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    6BR and 80gr Berger FBs?

    So I normally shoot 105gr Berger's from my 28" 1:8 twist bbl. I decided to give myself brain cancer and try something new.

    So here's my basic question... what general speed range should I be expecting to see?

    I've read that these bullets tend to be most accurate around the 3025-3125 range (I don't have the actual values in front of me so those are approximations).

    This past weekend I loaded up a test strings to look for velocity flat spots and the speed data I got on some powders was not as I expected. I used Quickload as a max load reference and my start point was 10% reduced.

    X-Term - 30.7gr 3229 fps (3037 fps predicted)
    2520 - 32.3 gr 3261 fps (3173 fps predicted)

    I know QL isn't the end all of predictions but it's worked well for me in the past and these measured values seem extremely high.

    I guess my last question is somewhat general. Would it be a true statement to say that any given bullet has a "sweet spot" velocity window? And if that's true... how is someone supposed to come to that determination? Hopefully the answer isn't bottom to top powder range testing.

    Thanks all!

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    Smokeless powder burns more energetically under containment (unlike black powder which damps under pressure) therefore a smaller pressure vessel skews the numbers for a program like Quickload. In other words, the same amount of powder will produce more velocity in a smaller vessel than in a larger one.

    a smaller vessel combined with better design allows the 6BR to perform at a higher level than larger more conventional case designs, the designs and yields upon which QL's parameters are based.

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    That makes sense! Thank you.

    What about velocities for an 80gr bullet? Is there a sweet spot? And what would be considered too fast?

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    What shows on the target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt_jamez View Post
    That makes sense! Thank you.

    What about velocities for an 80gr bullet? Is there a sweet spot? And what would be considered too fast?
    I've shot 80s from 3200-3400fps with good results. Ime, they liked being pushed pretty hard but I know others that are shooting very well at around 3250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gammon View Post
    What shows on the target.
    I was just doing some velocity tests and wasn't shooting for groups. I thought I'd see lower velocities than I did and I am here asking to be sure I haven't wandered into dangerous waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwezell View Post
    I've shot 80s from 3200-3400fps with good results. Ime, they liked being pushed pretty hard but I know others that are shooting very well at around 3250.
    Wow... ok so I wasn't even close to the performance window. I think I need to go do some more testing... groups too!

    Thanks guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt_jamez View Post
    Wow... ok so I wasn't even close to the performance window. I think I need to go do some more testing... groups too!

    Thanks guys!
    OK-OK-OKAYYYY...... hang on there ..... this is a BENCHREST forum......... A RACING forum.....We START loading where the books leave off.

    Undersized ejector holes......
    Bushed or undersized (.062-ish) firing pins in TIGHTLY FITTED holes....
    Scrupulous tolerances thru-out, I mis-doubt Ezell's fired a factory action in lo these many years.....

    "that performance window" pretty much means a custom rifle setup which if you've got, and if you truly understand pressure signs, is still someething to be well understood

    F'rinstance, an 80gr 3400fps load worked up on a 65 degree day then left out in the sun on the shooting bench on a hot summer's day can get downright rode'o quite quicklike

    Wear your safety glasses when venturing forth onto thee mighty see of velociteee

    (which IS where the good fishing is BTW)

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    What action are you using?
    3200-3400 is plenty fast enough if your action take take it. In a weak or unsafe rifle that may not be the best speed for you and as Bill Gammon says, what does it look like on paper. A rocket is no good if it misses the mark.

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    I shoot Bartís 80 grn Dominator BTís out of my 1-12 twist 6BR, .060 throat, 26 inch long barrel.

    3350 FPS is no problem, shoots mid three groups at 200. Bat M Action.

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