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Thread: 6mm PPC small base case vs normal base, measurements plz....

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    6mm PPC small base case vs normal base, measurements plz....

    Hi

    if I measure my spent case at the base, can I tell if the rifle chamber is for small case vs normal. I don't know what the numbers are..... do you know ?

    where to take that measure ? at the pressure ring ?

    thank you

    stef

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    Small Base

    Quote Originally Posted by herbeapuce View Post
    Hi

    if I measure my spent case at the base, can I tell if the rifle chamber is for small case vs normal. I don't know what the numbers are..... do you know ?

    where to take that measure ? at the pressure ring ?

    thank you

    stef
    0.200 Mark (up from base), but I am not sure what is classified as small base. If you are referring to a Redding die they aren't all the same, so you will need to try it.

    Michael

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    thanks for your help

    yes i was referring to the Redding bushing dies. They have a normal and a small base FL die.

    I measured a few fired brass and I get 0.4419 at the base.

    with this number can you tell if I should get the normal die, or the small base die.

    ( I checked and of course, the 6mm PPC is not on the saami website)

    thanks
    stef.
    Last edited by herbeapuce; 10-15-2018 at 05:21 PM.

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    Why don,t you send 3 pieces of brass to Harrell’s Precision and have the proper die made specifically for your rifle? They need brass that has been fired a minimum of 2 times. leave the primer in from the second firing and send the brass in and in less than 10-14 days you will have a die. Cost $75.00 plus shipping!
    You will receive the die with an invoice, you don’t have to send funds in advance!

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    Yap, Everyone here is telling the same thing.... send some brass to Harrell's.... Believe me, I gave it a lot of thought and I really really want to send him the brass, but the problem is it is illegal. I checked and double checked.... and it's a no no....
    I'm in Canada and if the package get intercepted by your border ... I could be in deep trouble. it's a federal offense... criminal charge and all .... say bye bye to crossing the border to play golf in the winter......

    it's just not worth it IMO..... gee it's so frustrating..

    I wanna get the right dies, but I just can't....

    that is why I'm now thinking about getting the Redding FL bushing die, and a LE Wilson seating die

    what do you think




    stef.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herbeapuce View Post
    Yap, Everyone here is telling the same thing.... send some brass to Harrell's.... Believe me, I gave it a lot of thought and I really really want to send him the brass, but the problem is it is illegal. I checked and double checked.... and it's a no no....
    I'm in Canada and if the package get intercepted by your border ... I could be in deep trouble. it's a federal offense... criminal charge and all .... say bye bye to crossing the border to play golf in the winter......

    it's just not worth it IMO..... gee it's so frustrating..

    I wanna get the right dies, but I just can't....

    that is why I'm now thinking about getting the Redding FL bushing die, and a LE Wilson seating die

    what do you think




    stef.

    Crikey! That SUCKS!!!!

    Cuz ain't NO DIE like a fitted die. Ya' GOT'S ta' have a fitted die.

    All else is just guessing.

    No matter the brand

    No matter the designation.

    If you find an off-the-shelf die that works it'll be pure-dee LUCK unless you can measure like a bugger.


    So what'cher sayin' is, our friggin American liberal tea-baggin politicos are keeping you from sending us your BRASS???

    That's just sick.

    (This from a guy who has 3 different claims going right now with TSA because I tried to take bullets on a plane last Christmas.... And I WILL DO IT AGAIN next time I fly. Cuz "all that is required that evil prevail is for good men to do nothing"....... And I carry cases. For the same reason.)

    There is another way.....

    Get'cherself some Cerrosafe from Brownell's.....https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...y-prod384.aspx

    Or if Brownell's hates Canucks too then try Amazon.....https://smile.amazon.com/Low-Melting...s%2A=0&ie=UTF8.

    Here's a vid. This guy doesn't know how to use it right and his cast sux but He's the first I clicked on and he has a nice screenshot of the Brownell's product page. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDKBrKtN1OA and his video skills far surpass my own



    Trick #1 with Cerrosafe is to cast into a warm chamber.

    #2 trick is that it's awesome to be able to take the barrel off..... consider the idea of a barrel vise and wrench please.

    Let's get'chu some dies.....

    Where are you in Canada. I got folks coming acros't from BC to Alberta on a regular basis. Folks who'd be happy to carry some cases in their cars....

    We ain't smuggling here..... this is just political BS

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    I have some Cerrosafe here somewhere in my stuff.... I will call Harrell's and see what he thinks of this..... if I remember right , one had just a few hours to get an accurate measurement with cerrosafe, then it would expand...( or shrink? )

    tonight I checked why , at thee range the other day, the bolt was very hard to close.. I used a white board black marker to paint the neck and shoulder of a couple of spent case. the problem in obvious. they all need a good push back on the shoulder.... it rubs big time.

    so I'm wondering , are my brass even good enough to send to harrell's ? or maybe that's exactly what he needs ?


    ( sorry i'm all over the place with my questions,... as you can see i'm very enthusiasm about my new toy... it's all new to me. )

    stef.
    Last edited by herbeapuce; 10-15-2018 at 09:22 PM.

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    Those cases will work just fine..... but may I suggest you write a note describing the fit?

    ((While I'm feeling I'd love to be there when Stef speaks with Lynnwood I don't feel that "concise" nor "succinct" will describe this meeting of the dialects....))

    I'm suggesting send the cases with a note or, equally good, the Cerrosafe. They know how to figger for shrinkage.

    Regarding your enthusiasm Stef..... treasure it ... too many miserable whiney people out there.

    I LOVE to see the excitement because

    it's mine too

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    You need to get in touch with David Holmes, he is a Canadian BR shooter that spends a lot of time shooting in the US. He may be able to assist you with the issue of getting the brass to Harrell’s.
    If you buy a SB redding die the potential for overworking/ work hardening the brass will more than likely lead to early failure of your brass.
    Last edited by Riverwolf1; 10-16-2018 at 01:59 AM.

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    Could you render fired cases unusable by drilling a hole in each of them, or filling them with epoxy? You might want to check on that. They should still be usable for gauging by Harrell's.

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    I asked for help on the Benchrest in Canada forum (not here) ....hopefully someone there knows of a legal solution to send my 3 brass.....

    patiently waiting....

    thanks

    stef.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herbeapuce View Post
    tonight I checked why , at thee range the other day, the bolt was very hard to close.. I used a white board black marker to paint the neck and shoulder of a couple of spent case. the problem in obvious. they all need a good push back on the shoulder.... it rubs big time. stef.
    So...how are you measuring the case head-to-shoulder dimension on a fired case, now? -Al

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Nyhus View Post
    So...how are you measuring the case head-to-shoulder dimension on a fired case, now? -Al
    I don't have the tool yet to to this. and it was not a concern to me before.... I would simply use candle smoke or a whiteboard marker, adjust the FL die down until I see marks on the shoulder; then checking if the bolt would close easier a bit, and that was it... this is how I was taught to adjust a die. (I do have a Wilson case gage for my 25-06.)

    Are you seeing something off with my comment about the case getting to long ?

    thanks
    Stef.

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    Stef, until you are able to get the shoulder back, it's hard to say what die you need.

    Harrel's dies come with a little piece that allows you to measure how far you're pushing the shoulder back....you absolutely have to know where you're at with this dimension.

    If you call Harrel's with your base dimension, I bet they can get you fixed up quickly. If in doubt, go a bit smaller on the back end.

    Hope this helps. -Al

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    If a sized empty case chambers easily your case necks are too thick for the bullet you're loading.

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