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    Question Template for Front / Rear Rest Position at Various Distances

    I'd like to place a template on the bench, put my front rest into preset holes and put the back rest into preset positions based on distance. This would get my stock where it should be on the bag and I'd only need to worry about elevation of the front rest. I want this because I'm using two different rifles and the back rest needs to be re-positioned. Has anyone made something like this? I could use some ideas.

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    A string the right length would probably be the most simple approach. Or maybe a little pocket tap measure would do. I personally don't have an issue with placement sort of comes naturally after awhile but I have used a string in the past.

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    Thanks

    Thanks. I have used a tape in the past to position the front rest from the side and front but got out of the habit since my holes are pounded into most of the BR tables at our range. It's still in my range bag and I'll try using it for the rear bag distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis.J View Post
    A string the right length would probably be the most simple approach. Or maybe a little pocket tap measure would do. I personally don't have an issue with placement sort of comes naturally after awhile but I have used a string in the past.
    Tie the string to the front post. Run it back to the rear bag, off the edge of bench. Lining it up with your target.
    Oh, Ya got to hang your target first. Since this is not a real match.
    Look for a perfect "T" square left and right as you crouch and look through the groove of the rear bag.
    I read on here, that someone used a golf club. And cut the handle to get perfect fit. Not sure which club. I don't golf.

    After a while. Ya form habits......
    My habit is to look through the groove of rear bag, to the target. Works every time. Middle of ears to post to target.
    Next problem is shooting stool height. Not all benches are made the same.
    Best range is Holton Gun and Bow Club. Benches, targets, er whatever is dang near perfect. 100 to 200y is +/- .250". With a 1.00" rise on your rest.
    5 clicks up on your scope and raise the stick and you are on target. Same with wing flags....Sorta......
    All IMHO!

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    Thanks.

    I have no issues squaring the rifle to the target and have shot bench rest for about fifteen years. There are days I setup the front rest in the holes embedded from hammering in the fixed bench, put the bag where I think it's supposed to go, put the rifle on and I'm trying to find the target through the scope. Since our fixed benches have fixed seats bench height is moot. When I get it setup the 50 yard 22LR match takes place. We then switch to 100 yard CF and the rear bag needs to be moved. Some days it takes longer than I'd like to acquire the target. The tape measure suggestion would probably word from the bottom of the rear foot of the front rest to the front of the plywood plate under the bag. Once I acquire at 50 yards I'll measure. When I've done this for 100 yards I'll measure again. It should work fine. Still a template would make life easy other than it being another item to lug around in addition to the range bag, two rifles in cases, front rest (like 18 pounds), and frame. If the front rest sat in three holes in the front of the template and a piece of plywood could be moved from the 50 yard to the 100 yard position for rear bag placement it would be easy. I can visualize it but was wondering if anyone has made one. If I decide to make one I'll post a pic. I have a woodshop in the basement so it's pretty easy.

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    Most of us just use a sharpie marker to mark the bench for where the rest and bag goes. Once straight, you should only have vertical to deal with between the two guns...generally speaking. Works and a shot of brake cleaner will remove the ink if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTLongRifle View Post
    Thanks.

    I have no issues squaring the rifle to the target and have shot bench rest for about fifteen years. There are days I setup the front rest in the holes embedded from hammering in the fixed bench, put the bag where I think it's supposed to go, put the rifle on and I'm trying to find the target through the scope. Since our fixed benches have fixed seats bench height is moot. When I get it setup the 50 yard 22LR match takes place. We then switch to 100 yard CF and the rear bag needs to be moved. Some days it takes longer than I'd like to acquire the target. The tape measure suggestion would probably word from the bottom of the rear foot of the front rest to the front of the plywood plate under the bag. Once I acquire at 50 yards I'll measure. When I've done this for 100 yards I'll measure again. It should work fine. Still a template would make life easy other than it being another item to lug around in addition to the range bag, two rifles in cases, front rest (like 18 pounds), and frame. If the front rest sat in three holes in the front of the template and a piece of plywood could be moved from the 50 yard to the 100 yard position for rear bag placement it would be easy. I can visualize it but was wondering if anyone has made one. If I decide to make one I'll post a pic. I have a woodshop in the basement so it's pretty easy.
    oh, oh my apologies TT....A lot of new guys want a drawing and all parameters....
    RF to CF! Holy Cow. That would scramble my brain. Oh, and I am retired. So the new saying is "what's the hurry, WE are all retired...."

