What is a Remington 700 VTR ?

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zeke mccune

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Hi Gang:

While visiting mylocal gunshop last night I saw a rifle that had a tag on it that read," The most acccurate factory rifle in the World." It may have said that it was the most accurate out of the box rifle in the world. In any case, the rifle was different looking rifle. The price was $525.00

The first thing that I noticed was that the barrel was trianular shape rather than round. It also had a muzzle brake, a dull finish, and a plastic stock. It was chambered for a .308. It was alreadey sold.

Does anybody have a any expereience with this rifle?

TIA,

Zeke
 
On Remington VTR

The VTR is a sad attempt by Remington to regain some of their market share lost to Savage. Untill they get the internal finish back into their barrels like the Dupont built Remingtons used to have pre 1990, they are just trading on their reputation. I recently bought a Remington and it was an absolute shocker, accuracy was dependent on just how much fowling collected in the barrel. After one bottle of Sweets Solvent and hours spent trying to get copper fouling out of the darn thing I gave up and traded it. Lifes too short and there are plenty of decent rifles around so why worry about companies trying to penetrate the bottom end of the market. A not very impressed Murphy.:mad:
 
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The VTR is a great rifle:), I can vouch that the .223 and .308 are both shooters.:)
I own the VTR in .308 and hitting steel at 800yds with factory .308-168gr BTHP Federal ammo is like childs play. First 3 shots at 100yds out of the gun using a bipod was .760". Remember new gun clean barrel and a bipod. After that groups were as good or better. Will be shooting some reloads soon, but I expect top notch accuracy(for a factory tube) from this gun.++++++++.
A good friend has the .223 and reports similiar accuracy results.
And this thing looks really cool.
Great gun. Outstanding. Worth every penny. Fouls less than any factory gun I've ever had.
 
R. DesJardin: Be careful - VERY CAREFUL, around the Remington naysayers!
I have three friends with the new triangle shaped barrel 700 VTR's and each of them is very happy with their Rifles.
Two are in caliber 204 Ruger and the other is in caliber 223 Remington. I don't know anyone with one of these VTR's in 308 Winchester caliber as yet.
If that Rifle you saw was new it was a very good buy indeed.
If it was used but in excellent condition I would say it was still a pretty fair deal.
Was it in fact, new in its box?
I have another friend that is dealing on a Remington 700 VTR in caliber 223 Remington right now. The Rifle is at a combination pawn/gun shop here in SW Montana.
The tag price on this VTR is $680.00 - if I recall correctly. And I looked at it and another VTR in 204 Ruger there at that shop just this morning.
Man - o - fire, if you can get that Varmint Rifle new (or one that has not already sold!) for $525.00 I would say jump on it!
I have bought several (MANY!) Remington bolt action Rifles in the last 2 years and they have all shot VERY well indeed!
Just one example for NOW - I bought a Remington XR-100 in caliber 223 Remington less than 2 years ago. I mounted a Leupold 8.5x25 variable scope on it adjusted the trigger and headed for the range.
According to my loading log the average 5 shot group at 100 yards made with this Rifle including ALL load development testing comes to .378"!
This Rifle has shot every load I have tried in it to excellent results accuracy wise!
Needless to say load development was easy to do and now this new Remington is on a steady diet of Varmint Hunting.
By the way this newish, all stock, factory Rifle also has made the smallest group of any of the hundreds of factory Rifles I have shot in the past 45 years of range shooting/testing.
That best ever 5 shot group at 100 yards measures .121"!
I followed that group up with another 5 shotter that measured .326"!
I could NOT be happier with the accuracy results I am getting from all my newish Remingtons!
I just did a rapid but pretty well defined search on Gunbroker.com and the 700 VTR's that are new there, are listed for $660.00 to $699.00 it looks like.
Remington bolt action Rifles are not perfect - I am not saying that.
But they are an excellent investment, they look good and they most often shoot very well!
Best of luck if you decide to buy one.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
 
Wonder what was wrong with mine?

