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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Ignorance of the subject??? Have you been within 100 feet of a sporter? You know the ones , the good ones which shoot in pretty much all conditions without benefit of adjustable tuners.
    I won’t name any guys, they have asked me not too. Essentially they understand the benefit of not arguing with a brick wall.
    I can offer plenty of real world experience and more knowledge with actual gunsmiths that have built more world record guns Than you can imagine that have one thing in common, as it applies to rimfire, basically you’re full of sh.t.
    You mak make/sell tuners, although personally, I’ve never seen one at any match, nor pictures of same. Since you are, at least a part time smith, where’s those finely honed Mike E match killers?
    Several of the guys you tend to preach to know how to shoot AND tune a rifle or two
    It’s pretty simple, with this vast sum of knowledge you continue to preach about, wouldn't it seem logical You might have shown up somewhere at a sanctioned match (that anybody ever heard of ) and shown the world.

    Where’s the beef ? Mikey

    IMHO my belief/suspicion is that a lot, if not most/all of your testing has been with average barrels, not superior ones, because if you have ever had a really superior barrel you could actually be shown, those , when they get tuned, they’re tuned, now, tomorrow, next month, and three years from now. My best gun hasn’t had a click since the barrel went on.
    That brick wall is called physics Timmy. You keep wanting to talk sporters, like they prove me wrong or something. Newsflash Timmy...they don't.

    Clearly, you have no firsthand experience and just parroting what you've been told..again.

    Think what you want to think and use what you want to use, and how...but just stop with the bs, and stop arguing with physics.

    I share things that I've learned with vibration testing freely to anyone that asks. Sometimes the answer is a simple..I don't know. And often, what analysis showed is proven on target and vice versa.

    Lets get back to this notion of tuners working differently on a cf vs a rf. My tuners and work have a very good record in cf. Teach me what exactly is different and why. Please...no more of this he said, she said stuff. Either you know or you don't. And if you understand it, you can explain it so even a dummy like me can understand.


    edit...you asked a lot of questions while I was typing but I didn't see any answers from you involving science or sound reasoning even.

    You have no idea how many barrels I've tested but some are good enough to hold records and national championships, so those must've been respectable. Stop assuming that you know ANYTHING about me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwezell View Post
    That brick wall is called physics Timmy. You keep wanting to talk sporters, like they prove me wrong or something. Newsflash Timmy...they don't.

    Clearly, you have no firsthand experience and just parroting what you've been told..again.

    Think what you want to think and use what you want to use, and how...but just stop with the bs, and stop arguing with physics.

    I share things that I've learned with vibration testing freely to anyone that asks. Sometimes the answer is a simple..I don't know. And often, what analysis showed is proven on target and vice versa.

    Lets get back to this notion of tuners working differently on a cf vs a rf. My tuners and work have a very good record in cf. Teach me what exactly is different and why. Please...no more of this he said, she said stuff. Either you know or you don't. And if you understand it, you can explain it so even a dummy like me can understand.


    edit...you asked a lot of questions while I was typing but I didn't see any answers from you involving science or sound reasoning even.

    You have no idea how many barrels I've tested but some are good enough to hold records and national championships, so those must've been respectable. Stop assuming that you know ANYTHING about me!
    Mikey, I have no argument about the whole tuner deal in CF.
    We’re talking RF here And we’re not talking about the junior leagues where you hang, so as far as major sanctioning body accomplishments......that would be.....ah.....zero.
    RF crowd tends to migrate to what works, over time so let us remember, typically you enter these threads as the constant counterpoint with a heavy dose of pedantic preaching.
    It’s really rather simple, where is your RF track record, those tuners should be flying off the shelf.
    Who, where, is the top flight RF shooter using your tuners/rifles/methodology ?
    For somebody so quick to call ignorance, your awful light on results there Mikey

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Mikey, I have no argument about the whole tuner deal in CF.
    We’re talking RF here And we’re not talking about the junior leagues where you hang, so as far as major sanctioning body accomplishments......that would be.....ah.....zero.
    RF crowd tends to migrate to what works, over time so let us remember, typically you enter these threads as the constant counterpoint with a heavy dose of pedantic preaching.
    It’s really rather simple, where is your RF track record, those tuners should be flying off the shelf.
    Who, where, is the top flight RF shooter using your tuners/rifles/methodology ?
    For somebody so quick to call ignorance, your awful light on results there Mikey
    And you still have only offered anecdotal bs..no science at all. I shot ARA and PSL for a season. I learned a lot and part of what I learned is what I'm preaching. A lot of good people in the game and yes, there are several of my tuners out there..Yes, even in RF. I live in a hotbed for cf and can't afford to shoot every discipline that I'd like to, both time wise and monetarily. But I did fairly well and I had to decide to shoot one or the other...I went cf.

    I did virtually no ammo testing but tuned the rifle to whatever I bought. Yes, some was better than othrs but it was mostly all competitive, at the right tuner setting. I won several cards and finished respectfully like that. Not shabby for a one year rf shooter that knew nothing going in. The two biggest differences in the game itself, I found, are ammo inconsistency and how wind sensitive those little lead bricks are. In cf, the wind isn't as bad and the ammo is a high quality constant, that is within my control.

    That made what I learned with cf an easy carryover to rf, where using a tuner is concerned. I applied the very same scientific approach to both rf and cf tuner adjustment. Keep in mind, I had tested bbls in both with sophisticated vibration analysis equipment and was out to verify my findings against top shooters, at the highest level rf has to offer. I was satisfied with my findings and decided to stay with cf..but not because I couldn't be competitive. Quite the contrary! I learned that with practice..I could be competitive in it. My scores reflected it, by my highest placement virtually always coming on the early cards, while conditions were best. It wasn't a tune or bbl problem, because I was fortunate enough to have high cards while the conditions were more suitable to a rookie rf shooter.

