Going rate for Suhl 150-1

[Madrox]

If you've ever looked at many Suhls and I've looked at and owned a lot of them, they're a study in quality control. Basically, because I don't think they had any formal quality control or if they did it was just lip service. That's the communist system for you. No incentive.

Anyway, if you've looked at a lot of the, you can almost tell which ones will shoot without ever putting a bullet in them. Quite simply the fit of the other parts is better, meaning somebody at least took enough pride to build the thing half way correct. The most telling attribute that I've ever noticed is the loading ramp. If there's a bug space between it and the barrel, most likely it won't shoot. If it's tight and the fit is good and it appears that the fitof the bolt is good and the numbers match, it's usually a shooter. That is, of course, unless somebody else realized the same thing and shot it until the barrel wore out.

Cheap gun with great results if you watch what you're doing.

[Donws2]

So back to topic. Would 750 to 800 be a good trade value against my rifle? Is that high or Low, if so why? Donald

[Madrox]

You have one piece of very important information missing. Condition. Most 52's have some collector value. Like everything else the collector value is based on the grade (condition). Suhls on the other hand have no collector value; they're shooters. My guess is the Suhl would outshoot the 52 but if you have interest in the Suhl it must be as a shooter so you better make sure of that.

If your 52 looks really good, and I mean make a fair assessment of it, then maybe it's not a good trade. You could probably sell the 52 for more. I saw one go for about $1300 at a gun show a few weeks ago. It looked good but not new. I saw one sell for $750 at a match, it did not look new. So, for the most part $750 is close to bottom on the 52C. Last year a bunch of Suhl 150-1's sold for around $700 but they were probably the last. So, $750 is probably the bottom on them to unless they just don't shoot.

Now determine the condition of each and comparable shooting ability and you have your answer. Nobody here can make the trade for you, but plenty of people will.

[Donws2]

Thanks, I have already listed the 52C and set a price. The value therefore is known. The owner of the Suhl has not disputed the value of my rifle. What I'm trying to do is come to a fair value on his rifle. Whether I was going to trade or buy a Suhl it is only worth so much. I would just as soon sell the 52C for cash and not deal with a trade but I've not been offer cash at this time. My passing interest in a Suhl grows weaker with time and the rising cost. If I had to have a Suhl I would have already bought one. I don't want to sound overly pious but the reason I'm entertaining the thought of a trade is to help out the other person as I feel he may want the 52C more than I want the Suhl. The price point may well be too high and therefore the deal will just not happen. Donald

[Benchrester]

If the price point is too high, the fair value is not known. Your value is known. The fair value is known olny after the deal is done. Settign a price does not set fair value. A really good Suhl to a competitive shooter would be worth quite a bit. You only have to sell the 52 on looks. You have to sell the Suhl on competitive worthiness. I assume the Suhl is as original, which means a competive shooter would have to do at least $400 worth of stock work and then by a tuner. So, say $550 to make it easy. Grade 10 Suhls sold for $1350. Do a little math and a stock Suhl is worth tops $800. And that assumes it shoots cuase it ain't gonna be sold for looks.

[Donws2]

Yea, 800 was the top end on what I was thinking. That's less than the Suhl owner want's. As you say it's about performance with the Suhl and that's not known at this time. I do know the 52C is a shooter as well as a nice looking clasic 22. The one for 700 is supposed to be a good shooter and I may be better off waiting until the 52 sells for cash and then if I still have an interest in a Suhl buy one for same. Donald

[mr. nobody]

suhl's are like every factory rifle. your running the chance of getting a dud. can you shoot the suhl he has?

i'd say us rookies who purchased a suhl as a starter rifle aren't as far off as one on here thinks. are they custom rifles? nope. do they shoot? if you get one in great shape yes they do. mine outshot my messer built hall actioned rifle with a lilja 6 groove barrel and fudd tuner on it. i shot that messer rifle last year cause i paid $2375 for it. i knew the suhl outshot it hands down using a fudd topped rest and bunny ear rear bag, but i had gave so much for the messer rifle i was going to shoot it come hell or high water!!! tomc asked me what i was going to do if the suhl outshot my custom rifle i had purchased. i told him i was going to shoot the custom no matter what. he was spot on the money.

i'm not trying to say suhl's are the best rifle in the world. there are a great many custom rifles that will wax a suhl. if you get one that is right you have a suhl that will wax a great many custom rifles when it is tuned.


i might shoot my suhl next year and save the custom rifle i'm having built as my back up. testing when the custom returns from the smith will tell the story of what i use next year.

[mr. nobody]

here is 50 yard practice targets i shot with the suhl outside in the wind when it was in the factory stock that i had it glass and piller bedded in.


like somebody else said this is what beginners buy and find out they just don't shoot. i should damned well have my ass kicked up between my shoulders for changing from the factory stock to the stock i have now. i'm putting a don stith stock on it in hopes that it likes the pappas one piece rest this year.

don't buy a suhl. they just aren't a competion rifle are they?

tell you what. if my custom i'm having biult this year doesn't do this well you can bet you ass i'll be shooting the factory barreled suhl in the stith stock next year. wonder how many customs this rifle would put to same?

[Benchrester]

If those are 50 yard groups in the wind, I would say it shoots. I've seen your ARA scores (at least the ones posted here) and they don't back that up. What happened?

[Tom C.]

br you had to ask.

[Donws2]

Mr. N I'm not going to beable to shoot the rifle if I make the deal. It's in another state and all I know is what I'm told. I believe the owner when he says it's like new so that's about it. The one for 700 is a known shooter and has competed so I'm leaning toward just holding on to the 52C until I can find a buyer with cash money. Donald

[mr. nobody]

Originally Posted by Benchrester

If those are 50 yard groups in the wind, I would say it shoots. I've seen your ARA scores (at least the ones posted here) and they don't back that up. What happened?

i was shooting a hall actioned messer smithed rifle last year that i got off of don gill instead of the suhl. i very well should have been shooting the suhl and next year i will not make the same mistake twice. if the hall actioned rifle doesn't shoot better than the suhl i will be shooting the suhl next year.

i believe the biggest mistake i have ever made with a rifle was when i removed the factory stock off this suhl and replaced it with a benchrest stock. it wouldn't fit my pappas rest and free recoil. there is a issue with the forend of the stock. i'm going to put a don stith stock on it this winter. i'm hoping this will put it back to shooting in the one piece rest instead of the other rest i have to use with it now.

i shot this suhl for about 2 years before i got the hall actioned rifle. i knew the suhl out shot the custom, but shot the custom last year because i had so much money wrapped up in it. old fasshioned stupidity is all i can say. i'm having each rifle restocked and the hall action rebarreled.

next year i'll be shooting the best of the 2 rifles. it could very well be the suhl. i know it shoots and it has proven it when i was practicing last summer. heck my cousin shot it in his first match last summer and was out scoring me with it by the end of the match with it.

[beeker77]

Allan Shiesel has a small pile of them, all minus rear sights, going for under $500 each. Will these accept standard Anschütz rear sights?

[Tom C.]

i believe so and kimber 82's as well.

[katokoch]

Originally Posted by beeker77

Allan Shiesel has a small pile of them, all minus rear sights, going for under $500 each. Will these accept standard Anschütz rear sights?

I just bought one for $455. All of the rifles sold out in minutes.