Recently bought a brand new Remington model 700 Police in 300 win mag, the one with 26"heavy barrel[chrome moly]. Rifle only fired 2" groups and the fouling build up after 20 rounds was beyond belief. Had a very competent gunsmith examine rifle and he said the aluminum bedding block was crooked. He skim bedded beddingblock and accuracy improved but was very patchy, sometimes putting 3 shots into 1/2" but 1.1" was the norm. Every now and then when the fouling would build up it would become incredibly accurate for about four shots then everything would go haywire. Considering that I carefully clean my rifles each time I use them and this rifle never fired more than 50 shots in a session and usually a lot less, one can understand why I am upset. I am pleased that there are still some good Remingtons out there but my experience was not positive. During my time with this rifle I tried 5 powder types burned about 400 rounds of quality projectiles and eventually conceded defeat. Good luck with your new Remington Murphy.
 
I handled a VTR and was absolutely not impressed with the feel, and did not go any further based on that. I think some probably shoot good or not.

My last Remington Factory was an XR-100 in 308. It shoots single hole groups for 50 rounds at least, when I clean it, it cleans easy.

300 rounds, now I've moved on to fitting my own barrels. I could not bring myself to rebarrel this rifle as it shoots really well for a factory gun (200 made).

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Well I'm lucky I guess because the only other factory Rem. I own is just a year or so old. It's a SS 700 SA, 24" bbl, 6.8 SPC, this gun has the HS stock and shoots great also. Maybe even better than the VTR.
RD
 
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Can anybody tell me the twist rate in the 223 barrels.Thanks Jim:confused:
 
Again I caution strongly - VERY STRONGLY - against putting to much credence into what the Remington naysayers espouse!
A person simply MUST question their motivations!
For instance I am currently shooting 41 bolt action arms made by the Remington Arms Company!
Thats a chunk!
In addition to those Rifles I have conservatively owned another 50 to 70 in my lifetime!
I have NEVER had to send one to a gunsmith for reapir or alteration and I never recall even one of them not being capable of at least GOOD accuracy!
My current Remington bolt action guns range from 17 Remington on up through 7mm Remington Magnum!
I recently purchased a Remington 700 VSF (Varmint style, Synthetic stock, Fluted barrel) in caliber 17 Remington Fireball. I mounted a Nikon 6.5x20 variable scope with fine cross hairs adjusted the trigger and headed for the range!
Factory ammunition is what I broke the barrel in with and then I did some accuracy testing of that factory ammo!
That all stock Rifle WITH factory ammo shot four groups (5 shots at 100 yards) on two different days that measured .533", .586", .579" and .541"!
To say I was happy with this Rifles performance would be an understatement!
And I was impressed with the Remington factory ammunition as well.
I shot factory ammo at Varmints to some extent also and it was quite lethal on all manner of Varmints!
THEN, I went to handloading the Rifle, and the load development was quite easy to accomplish - in fact the first loading I tried rendered 3 groupings (5 shots at 100 yards) that averaged .466".
I was so satisfied with that performance I quit load development right then and there. By the way this chosen load used the fine Berger 25 gr. MEF bullets.
For another example, but at the opposite end of the caliber spectrum, lets go to my Remington 700 Classic in caliber 7mm Remington Magnum. This is my Spring Black Bear Rifle and I use it for Elk Hunting in the fall as well.
This Rifle has a Leupold 3.5x10 variable scope on it and I shoot 160 gr. Nosler Partitions in it.
This is a Rifle that is also factory stock except for the mandatory trigger job that I did to it back when it was new in 1996.
I only shoot three shot groups with this Rifle for my sight in verifications prior to the Hunting seasons. The last 3 sight in verification groups (again these are 3 shot groups at 100 yards remember) measured .522", .541" and .510"!
One more new example of Remington accuracy before I head out to my range today.
In late February of this year I bought an XR-100 Remington in caliber 22-250 Remington. I mounted a Leupold 6.5x20 variable scope on it made up some handloads (with brand new un-fireformed brass mind you!) and headed for the range. The FIRST loading I tried with the 52 gr. Berger MEF bullets ENDED my load testing then and there!
I fired 4 groups that day with these bullets and the avergae grouping (5 shots at 100 yards) measured .506"!
New gun, new brass and an all stock brand new Remington bolt action gun!
Again, I caution you, or anyone else, to question the motives behind any and all Remington naysayers!
I am not basing my distrust of Remington naysayers JUST on my experiences alone I have a legion of friends, shooting partners, Varmint Hunting partners and Big Game Hunting partners who also rely on Remington bolt action arms a lot for their useages - I see them shoot at the range and in the field, and I hear first hand, their reports.
These first hand reports and observations hold significant sway with me right along with MY experiences.
I have NO reservations what so ever in recommending the current line of Remington bolt action arms to people who ask me about them.
Again I am not saying every Remington Rifle is perfect nor am I saying that every Remington Rifle is a match winner - I am saying (along with the detailed posts I have made) that Remington bolt action Rifles are a good investment and most often they shoot rather well also!
And if you have any question regarding investment of your factory Rifle dollars just spend some time over on Gunbroker.com and see who gets the highest percentage of invested dollars, back when they go to sell their factory Rifles!
And check and see what brand of domestic manufactured Rifles gets the most bidding activity and actually sells most often - while you are there.
The Remington naysayers almost always try to turn ANY Remington Rifle question thread into a vendetta AGAINST Remington Arms Corporation - I can't tell you why.
But I do know what usually shuts them up - just posing this simple question of them "why then, is the Remington bolt action Rifle (the 700 line) THE BEST SELLING RIFLE IN THE WORLD"?
Maybe "everyone" is fooled by the Remington advertising?
LOL!

