Results 1 to 4 of 4

Thread: The future of 25 M BR Shooting

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    San Antonio, TX - Flathead Lake, MT
    Posts
    212

    The future of 25 M BR Shooting

    Hello Members:

    Over the last few years we have seen a major leap in technology and precision has evolved exponentially, specially seen at longer distances...

    Many of us have shoot or shot 10 M ISSF (Pistol & Rifle) and many others have anchored to 25 BR shooting. The issue I've seen over the last 2-3 years is that more and more people are evolving into other disciplines like Silhouettes and 75 & 100 M Benchrest using the same or larger calibers than what are allowed for 25 M Benchrest and many people are just NOT interested in exclusively shooting 25 BR or are not interested in shooting this discipline at all.

    I've talked to many young and old time shooters at different events and the general consensus is that 25 M BR "per-se" is an "OLD FART" discipline soon to be extinct (Hate the Old-fart word)...Most people agree that shooting 3 targets for each class (25 M) is just TOO BORING and "Too much of the same"...Shooters (specially the younger generations) seem to like the kick they get when knocking down silhouettes, shooting against the clock while scoring high and shooting at much longer distances that are more realistic to hunting distances, or at least more challenging than 25 M...

    After the 2018 Nationals I've participated for the first time ever in many shoots and tournaments that have had these disciplines, and if you ask me they all have been so much fun and the variety has made them pretty challenging...The norm for these kinds of shoots is to shoot 25 M (3 targets) as we do for USARB, but you only shoot ONE CLASS and all classes are shot simultaneously...Then you shoot silhouettes (1/5th scale) at 40, 50, 60 & 70 yards, 100 M Benchrest (either with pre-qualifying at 75 or directly at 100 Meters) with calibers up to .30 and even .33 in some clubs, and to make things more fun, some other clubs like Quail Creek in Arizona are also including 10 M Pistol and also silhouettes shot with a pistol...

    For 25M Benchrest we generally have at least 2 guns: HV and LV and some of us shoot Open or Unlimited with our HV, but some shooters have 3 or even 4 guns for shooting all classes. The current trend in mostly all important tournaments requires a 25 M gun, a Silhouette gun that can also be your 100 M gun and optional is a pistol if you want to shoot pistol...I've seen people shooting silhouettes with their HV guns at the longer 70 yards with their .177's (Mike S. from Quail Creek shoots frequently perfect silhouette scores with his HV gun)

    To me an event where you shoot precision (3 targets) at 25 M, Silhouettes at 40, 50, 60 & 70 Yd., precision at 100 M with an optional 10 M class for pistol and even silhouettes is the epitome of airgun shooting...

    In our case, we are a small club in Mointana but ALL of us seem to have been bitten by the "Trend Bug" and are practicing and preparing guns for silhouettes, for 75 & 100 M and some of us pulled out our pistols out of the safe...In previous years we were shooting 25 M (HV & LV) at least once a week and some of us also practiced during the week...Nowadays we are all doing the same frequent shooting but mostly at 100 M, at silhouettes at the official distances and sporadic 25 Meter HV and LV.

    The purpose of my post is to find out what are you and your clubs doing in this respect and also to discuss how do you all see the future of airgun competition shooting?

    Regards for all members,

    AZ

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    PNW amongst the Redwoods
    Posts
    161
    i agree AZ the hobby seems to be heading in the direction you say
    BUT
    i am an old fart (77) and can not do some of the things these youngsters do
    i am guessing you are not that old - YET
    and i have also been wondering what we old farts will be doing in the Bench-rest future?

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    San Antonio, TX - Flathead Lake, MT
    Posts
    212

    Cool

    "i agree AZ the hobby seems to be heading in the direction you say...BUT I am an old fart (77) and can not do some of the things these youngsters do
    i am guessing you are not that old - YET


    Hi Dick:

    I am following your age steps not too far behind....

    Silhouettes, BR at 25, BR at 50 and BR at 75/100 M will make no difference to you or I shooting against the youngsters....Where these shooters have an advantage is in the Speed Shoot, but that is assuming you enter the "Amateur" (Non-Pro) class where you start with an empty magazine and at the signal you load it-fire-and stop the chrono when finished...
    BUT if you enter the PRO Class which a shooter with your pedigree must do, then you start with a fully loaded magazine and the rest (at the signal) is about how fast you can load the magazine in your gun, aim and pull the trigger...No disadvantages for us old timers...

    The one shoot where youngsters have an advantage (never shot it but saw the RMAC 2019 video) is where positions are changed from prone to bench to kneeling, etc. and you are shooting against the clock..I honestly pass on this competition, if I try changing positions that fast I will come apart before the 3rd shot and my wife will probably not assemble me back ever!

    I've been monitoring what you, Ron and others in TX are shooting at 50 M...This winter I needed to stay in AZ for some surgery and couldn't resist shooting Silhouettes and 100 M BR...I am glad I did because it was SO MUCH FUN that I ended up buying an Impact MKII that I am preparing for shooting everything most likely with the .22 barrel (FT at the EBR, 50M, Silhouettes and 75/100M)...I originally wanted a RAW LRT but after talking to Martin and discovering that I would not be getting the gun until sometime in 2020, I told him I wanted it for shooting it now and not to be part of my estate, so I looked for another good platform to start with!!...Martin is an awesome guy but he is limited to Air Force's time frame and guidelines...

    This Impact (New MKII model) is very accurate and an easy to work platform out of the box...I am testing the original FX barrels but also testing two other barrels: .22 and a .30 custom ordered to my specs and already machined and being tested...I have been shooting the .30 for like a week with good promising results, this .30 cal is just amazingly accurate and I haven't had much time spent on it...I will work on the .22 this week health and weather conditions allowing (we are getting much of the smoke from the 2 million acre fire in Alberta).

    I've never had a .30 Pellet gun before and one interesting thing I discovered is that .30 cal. JSB pellets head size the SAME very consistently....I have measured about ten 150 pellet tins (different lots) and ALL of them have head sized the same!!...So it is a matter of weighing them and shooting!

    You are going to laugh or crucify me for the sacrilege, but let me say that I noticed that at the EBR and RMAC (Big $$$ events) they DON'T use flags!!!...The reason for that is that there is no time to set them up (That is what I've been told)...So I am back to my hunting days where leaves, grass, dust, bird flight patterns, trees, etc. will be my guidelines for wind...I am using flags for my testing of course, but I am starting to practice shooting with no flags in case I can not set them up.

    Regards,

    AZ
    Last edited by AZUARO; 07-11-2019 at 02:09 AM.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    758
    Instant gratification- very addicting - nothing new , action shooting seems to be the name of the game at my local club. The old standby of absolute precision at what ever range are too ho-hum for most of the newer members which make up some 60+ % now of the 2000+ ( last count I know of ) members. personally I am limited to either off the bench or on my hind legs and my eyes change over the course of the day, What was crisp and clear at 9am is a fuzzy nightmare by 2 pm. ( Got to go see the practitioners of the black arts about that) But heck I enjoy knocking stuff down or ringing the hanging frying pan and what ever else some one comes up with as well as the next person, and I like making tiny little groups at what ever range also. ( satisfies my ego that I put everything together correctly). Chris

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •