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    I think shooting group with a full blown Hunter rifle (including 6X scope) would be fun. However, I also think, I would be in the minority. Maybe this idea could be used as a money maker for the club hosting the traditional score Hunter match. Just an idea - after the Hunter match - interested participants could pay $5 and shoot one 5 shot group with their Hunter rifles. Winner takes half - club gets half.

    Stanley

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    Quote Originally Posted by coondogkid View Post
    Has anyone thought about "Hunter Group" matches ?
    Last time I did that - complete with the 6x scope - was at a Minnesota State (group) Championship - many years ago - I finished 2nd at 100, and 3rd at 200 (run & gunned) and 3rd in the Grand. The only, "holy cows", came from the scorer and the target crew: not a single, "I never believed you", from the contestants. If you don't win, it can't be any good - even if it finishes ahead of the vast majority of precision rifles, and, "can't possibly compete for anything but last."

    Way back - we held a few "club matches", where we shot for both group and score, using our Hunter Rifles - never could get anyone above the club level to consider that format. Before the move to the 6-bull (sighter, plus five reocrds), the NBRSA 300 Yd. target was a two bull deal (sighter & record) moving backer was required: tie-breaker was groups size.

    Another throw-back group experience, from the River City days, [the late] Dan Jarvis, attended one of our NBRSA registered events: group/Hunter events (group Sat. Hunter Sun.). Dan was toting a new - never fired - Larry Smart smithed 30x47 and, to fire-form, shot it, for group, Saturday. Regrettably, I talked him out of paying the entry fee, and put him down on bench ten, and just hung targets and required him to shoot during the matches . . . his .28xx was the only 100Yd. Agg, "in the twos" that day. Of course, for the record, his Agg didn't count. Another "my bad" on yours truly.

    Those were the "good 'ol dayz!" Keep 'em ON the X! RG

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    Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey!

    Glen, I too am greatly saddened by Bill Cosby's behavior. He was my favorite comedian. He was never political, totally unlike today's comics. He was also a talented actor and I admired him. Fat Albert like many 30 calibers can have a surprising amount of recoil. That heavy bullet seems to wallop you out of proportion to its weight. I agree with the people who disliked the 6 power scope. I have a hunter gun moldering in my safe; 2" wide for-end, Stohle action with magazine cut out and 6 power Weaver scope in 30 X 44. It was a nice effort to introduce people to BR shooting who owned hunting rifles but it evolved into custom actions, Jewell triggers and custom stocks. Even then they might have shot well but the 6 power rule doomed the venue.
    So you are 75! Listen Glen. You may be interested in the new medical, geriatric, genital tune up kit. It consists of a vial of testosterone, a prescription for Viagra and a little battery operated crane to, as the advertisements say, "enhance your lifestyle". Tim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Oltersdorf View Post
    Glen, I too am greatly saddened by Bill Cosby's behavior. He was my favorite comedian. He was never political, totally unlike today's comics. He was also a talented actor and I admired him. Fat Albert like many 30 calibers can have a surprising amount of recoil. That heavy bullet seems to wallop you out of proportion to its weight. I agree with the people who disliked the 6 power scope. I have a hunter gun moldering in my safe; 2" wide for-end, Stohle action with magazine cut out and 6 power Weaver scope in 30 X 44. It was a nice effort to introduce people to BR shooting who owned hunting rifles but it evolved into custom actions, Jewell triggers and custom stocks. Even then they might have shot well but the 6 power rule doomed the venue.
    So you are 75! Listen Glen. You may be interested in the new medical, geriatric, genital tune up kit. It consists of a vial of testosterone, a prescription for Viagra and a little battery operated crane to, as the advertisements say, "enhance your lifestyle". Tim

    Tim,is that tune up kit covered under Medicare? Really ,I just need a little something to keep from accidentally rolling out of Bed.