J mckinnie: According to the 2,008 Remington catalog page 97 - the twist rate of the 700 VTR is 1 in 9" (RH).

Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
 
Any body want a Remington VTR 223 with trigger job to 2 lbs., beded with125 rounds thru it. $550 plus shipping.
 
To Varmint Guy Re Remingtns.

I have a great deal of respect for your opinions on all subjects relating to firearms and accuracy but I really did get a bad one. Rifle came in cardboard box sealed with staples so I have no reason to believe that it was not factory new, although the price was heavily discounted. Barrel was crooked in barrel channel and when I removed barreled action from stock, bedding block looked like someone had made an attempt to file it straight with a course round file on one side. Resale value of rifle was excellent and I actually traded the rifle to another gun shop for 100 dollars more than I paid for it even though it was a dud. My other Remington is an old but still incredibly accurate BDL in 223rem. so I really don't hate Remingtons but I would be less than honest if I did not relate my own experiences with a recent product. I also have a couple of other minor grivences about Remington products:-Recently I tried to buy a new 308 win. in 700BDL only to be told that they don't make BDLs any more so I asked for a CDL but they don't make a CDL in 308 only 7mm 08. The other thing that upsets me is those synthetic stocks with rubber inserts with a big gap around the the edge of the insert. Come to think about it maybe I really do have an agenda!;)
 
I agree with Murphy regarding copper deposits and accuracy of the new Remingtons. I bought a new 700V with laminated stock 2 yrs ago, and after 250 rounds it still blues patches badly, and I have tried everything to get it out. No luck yet. Its a 22-250 heavy barrel and best 5 shot groups so far are about 3/4".

But I have a question for you VTR buyers: Where ya gonna get a replacement barrel when the factory triangular shaped barrel is shot out????
 