    Heck, in the winter I run a score match, go to the clubhouse for a burger. Drive north, 35 minutes(depending on the snow) to another club to shoot pin tops.....Wow! It was a spinner.
    But, I figured it out. Shoot the red dot pistol first. Slap the trigger. Then shoot the iron sights next....easy on the trigger....

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    You're all helpful and humorous.

    Our league is 50 yards, rimfire, 5 targets 5 shots each followed by 100 yards, centerfire, 5 targets 5 shots each. They record your best rim and CF of the day. This goes on once a month for 9 months. They average your 4 best days of rimfire and four best days of CF groups for rank. So far I'm under .20" for rimfire (2nd, first shoots like .04" - former Olympic alternate) and my CF scores are so-so. Since I'm not interested in reloading, have too many hobbies, I'll try Black Hills ammo next season. I find Fiocchi 320 SM is great for the 22LR but am less impressed with the Fiocchi VMAX red tip.

    I plan to retire in two years.

    We also have a BR event with iron sights. That is interesting since it's in December and is at 100 yards. I recall shooting that in a blizzard once. Most of the time it's just cold and the insulated hunting pants, I'm not a hunter, are wonderful.

    I'll consider the marker but we have ten fixed benches and there's no guarantee which I'll get though I try for 6 and 8 (wind seems more consistent).

    We are probably the largest shooting range on the East Coast. The Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore https://associatedgunclubs.org/ is an umbrella organization. There are about 26 clubs. A member may shoot with their club. If they want to shoot at anytime they need a Range Badge. Membership in a club is typically $40-$60 a year depending on the club, most require NRA membership, and the Range Badge is about $200. So for $260 you can shoot every day of the year from just after sunup to just before sundown except for New Years Day, Christmas Day, and half of Thanksgiving Day. I've been a member of Monumental Rifle and Pistol Club for a long time but am switching to Arlington Rifle and Pistol Club mostly because the BR League is moving there. The AGC has many ranges - 1) handgun range to 50 yards for about 50 shooters, 2) rifle range to 100 yards for about 100 shooters, 3) fixed bench range to 100 yards for 10 shooters, 4) high power range to 200 meters (AGC was a WWII training post) for about 10 shooters, 5) voice activated trap four of whatever they are called (mini-ranges), 6) two story archery range, 7) indoor air rifle range for about 6 shooters, 8) load range for one shooter, and 9) action pistol (they want to attract the young). We can bring guests but only one person may shoot on a single point at a time and we must be there. It's a nice place. They even run heat on some of the handgun points during the winter. We have multiple range houses, houses (bought to avoid neighbors complaining of the noise), and sheds/storage/...vehicles...

    We also have events such Wounded Warriors and Women on Target. I've run the BR for Wounded Warriors and it's a surreal experience watching guys standing around shooting the s... and one has a metal leg sticking out of his short pants, the other a metal leg sticking out of his short sleeve shirt, ... and some have had more than 100 surgeries. It's hard to describe how these young men are moving on the best they can.

    Funny Story - While running the BR for Wounded Warriors I noticed an anomaly which is normal for a mathematician. They guys wearing our clubs red hats were shooting much better than the guys wearing our clubs black hats. They'd all been given a hat. I mentioned this and the guys in the red hats starting laughing. The guys in the black hats explained they got less range time. What nobody told me was they gave Marines red caps and everyone else, mostly Army, black caps You had to be there but it was very funny.
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    TT that's great. Ya should have put this last post, in the first post.......
    I am a member at 3 clubs and shoot at 6. MI and OH....Mostly NBRSA....
    My home club is WWCCA and Monroe RPC. Both clubs support Vets....