    Glenn

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    I had to look..R.G is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilbur View Post
    I had to look..R.G is correct.
    Couldn't, "take it", the last year of the 8x scope for Sporter, was 1962; '63 was the first year of what Sporter was until the recent relaxations on stock configuration, and caliber restriction. BTW, August 9-11, '63, was the fourth NBRSA LV,Sporter, HV, National Championship, conducted at the Colonel Whelen Range, near St. Louis, MO. Note: in that era, there were TWO group NATIONALS: LV, Sporter, HV, AND the BENCH-REST NATIONAL MATCHES. The stone was not fully engraved for another year, or, two.

    That same year, August 29, through Sept.1, the 10Th BENCH-REST NATIONAL MATCHES, sponsored by the Eastern Region of the NBRSA, were conducted at the Council Cup Rifle range, near Wapwallopen, PA. In that era, there were two classes: Unrestricted, and Limited. The only restriction on Limited class was that the rear rest could not be [mechanically] adjustable for windage and elevation, nor, could the front rest provide a guiding means for returning the rifle to battery. I'm tired of typing, and there ain't any Xes to be had . . . 'sides, who cares about history? RG
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.G. Robinett View Post
    Couldn't, "take it", the last year of the 8x scope for Sporter, was 1962; '63 was the first year of what Sporter was until the recent relaxations on stock configuration, and caliber restriction. BTW, August 9-11, '63, was the fourth NBRSA LV,Sporter, HV, National Championship, conducted at the Colonel Whelen Range, near St. Louis, MO. Note: in that era, there were TWO group NATIONALS: LV, Sporter, HV, AND the BENCH-REST NATIONAL MATCHES. The stone was not fully engraved for another year, or, two.

    That same year, August 29, through Sept.1, the 10Th BENCH-REST NATIONAL MATCHES, sponsored by the Eastern Region of the NBRSA, were conducted at the Council Cup Rifle range, near Wapwallopen, PA. In that era, there were two classes: Unrestricted, and Limited. The only restriction on Limited class was that the rear rest could not be [mechanically] adjustable for windage and elevation, nor, could the front rest provide a guiding means for returning the rifle to battery. I'm tired of typing, and there ain't any Xes to be had . . . 'sides, who cares about history? RG
    Ok, how about this. 1 score target, shoot five, five shot groups in 35 minutes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coondogkid View Post
    Ok, how about this. 1 score target, shoot five, five shot groups in 35 minutes?
    Why not offer it and see what your shooters think? Again, following our registered [Saturday] group/score match, we used to do similar "matches" in the afternoon - that is, we'd put up some targets at 200 Yd., and shoot for both group and score - many stayed to enjoy more shootin'.

    Prior to moving our program from River City (Mason City, IA), to Boone Valley Ike's (Webster City, IA), except at the State Championships, we shot [registered] group on Sat., then [registered] Hunter/VfS on Sun., combining the placements to determine a "TWO GUN" winner (lowest total of placement won). Though not recognized by either the IBS, or, NBRSA, that (TWO GUN) was a popular format, and proved very effective at recruiting for both disciplines. That format is offered by Mike Shoproval, at the Lincoln, NE tournaments, where attendance is growing nicely.

    Again, at the local/club level, why not offer new formats and see what flies? RG

    P.S.
    Ooops - I incorrectly (above) confused Lincoln, NE, with Council Bluffs, IA: it was there (Council Bluffs) that growth was cultivated, by Ron Miller's running of Group/Score weekends - my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coondogkid View Post
    Ok, how about this. 1 score target, shoot five, five shot groups in 35 minutes?
    Mike, you're getting back to the reason many clubs are dropping Group Matches.

    The moving backer system.
    Last edited by jackie schmidt; 10-28-2018 at 04:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie schmidt View Post
    Mike, you're getting back to the reason many clubs are dropping Group Matches.

    The moving backer system.
    I gave that some thought and you have a box with five compartments when you shoot a round for group you put the case inside the box for that group. But in reality it will be on the Honor system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coondogkid View Post
    I gave that some thought and you have a box with five compartments when you shoot a round for group you put the case inside the box for that group. But in reality it will be on the Honor system.
    The honor system ain't so bad when folks don't travel too far. Competitive shooters are basically honest folks but every now and then somebody makes a poor decision.

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