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    I don't think anything distracts the great shooters. A naked lady could be dancing on top of the bench next to them & I doubt they'd notice. You've seen them, the concentration is incredible.
    If the range has a problem with their benches that any little disturbance in the bench bothers the guys or gals next to them then they need to fix the benches. Period.
    If you're disturbed by what someone else is doing to their tuner next to you then you need to work on you.
    We've all got alot invested in this & should be allowed to try & get the best results we can. Whether successful or not. Discretely of course.

    Keith

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    Keith, always nice to get that personal interpretation of the rules( as it applies to IR50 anyway), however, maybe you should read it, itís pretty clear and not very subjective.
    There are plenty of great shooters who want and expect adherence to it.
    You never shot anywhere with Billy Myers or his wife, if you were behind him carrying on a conversation, you likely wouldn't do it twice.
    Sure itís possible to discreetly move a tuner. Some guys cannot get up from their seat without sounding like theyíre moving a piano.
    What you seem to miss is that a rule like this is designed for the lowest common denominator not the highest. Thatís why itís a rule.

    Re read Kennyís post, a good approach as well as trying to stay within the rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Keith, always nice to get that personal interpretation of the rules( as it applies to IR50 anyway), however, maybe you should read it, itís pretty clear and not very subjective.
    There are plenty of great shooters who want and expect adherence to it.
    You never shot anywhere with Billy Myers or his wife, if you were behind him carrying on a conversation, you likely wouldn't do it twice.
    Sure itís possible to discreetly move a tuner. Some guys cannot get up from their seat without sounding like theyíre moving a piano.
    What you seem to miss is that a rule like this is designed for the lowest common denominator not the highest. Thatís why itís a rule.

    Re read Kennyís post, a good approach as well as trying to stay within the rule.
    Please post the rule for us to see. Does the rule forbid bending over and picking something up off of the floor also? IMO, people that never touch a tuner are under a false impression that a "tuner twister" is constantly fooling with his tuner. Some might but they are on the other end of the spectrum, in terms of how to properly use a tuner.
    IME, there are whole days that you may never move a tuner. There are also days where I might move it a couple of times.
    As with any rule, some common sense has to be used. Stating that the guy or girl next to you can't compete differently than you do is just ludicrous at best and a terrible rule at worst. Even in rf, you still have someone else's gun going off only a short distance from your face. If that's not a problem but reaching over, forward, up, down or whatever..is...then the rule sux! You can always leave it at the match director's discretion as to what is being too obnoxious or not. Just be careful how you ask for such a rule to be enforced. It could be construed as simply overhearing someone talking discretely and well behind the benches, as too much. Is that what we want?

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    IR 50 site, Rules, pg. 23, 8.7 Sportsmanship.
    And essentially as the rule has always been interpreted, if itís distracting to other shooters, they are not wrong, you are.
    Myself, I advocate a little common sense, a guy standing/sitting quietly is not an issue to me , one who does it 5-6 times a card....thatís a problem, as in most things a little common sense and , maybe, a polite query to your neighbor before hand goes a long way.
    Also, have you ever attended a match where a couple guys, not shooting that well, get up and start cranking on their tuner a few rotations one way, then the other ? You think all the twisters have a well studied scientific approach to the methodology ?
    Rules, by and large, tend to be there to address the lowest common denominator not the highest.
    Lastly, itís not MY rule it is THE rule, and frankly, it is rarely been seen as a controversial one by anybody I ever heard of.

    Just as in IBS where shooters are to remain absolutely quiet between commence fire and cease fire with nobody allowed anywhere near the line.
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    I've always figured

    anyone who is distracted by others when they are shooting isn't paying enough attention to their own windflags. Any experienced shooter who can't focus on their own space should try to train them self to be around others.

    There is room in the IBS rules to allow tuner tweaking and the replacement of a broken down rifle if that should occur. Shooters are to sit quietly after they have finished firing, the rule sez.

    Pete
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    IR 50 site, Rules, pg. 23, 8.7 Sportsmanship.
    And essentially as the rule has always been interpreted, if itís distracting to other shooters, they are not wrong, you are.
    Myself, I advocate a little common sense, a guy standing/sitting quietly is not an issue to me , one who does it 5-6 times a card....thatís a problem, as in most things a little common sense and , maybe, a polite query to your neighbor before hand goes a long way.
    Also, have you ever attended a match where a couple guys, not shooting that well, get up and start cranking on their tuner a few rotations one way, then the other ? You think all the twisters have a well studied scientific approach to the methodology ?
    Rules, by and large, tend to be there to address the lowest common denominator not the highest.
    Lastly, itís not MY rule it is THE rule, and frankly, it is rarely been seen as a controversial one by anybody I ever heard of.

