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    Crp

    Dave, What is CRP?

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    Conservation Reserve Program..federal payments for not producing crops. Grow trees, switchgrass, ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Coots View Post
    Conservation Reserve Program..federal payments for not producing crops. Grow trees, switchgrass, ect.
    I've got a number of friends who've invested in farms and farming because they'd made too much money in construction, wanted write-offs and TO A MAN they came away shaking their heads......."You CANNOT lose money farming!!!

    "You get paid more than any real or fair market value with prices in the field sometimes higher than in the store"
    "You get paid even more if your crop fails"
    "AND.... you get paid to NOT FARM!"


    Add to this the fact that due to GMO's we now produce many times more, better, healthier crops in less space/time than ever before and it's a win/win for the farmer.

    Unless you're in cattle..... then cowfarts!........ BAN COWS!

    also in the news, fartless meat, for real....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Coots View Post
    Conservation Reserve Program..federal payments for not producing crops. Grow trees, switchgrass, ect.
    Good to hear from you Dave,

    I used a lot of acronyms when corresponding with folks who were familiar with it.If you wern't in the loop you were lost ,but I comtinued to use them out of habit.

    Later Mort 55 Chevy 327 11.87 @.......I forget.

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    Crp

    Al, what is left of the Mortenson homestead in Minnesota is covered by CRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmort View Post
    Good to hear from you Dave,

    I used a lot of acronyms when corresponding with folks who were familiar with it.If you wern't in the loop you were lost ,but I comtinued to use them out of habit.

    Later Mort 55 Chevy 327 11.87 @.......I forget.
    Ah, the good ole 327, bulletproof.

    I'll expand on Al's farmer talk on the PC tomorrow.

    Later
    Dave

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    There is a materials plant near here in Lebanon, NH which I frequently drive by. They hvae crushed rock, gravel, sand and concrete. I know it has been there for at least 60 years because when I was in elementary school, my Dad would sometimes get the company dump truck and pick me up at school. We'd drive up there and pull up under a huge hopper and get a load of crushed stone. That hopper is still there and functioning.

    The interesting part is that there is (was) something of a mountain in back of that plant. It is now more of a hill and dwindling fast. I read the local paper cover to cover every day and I've never seen a word of complaint regarding the demise of that hill. I am sure that roads and driveways for miles around owe their existence to it. That peak has been something of a navigation hazard for the airport that sits at its base, so perhaps folks are happy to see it gone.

    If it were across the river in ultra-liberal Vermont, you might get more of an outcry, but I've seen some hills disappear over there too with nary a whimper of opposition. Go figger.

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    Well

    "If it were across the river in ultra-liberal Vermont, you might get more of an outcry, but I've seen some hills disappear over there too with nary a whimper of opposition. Go figger.

    Perhaps the high level of marijuana use by all the earth muffins that have moved into vt?

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    Whining Farmers

    I had a lot of farmers that were good customers, so I didn't say much about them in the past. Now that 2/3 of my business is sold i will be saying what I think. This government wants cheap food prices as another way to keep us in control. Hungry people don't herd well. I got pretty tired of all the subsidies, crop insurance, bailouts, free updated corn dryers, ect. the farmers get. If they had a piece of equipment over 3 years old and had a couple thousand hours on it they thought the world was coming to an end. Then the grain farmers whining about how hard they work. In the summer my crushing crew usually worked at least 55 hours a week and in the winter 40 to 45 moving overburden. I have some Cat 988 end loaders that are still in good shape and have 35K hours on them after going through a certified rebuild. If I trade in a piece of rolling stock with less that 10K hours on it, it was a piece of crap. One of my portable screening plants is over 20 years old and works as good as a new one. Regular maintenance is the key. The flood of 93 came through and basically washed every pound of sand away that we had stockpiled, probably around 20K tons. Where was MY check? Just last year we were flooded out of our sand pit six times, cost me 10's of thousands. Where was MY check. All i saw for 8 years was a flood of Federal rules and regulations, inspectors, and chicken $hit fines. This problem has slowed down the last couple of years only because of our leader.

    I didn't really want the governments money, because with the check, comes control. I just wanted them to leave me alone.

    See what you started Al.......................

    Later
    Dave
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    Well said Sir David.....

    Since teenage when I'm involved in a discussion, I've been often accused of "changing the subject".....

    Which has always confused (and later concerned) me.

    People are all like "we're talking about HORSEPOWER here! Why you keep bringing up WEIGHT???"

    I think you see my point. This IS a "gun discussion".... And, yes, I'll admit to being a discussion starter because "changing the narrative" has ALWAYS been the only real effector for change.

    And I care.


    Enough to put myself on the line, every day.

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    Hey Dave

    If they are getting 10,000 hours on the equipment every three years I wouldn't complain. I would find an appropriate depreciation schedule so I could write it off. On logging equipment, I used 7-year straight line minus salvage value....only because someone smarter than me said to do it that way.

    What is your final product? Sand or gravel, not sure what you were looking for.

    If pit run wasn't available we would bring in a crusher and shoot for 3/4 inch minus surface material. Don't remember ever laying down less than 6 inches on a road as it has to last.

    I'm just curious Dave, and my questions have nothing to do with the basis for your response. If you and I share one thing, besides racing, it is mistrust or dissatisfaction with the government.

    Sounds like you are headed for retirement...all the best in that regard.

    Later

    Mort
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    Guns

    Al,


    When it comes to guns and ownership requirements/restrictions we are all on the same page. Not sure what I could add here.

    Mort

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    +100 on what Mort wrote...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmort View Post
    Hey Dave

    If they are getting 10,000 hours on the equipment every three years I wouldn't complain. I would find an appropriate depreciation schedule so I could write it off. On logging equipment, I used 7-year straight line minus salvage value....only because someone smarter than me said to do it that way.

    What is your final product? Sand or gravel, not sure what you were looking for.

    If pit run wasn't available we would bring in a crusher and shoot for 3/4 inch minus surface material. Don't remember ever laying down less than 6 inches on a road as it has to last.

    I'm just curious Dave, and my questions have nothing to do with the basis for your response. If you and I share one thing, besides racing, it is mistrust or dissatisfaction with the government.

    Sounds like you are headed for retirement...all the best in that regard.

    Later

    Mort
    I bet the farmers don't get 1,500 hours in 3 years. In your business and mine you put many more hours on than that. I also used the 7 year depreciation schedule.

    I was in the crushed limestone and sand and gravel business. Drill and blast the limestone and then process it. In the sand operation we use a hydraulic dredge and go to a depth of 45-50' to the bottom of the deposit. There isn't a large percent of gravel around here, about 7% from 3/8" to 4". I'm sure the bank run deposits you dealt with had a much larger percentage of larger material. Our material is pumped through a 10" pipe to the processing plant where it is screened, graded, and washed.

    With the employee situation the way it is today I'm glad to be done. I don't imagine you miss it either.

    Later
    Dave

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    Shooting Limestone

    Dave,

    We also had Limestone for which we always used a crusher. The off white material made for a nice road surface.

    One of the local guys was a gold miner (rock not placer) so he knew how to drill and shoot. He went by the name of Chuck. Chuck had long hair and a beard so we called him "Hippy Chuck" and he never seemed to mind.

    One day on the job he was ready to let it go and I asked him if I should leave. He said, "Hell no, just stay with me". After getting showered with debris and choking on dust, I asked him if I had ever pissed him off? He said, "Hey.... you're still here aren't you"? and started laughing.

    He could also sing and play the guitar and would sometimes play in the local bar.

    The wife and I lived in a logging town with one mill...population 2200. You pretty much knew everybody...and loved it.

    Mort
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