    I'm done playing with you Timmy. You have had ample opportunity to say ANYTHING of value and..as I thought..you got nothing, apparently.

    The world isn't flat Timmy. Try to keep up or crawl back under you rock. I will respond again when you have something valid to post. You've shown that you either can't or won't. I'll go out on a limb here and say it's the prior.

    This has gone from a piece of wire(linked to a banned member's own website), to sporters, to the idiocy of bbls somehow knowing the cartridge primer isn't in the center, etc...but no real data.

    I read almost every tuner thread. I eat, sleep and breathe this stuff. It's easy to separate the chafe from the posters with applicable data.

    You talk a lot but say nothing. That's a shame and it holds us all back from advancing both rf and cf.

    If you keep up with my posts, you'd know that I can back up what I say or will state what is theory and what I have learned and verified. I'm very honest about tuners and I'm happy to share anything I can with anyone who wants to know the actual science behind them. They are actually very predictable and repeatable...So there must be a REAL science at play and that's all I'm interested in talking about. There is no such thing as rf voodoo, err magic. The major differences are barrel stiffness and in bore time. So yes, the less stiff rf barrels vibrate slower(lower frequency) and the bullet is in the bbl longer. There's you difference Timmy. I PROMISE YOU...It's not art nor magic.

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    Wow, how have I ever managed to win a match now and again being this dumb.
    Hope we get to shoot together sometime.

    You take care now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Wow, how have I ever managed to win a match now and again being this dumb.
    Hope we get to shoot together sometime.

    You take care now.
    Oh, we can do it on my range. Come on down Timmy.

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    the gauntlet has been thrown.

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    The match!

    Guys, if you are really going to do this thing do it on neutral ground.

    I suggest the IR 50/50 Nationals Sept. 25th 2020, at Kettlefoot Range Bristol,Va.

    This side match will add to the excitement of the overall tournament.

    TKH

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwezell View Post
    That brick wall is called physics Timmy. You keep wanting to talk sporters, like they prove me wrong or something. Newsflash Timmy...they don't.

    Clearly, you have no firsthand experience and just parroting what you've been told..again.

    Think what you want to think and use what you want to use, and how...but just stop with the bs, and stop arguing with physics.

    I share things that I've learned with vibration testing freely to anyone that asks. Sometimes the answer is a simple..I don't know. And often, what analysis showed is proven on target and vice versa.

    Lets get back to this notion of tuners working differently on a cf vs a rf. My tuners and work have a very good record in cf. Teach me what exactly is different and why. Please...no more of this he said, she said stuff. Either you know or you don't. And if you understand it, you can explain it so even a dummy like me can understand.


    edit...you asked a lot of questions while I was typing but I didn't see any answers from you involving science or sound reasoning even.

    You have no idea how many barrels I've tested but some are good enough to hold records and national championships, so those must've been respectable. Stop assuming that you know ANYTHING about me!
    i was tolled 1250 barrelhas no vibs in rimfire i just chambered 4 new barrels for unl. rimfire and turned front for m turner bill b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillBrawand View Post
    i was tolled 1250 barrelhas no vibs in rimfire i just chambered 4 new barrels for unl. rimfire and turned front for m turner bill b.
    let me know thanks 1 814 335 0450.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwezell View Post
    Oh, we can do it on my range. Come on down Timmy.
    Yeah sure Mikey.
    I was born at night.....just not last night.

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    Tell you what Mikey, we’ll shoot a 3 gun card on neutral territory, you go hit your ATM machine for , say $2000 to make it fun.
    To make it fair, you think about reasonable odds, couple point or so since, hell, I’m just a dumb parrot and all, and you’re, you know, a bonafide world record holder/multiple nation champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonykharper View Post

    I know better than to take sides so I'll leave it there.

    TKH
    LOL....Me to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Tell you what Mikey, we’ll shoot a 3 gun card on neutral territory, you go hit your ATM machine for , say $2000 to make it fun.
    To make it fair, you think about reasonable odds, couple point or so since, hell, I’m just a dumb parrot and all, and you’re, you know, a bonafide world record holder/multiple nation champion.
    UBR Nats are September 11 and 12. I'll bring cash..you do the same. Are you in or out?

    I already told you that I no longer shoot rf but you...you shoot both.

    In or out? Put up or stfu!

    It's easy to make a bet with someone who no longer shoots your game but we both shoot cf. I'm guessing you weasel out of your own bet becuse it doesn't meet your qualifications...Just a hunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mwezell View Post
    UBR Nats are September 11 and 12. I'll bring cash..you do the same. Are you in or out?

    I already told you that I no longer shoot rf but you...you shoot both.

    In or out? Put up or stfu!

    It's easy to make a bet with someone who no longer shoots your game but we both shoot cf. I'm guessing you weasel out of your own bet becuse it doesn't meet your qualifications...Just a hunch.
    This entire conversation has been about rimfire you moron.
    No wonder you’re back to trying to sell doublewides in the sticks

    Here’s a novel thought. If you no longer shoot rimfire, stay the f..k off rimfire forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    This entire conversation has been about rimfire you moron.
    No wonder you’re back to trying to sell doublewides in the sticks

    Here’s a novel thought. If you no longer shoot rimfire, stay the f..k off rimfire forums.
    I was never worried. I knew you'd back up and PM'S agreed. Again...you talk a lot!
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