Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 20

Thread: Identifying Various Culver Clones

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    14

    Identifying Various Culver Clones

    I have a question for some of you grey beards. I'm trying to assemble information (at least to my own satisfaction) about the development of the Culver conversion for the Lyman 55 Measure. I would like to know what features to look for in order to distinguish between the original Culver made units and the various clones.

    In addition, I've heard it said that Homer put some of his earliest conversions into the old cast iron Ideal #5 measures as well. Has anyone here experienced this, and were any of the clones done in this way as well?

    This is not for any sales purposes nor even to do any loading these days, I just want to try and get a handle on some of the information that is floating around out there, mostly to satisfy my own curiosity. Thanks in advance for any help any of you may ba able to provide.

    Froggie

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    954
    I have a Culver, which has his name stamped on the perimeter of the end of the adjustment knob. I also have a "clone" that is made just about exactly the same, but no name stamp. I can't tell the difference in how they throw, they throw the same. Both of mine are on the Lyman 55.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    14
    Thanks, Wayne. Other than lacking the name and serial number, are the knurls and the recess behind the knurled area pretty much the same as the original? Do you know who made the clone? I'm starting pretty much from zero here and I'm beginning to think what little I've "found out" so far may be flawed. I don't suppose anybody knows of a magazine article, chapter in a book, etc that traces all or part of the history of these measures from the first Culver to the current Harrell (or any part thereof?) Inquiring minds want to know...

    Froggie

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    A pleasant place, Missouri
    Posts
    572

    Request

    For us younger shooters does any one have any pictures?
    Centerrfire

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    14
    Quote Originally Posted by Centerfire View Post
    For us younger shooters does any one have any pictures?
    Centerrfire
    My one anonymous clone currently mounted in an old Ideal #5 body, is buried in the mess in my basement and canít be accessed right now. I do have a #5 Micrometer Model (factory) for you to see. This didnít survive the transition to the #55, but may have provided some inspiration for Culver... but I really donít know that for a fact.

    Froggie
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	image.jpg 
Views:	205 
Size:	1.54 MB 
ID:	22119   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	image.jpg 
Views:	182 
Size:	1.64 MB 
ID:	22120  

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    A pleasant place, Missouri
    Posts
    572

    Ok

    Thanks
    Centerfire

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Poetry, Tex.
    Posts
    6,414
    I have a MCRW that is a very well built Culver clone.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    14
    Thanks, Butch. Any distinguishing markings? Is it stamped MCRW? What kind of knurling does it have? Somewhere in the back of my mind I have the nagging feeling that mine is MCRW as well, but it is totally unmarked except for the numbers and division lines.

    Somewhere I have a list of the clones that includes MCRW, Jones, Bruno, and perhaps one or two others. My list is also among the missing.

    I guess I'll have to spend some time digging mine out and take pics to inspire others to do the same. It seems like it will take comparable pictures of known examples so the rest of us will be able to figure who made what.

    Froggie

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    14
    Ta Dah! I found pictures I took a while ago of my Culver Clone mounted in an old #5. When I got it, it came with a #55 body that was pretty scruffy, so I felt it would look better in this #5 I had laying around. Over on the ARTCA Forum it was tentatively identified as a fairly early MCRW. I've been told that the later MCRW conversion rotors utilized stainless steel instead of brass.

    Anybody have pictures of other conversions they'd be willing to share? It would be nice to get an original Culver or two so we would have a baseline for comparison .

    Froggie
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	C-type%20M1.jpg 
Views:	146 
Size:	51.8 KB 
ID:	22125   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	C-type%20M2.jpg 
Views:	151 
Size:	36.7 KB 
ID:	22126   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	C-type%20M3.jpg 
Views:	138 
Size:	37.8 KB 
ID:	22127  

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Poetry, Tex.
    Posts
    6,414
    I'll take photos when I get back in my other shop this afternoon. It would be easier for me to email them to you. Can you PM your email address?
    My MCRW has a flat black Teflon coated finish. The drum is stainless. Though probably no better, I have an old Bruno that has a Jerry Hensler insert. I use it at the matches and the MCRW for all of my hunting rifles.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    14
    Quote Originally Posted by Butch Lambert View Post
    I'll take photos when I get back in my other shop this afternoon. It would be easier for me to email them to you. Can you PM your email address?
    My MCRW has a flat black Teflon coated finish. The drum is stainless. Though probably no better, I have an old Bruno that has a Jerry Hensler insert. I use it at the matches and the MCRW for all of my hunting rifles.
    PM inbound!

    Froggie

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    954
    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Shaw View Post
    I have a Culver, which has his name stamped on the perimeter of the end of the adjustment knob. I also have a "clone" that is made just about exactly the same, but no name stamp. I can't tell the difference in how they throw, they throw the same. Both of mine are on the Lyman 55.
    I need to edit this. My non-Culver measure does have a stamp on the knob, It's CUSTOM PRODUCTS. I will try for some pics Monday.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    14
    Thanks Wayne. Iíll be looking forward to seeing them.

    Froggie

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    ME
    Posts
    1,651

    Wayne

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Shaw View Post
    I need to edit this. My non-Culver measure does have a stamp on the knob, It's CUSTOM PRODUCTS. I will try for some pics Monday.
    isn't that neil jones? --Greg

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    954
    Could be, but nothing else is on it.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •