VT and it was stocked by Dave Farr (Farrar?) of Chester, VT. I've attached a few pictures. I bought it from the estate when Bud died.
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    thanks ..so far
    I think al was referring to the link, where a guy was pretending to use
    the aduette ladder to work up a load for an ar....probably a target rifle, not a 16" blasting toy.

    I see michelle every now and then at the range, i'll try to ask
    her to do some investigating. but ask MID when you see him

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    RRA NM ar is more than a 16" toy

    I own two RRA national match AR's and they will shoot 10 shot 100yd groups of .400. Not benchrest quality but not your average black gun either. I use them at local iron sight benchrest shoots and they have been very successful. Those .400 groups were achieved with 69 Sierra Mkgs and by adding a picatinny rail with scope to the A2 rear sight handle.

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    Iíve never met the guy but I certainly know how to perform a simple ladder test. Whatís the big deal about trying to prove someone wrong?
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    Being a Palma Team Captain is a full time-time part time job and I doubt it would leave any time for another shooting discipline during this time. Outside of doing that, being a gunsmith gives you chances at shooting all other disciplines including benchrest. Developing a ladder test doesn't sound like a benchrest thing to me, it sounds like it's more of a "finding a way to test your rifles" kind of a thing. My shooting buddy and often times roommate was a friend of Creighton and a member of the team that Creighton was captain of, in fact he still shoots Creighton's Swing Palma rifle. He says Creighton could be a real asshole, like not allowing Pete to attend an award ceremony (in which he had won a 2nd or 3rd place) that was attended by Prince Charles. Since Pete had won an award the British were very offended by this but a "team meeting" was more important to Creighton. I'll see if I can get more information from Pete ref. the benchrest. I'll see him in a couple of weeks.

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    thanks
    trying to get in touch with Mid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asa Yam View Post
    Will try to remember to ask Mid in early February when I see him next.
    Berger Southwest Nationals long range match (not a benchrest event) in Phoenix starts on Thursday, Wednesday's event is 3x 600 yard matches (mid-range), which is not part of the long range aggregate. (NRA definition of "long range" competition is any match or series of matches which only occur at distances beyond 600 yards.) Will ask Mid about Creighton and BR shooting then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clowdis View Post
    Developing a ladder test doesn't sound like a benchrest thing to me, it sounds like it's more of a "finding a way to test your rifles" kind of a thing.
    Believe one intent of the ladder test was to quantify the effect of case volume on bullet performance downrange. IIRC, the conclusion was given a case of uniform external dimensions to its kin, but weighed more, the result was the weight difference (in grains) was equal to about a 12% grain weight change in powder charge due to less internal volume. Note that brass in a lot may not have identical external dimensions, so differences in the extractor groove cut can be the cause of a weight change.

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    I talked to MID Saturday. as ASA mentioned he was at the 1000 yard range and we were at the 100/200 br range.
    his answer as to if Audette was a br shooter,
    his answer was a very clear two words...
    the first word began with a "B"
    and the second word began with a "S"
    it was not BENCHREST SHOOTER
    onwards and upwards

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