    Just as in IBS where shooters are to remain absolutely quiet between commence fire and cease fire with nobody allowed anywhere near the line.
    So we agree that common sense should be applied and that I should not cry foul if I hear a noise or see something out of the corner of my eye, claiming it caused me to miss a dot. Am I understanding your position correctly or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwezell View Post
    So we agree that common sense should be applied and that I should not cry foul if I hear a noise or see something out of the corner of my eye, claiming it caused me to miss a dot. Am I understanding your position correctly or not?
    Yes, and I have never seen nor heard of any situation resembling that.
    Usually somebody is inadvertently doing something and a simple mention after a card resolves the issue......thatís it.
    These things take on a life of their own on forums, rarely seen in real world settings.
    Most matches usually have some form of ď you cannot bother fellow shootersĒ without going nuts, donít they.
    About the only time I have seen attention to the rule that was a bit much, a couple places do not allow you to leave the bench until cease fire is called which is also no huge deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Yes, and I have never seen nor heard of any situation resembling that.
    Usually somebody is inadvertently doing something and a simple mention after a card resolves the issue......thatís it.
    These things take on a life of their own on forums, rarely seen in real world settings.
    Most matches usually have some form of ď you cannot bother fellow shootersĒ without going nuts, donít they.
    That takes us back to using common sense. It seems logical that if tuners are allowed, that using them to tune would also be allowed. Just common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwezell View Post
    That takes us back to using common sense. It seems logical that if tuners are allowed, that using them to tune would also be allowed. Just common sense.
    Thatís absolutely right, just what I did.....a couple years ago.

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    some people, very few

    Quote Originally Posted by linekin View Post
    I don't think anything distracts the great shooters. A naked lady could be dancing on top of the bench next to them & I doubt they'd notice. You've seen them, the concentration is incredible.
    If the range has a problem with their benches that any little disturbance in the bench bothers the guys or gals next to them then they need to fix the benches. Period.
    If you're disturbed by what someone else is doing to their tuner next to you then you need to work on you.
    We've all got alot invested in this & should be allowed to try & get the best results we can. Whether successful or not. Discretely of course.

    Keith
    seem to try to make thing as difficult as they can for everyone else. I agree 200 percent with what you say here. Some folks need to work on themselves a lot! The rest of us grew a pair a long time ago.

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Wass View Post
    seem to try to make thing as difficult as they can for everyone else. I agree 200 percent with what you say here. Some folks need to work on themselves a lot! The rest of us grew a pair a long time ago.

    Pete
    Pete, didn't you retire from this to become a kids birthday clown or some such ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim View Post
    Pete, didn't you retire from this to become a kids birthday clown or some such ?
    Lol!!

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    Speaking of rules. Showing disrespect for another on this forum is a breach of the rules, Tim.
    I havenít seen a rule that states you canít turn the tuner during a card, match, tournament. And if you canít twist a tuner why not just abolish tuners? Fat chance of that. I guess you can just obey and see everyone else obey the rules you choose to enforce. And donít speed on your way to and from the range. Thatís a rule too. Higher up God says Thou shalt not covet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBecigneul View Post
    Speaking of rules. Showing disrespect for another on this forum is a breach of the rules, Tim.
    I havenít seen a rule that states you canít turn the tuner during a card, match, tournament. And if you canít twist a tuner why not just abolish tuners? Fat chance of that. I guess you can just obey and see everyone else obey the rules you choose to enforce. And donít speed on your way to and from the range. Thatís a rule too. Higher up God says Thou shalt not covet.
    Francis, always great to hear from the one guy thatís never shot a rimfire match in his life.
    Iím sorry, I thought I heard the birthday clown thing.....could be wrong.

    Francis, you recently switch up on a couple prescriptions ???
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    Tim, Did you know that Henry The Navigator never went to sea and yet he designed the Sixteen Point Compass Rose, plotted many ocean routes, and sent men out in search of the New World.
    The only difference in rimfire and centerfire is the noise level.
    And no Mr. Pharmacist, Iím still taking my thyroid pill. Thanks for your concern.

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