Tenring: I bought a Remington 700 VLSS (limited edition all stainless Rifle with 26" heavy stainless barrel and a gray laminated stock) about 2 years back. I mounted a silver Leupold 6.5x20 variable scope on it then did the obligatory trigger job and headed for the range on the first dead calm day that came along.
I did the barrel break in and then started firing for group/load testing.
This Rifle virtually out of the box and with no modifications other than the trigger job made a .448" group (5 shots at 100 yards) that first day!
I just went and fetched it (along with the next Rifle I am going to comment on!) from my gun vault and checked their bores with my Siebert Bore Inspection Tool - I noticed NO copper deposits and accuracy has been VERY good from day one with both Rifles.
I am shooting the fine Speer 52 grain HP/BT/FB Varminting bullet in this Rifle and its one of my favorites for Predator Hunting. The trigger is as crisp as can be and I like the fit and feel (balance) of the whole rig.
And every where this Rifle goes it gets compliments on its looks.
I would mention the "best" group this Rifle (and I!) have made to date but I don't want to sound like I am bragging.
But for this Rifle to shoot a Varminting style bullet as well as it does sure IMPRESSES me!
Tenring, I have to inquire - what power scope do you have on your Remington?
Have you run those 250 rounds through it (in the last few years) on winded days?
Do you use wind flags?
What is the average group size with your 700V - as opposed to your best groupings of .750"?
I want to suggest you try the 52 gr. Berger bullets in your Remington, if you get the chance. This should perk up its performance some for you.
I wish it was shooting better for you right now though.
In August of 2,006 I bought a Remington 700 VLS in caliber 22-250 Remington. This is the blued model with 26" heavy barrel and laminated stock. I mounted a Leupold 6.5x20 variable scope on it - did the trigger job - and headed for the range for barrel breakin!
I live in a remote part of the world and I had to order the Redding reloading dies I wanted for this Rifle through the mail.
While I was waiting for the dies to come (and for a calm day) I high-jacked about 30 rounds of loaded ammunition from my ultra-accurate Remington 40X in 22-250.
Anyway I thought I would get the barrel breakin done and the scope aligned as I waited.
Sure enough a windless day came along and I went to my range. I got the barrel work done and cleaned the new Rifle then proceeded to "foul the barrel" with one shot then I made two groups (5 shots at 100 yards) with that Rifle.
Those two groups measured .542" and .503"!
Since then I HAVE broken the .500" group mark a couple of times with this Rifle (but not by much!).
This Rifle shoots the Varmint wonderful, 55 gr. Sierra Blitz (not the BlitzKings) very well - and is another Rifle thats easy on the eyes!
I don't agree with Murphy AND you - that newish Remingtons WILL copper foul to the point of adversely affecting accuracy - I simply HAVE way to many fine shooting Remingtons in my arsenal, to "go along with that"!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
 
It's not all bad news.

Recently I was doing some load development with my Rem 700 BDL 223Rem. and shot a 3 shot 100yd .184", am not sure yet if it was an abberation or the real thing. Was trying to find out if it would out shoot my Ruger 220 Swift and it did by about1/10". Load was Federal brass 26g of ADI 2206 53G Sierra match king Rem71/2 primer o.a.l 54.85mm. Am sorry I become tangled up in this Remington hating business but now I have said my piece I will just let it rest.:cool:
 
XR = Xcellent Rifle

I have one of the 200 made Rem XR-100's in .308 Win. Love it. :D
 
I'm not impressed with the VTR but...

I like how every thread turns into some way of bashing Remington rifles. Some of you Savage fanboys are off your rockers.
 
I hear animals just drop dead in front of a sweeping Savage. Without a shot being fired. You know, like with the knife or spear, in the movie Constantine. :)

Jeez, buy whatever and go shoot 'em. Accuracy is still more about the shooter than it is with what's in the box.

In my humble opinion.
 
friend just bought a 308 VTR...

it is very accurate inspite of the plastic stock. What is wierd is that the Triangle barrel cools faster than any barrel that I have every seen!
 
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