Redding die not seating the same

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I have my die set for seating at 2.000, but some seat there and some seat anywhere from 1.998 to 2.003 ogive to base. Don't know what's going on. Same pressure same everything. Is this acceptable variation? thanks. Same full resized brass.
 
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I strive for no more than .001" difference. As a reality check, a piece of paper measures .004". You can barely see its thickness with the naked eye. You're .002" shy to .003" over your goal. Not a very perceptible difference. A lot of times, you can get that kind of difference through the mount of pressure you apply to your finally measuring devices (bullet comparator and caliper). The copper of the bullet is soft enough so that with just a little too much pressure it's easy to pick up a few thousandths. If you're shooting those rounds in a factory chamber I wouldn't worry about it. :)
 
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to consider is the make of bullet. Are they aftermarket from one of the many providers or are they mass produced by, Hornady, Sierra, Nosler?

Calvin
 
to consider is the make of bullet. Are they aftermarket from one of the many providers or are they mass produced by, Hornady, Sierra, Nosler?

Calvin


YES.... In capitol words.......... Stem is the same..... The bullets are different @ the ogive @ the point of contact with the seating stem you are using.
Typical with mass produced bullets.

cale
 
i typically set the seating depth just shy of the OAL (ogive to base) that i'm looking for and then, if necessary, reseat. it takes alot of time, but it's worth it.
 
I recently had this problem with good bullets. I was useing a Redding competition seater. The seater stem was cracked and was giving the same kind of results as yours. Didn't catch it till after I had shot one match. It seemed to make the bullets "wander" a bit on the target. Not real bad, but I knew that the gun should do better than it was. New stem, problem solved..at least for me.---Mike Ezell
 
Mike,

I had a similar issue & Redding swapped the damaged parts quick as. However, I'm a tad disappointed that they don't explain until you screw up that their dies may not work with long bodied projectiles seated fully and compressed loads.

I noww understand the issue, that they have set up their plungers to strike way down the ogive towards the body junction & as a result they tend to flare, score the cylinder and/or crack when stressed too much, but I would have thought that a fair percentage loaders might be playing with 100% plus loading densities occasionally or other fiddles that might stress a die more than the average handloader might.

tvtv,

Any chance that you're loading with tight tolerances (load density or neck tension) that might stress the cases more than "average"?

John
 
I just ordered a Hornady single stage press. I'm also going to check the ogive of the bullets to see if they measure the same. If I'm still having problems I will call Redding. Thanks.
 
bullets

Had a similar problem turned out to be the bullets, sorted bullets by ogive to base measurement and took care of problem.
 
From the Redding FAQ

Seating Depth Variation

There are many factors that can cause bullet seating depth to vary when using our Competition Seating Die. First, make sure you're comparing bullet seating depths correctly. You cannot check bullet seating uniformity by measuring cartridge overall length off the bullet point. You must use a bullet comparator, like our Instant Indicator, to compare bullet seating depths. A comparator contacts the bullet at the bore diameter contact point. This is important, as bullets can vary slightly in overall length.

We have designed the seat stem in our Competition Seating Die to contact the bullet ogive as far down as possible. Our Competition Seating Die features a bullet guide that is only .0005-.001" larger than bullet diameter. This tight fit between the bullet guide and bullet ensures that the bullet is seated straight in the case neck. It also limits how far down the ogive the seat stem can contact the bullet. If the ogive of your bullets aren't uniform, you may notice a slight difference in seating depth. Generally, this isn't a problem as modern bullets are very uniform. In rare instances, when using inexpensive bulk bullets, you may find that the bullets were made on several different machines and then blended.

If your loading press is worn, the ram may not stop in exactly the same spot each time you raise it. Obviously, this will cause variations in bullet seating depth. Although our instructions warn against it, raise the shellholder and adjust the outer, threaded die body to make light contact with the shellholder. (Make sure you keep the contact light, so you don't damage the die.) This creates a "dead length" seating chamber that is unaffected by where the shellholder stops. The only disadvantage to using the die adjusted this way, is that it may be awkward to read the micrometer if it ends up on the back side of the die.

Inadequate or excessive neck tension can also cause bullet seating depth variations. If you're using a bushing style sizing die, make sure you've selected the correct diameter bushing to size the case necks. Our current recommendation, is to select a bushing tha t is .001" smaller than the neck diameter of your loaded cartridges. (See the bushingselection newsletter in the "Tech Line" section of our website for more information.) As cases are fired over and over, their necks become progressively harder. This can cause the necks to "spring-back" excessively when they are sized, which reduces the neck tension on the bullet. Either anneal the case necks after several firings, or discard the cases and start with new, soft ones.

Heavily compressed loads can create problems when seating bullets. Our Competition Seating Die is not a powder compression die. The excessive force required to seat a bullet on a compressed load can damage the die and may cause seating depth variations. Switching to a faster burning or ball powder may eliminate the need to excessively compress the powder charge.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to call our technical support line at 607-
753-3331.
 
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