    When you posted RETIRE. I Hope, it's not from the Shooting Sports....

    At WWCCA, we are down to 5-6 shooters for the VFS and what ever else ya got. That club has a separate "Rifle committee/thingie" er, what ever....

    IMHO and this is the opinion of several friends. "Buy the Best, Shoot the best. Then ya know, it's not the equipment. Or the wind. It's just you."
    That is the Whole point of BENCHREST SHOOTING.
    And you are not wasting money or components. I proved that this morning.
    ? So how many rounds to git on paper? 1. How many to start a group? Another 1. How many did ya shoot 22. And I changed barrels and scope was sighted for 100y and we were shooting 200y......
    It was end of season for the br shooting at MRPC. We finish the season with group shoots.....4 groups for an AGG.
    Next week we play with Real Rifles. The old girls..... M1 time.....yee haaawwwww........

    BTW I run the VFS matches at WWCCA and help run the NBRSA Tournaments......And help at all ranges to set up and tear down....
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    Good morning. The best is relative. My wife was one of the best shooters on the range and dislikes Anschutz rifles and beat an Olympian and an Olympic Alternate using her Kimber 82G which she was told "it's too heavy for you". She no longer shoots and I use that rifle on the bench. Earnest Shooting Products modified it with a butt and cheek piece. That guy is a retired industrial machinist and had 3-phase equipment put into his basement from the top as they were making the house. When the equipment was in they put the joists in for the floor. He can cut metal like it's made out of butter.

    It takes me 1 round to get on paper. The second shot is usually within a bullet width of where I believe it is going. When starting a group if I can see paper between two shots with winds under 15MPH I move on to the next target and save the ammo. If the wind is stronger I keep trying. I typically shoot 1 sighter/barrel-warmer at the beginning of each 30 minute line hot condition. When I'm done with 22LR I've fired about 30 rounds assuming I tried to put 5 into each of the 5 targets. With 223 my shooting isn't as good and I'm happy with paper between some of the shots.

    I've shot some high power matches and seen myself in the mirror afterward with a purple shoulder. Those soldiers in WWI took some brutal punishment. The WWII era rifles are better but still a bit too much for me to enjoy. I do not fire rifles that could have been used against allied soldiers in WWII by the Germans or Japanese. Some people respect this, others laugh. I have fired a Barrett 50, WWI water cooled machine gun, and a 30 cal modern machine gun that were fun. The Barrett kicked much less than expected but the blow back felt like a sci fi movie where the skin on my face is moving back. The machine guns were fixed but that club, The Thompson Club, has handheld fully auto stuff like a BAR and Thompson with a huge drum. If they happen to be there I usually go and shoot something.

    The longest I've shot is 200 meters. Since it's a former military training site the pits are setup to display the targets at 200 meters. I've gotten 22LR in the X, 10 and 9 rings at that distance but it takes some patience. If the wind is blowing it's game over. The 223 does much better at that distance.

    IMHO and this is the opinion of several friends. "Buy the Best, Shoot the best. Then ya know, it's not the equipment. Or the wind. It's just you."
    That is the Whole point of BENCHREST SHOOTING.
    And you are not wasting money or components. I proved that this morning.
    ? So how many rounds to git on paper? 1. How many to start a group? Another 1. How many did ya shoot 22. And I changed barrels and scope was sighted for 100y and we were shooting 200y......
    It was end of season for the br shooting at MRPC. We finish the season with group shoots.....4 groups for an AGG.
    Next week we play with Real Rifles. The old girls..... M1 time.....yee haaawwwww........

    BTW I run the VFS matches at WWCCA and help run the NBRSA Tournaments......And help at all ranges to set up and tear down....[/QUOTE]
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