NEW DISCOVERY FROM THE TUNNEL, Tuners, Indexing, etc.,,

Gene Beggs

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Guys, you haven't heard much from me lately for several reasons; spring break, kids and grandkids, Easter holiday etc., but the main reason I haven't said much is because I haven't had anything new to share with you. Nothing that is until now, and buddy, did I ever discover something exciting at the tunnel tonight!

Satisfied that the 220 is as perfect as it can be, I have been focusing on the 6mm Beggs cartridge during the past few days. The rifle is a sporter built on a Stiller Cobra drop port. The barrel is a Bartlein chambered in 6mm Beggs with a .269 neck and of course, one of my tuners installed.

The rifle tuned easily and predictably and acted as if it wanted to shoot. If it showed one bullet hole of verticle, a quarter turn of the tuner would eliminate it but when you tuned all the verticle out, you always had about a bullet hole of horizontal. It was just as repeatable as it could be; you could have a group with NO horizontal, but with a bullet hole of verticle or you could have a group with NO verticle and a bullet hole of horozontal. At one time, I would have considered such a barrel a prime candidate for reindexing but I discovered something tonight with my tuner that eliminates the need for that.

Tonight, I expected to be able to tune the horizontal out of the rifle with neck tension and seating depth as I had always done, but in spite of my best efforts, the rifle stubbornly refused to cooperate. Again,, it would give me either a perfectly verticle group or a perfectly horizontal group but not both at the same time. I remembered something that Bryan Armatys experienced recently with an identicle setup and thought, hmmmmmm, you don't suppose?

It is well understood that barrels vibrate in the horizontal plane as well as verticle and the horizontal amplitude is usually about one third that of the verticle. Knowing that my tuner has a one revolution range in the verticle plane, I thought, "Maybe the horizontal could be tuned out by going out one revolution and retuning the verticle in that window?" VOILA! It worked!! And this is almost exactly what Bryan Armatys experienced the other day with his rifle except he had been tuning with the tuner out toward the midddle of the threads and when he turned it in all the way to the shoulder and backed it off one revolution, the rifle started putting them in one hole! This is one of the most exciting discoveries I have made with these tuners. Now I know that horizontal as well as verticle can be tuned out with the tuner. Who would have believed it? Yep,, lots of exciting things are happening. Stay tuned. (Pun intended)

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
Hi Gene
Hope you dont forget the 30/VFS crowd,just like to know if you done anything in ways of a 30Beggs.
Remy:)
 
i too am waiting on the evaluation of a 30 beggs, i'm on hold between a 30br, a 30 ppc and now the 30 beggs.......no real rush..just waiting to see.
thanks gene, jackie and the rest of you that are willing to share.

mike in co
 
Hi Gene
Hope you dont forget the 30/VFS crowd,just like to know if you done anything in ways of a 30Beggs.
Remy:)

Sounds like a 7.62X39.......or darned close to it.

-Dave-:)
 
Sounds like a 7.62X39.......or darned close to it.

-Dave-:)

You're absolutely right Dave, the only change is the radius at the junction of the neck and shoulder to stop case growth. These reduced capacity cartridges are incredible with the right powder; they generate velocities that are all out of proportion to case capacity. An added bonus is greatly reduced recoil and muzzle blast.

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
Hey Gene....

! This is one of the most exciting discoveries I have made with these tuners.
Later,

Gene Beggs[/QUOTE]

Gene: Technically, I discovered this, and exciting is not the word for it.:p
Just messin with ya Gene. I'm tickled pink! It's kinda like when The Wizard of Oz goes from black and white to Living Color. Wow!
I can see the "gross" adjustment of the tuner being able to accomodate various bullet weights or powders, but I'll stick with what I have, at least for now. The thing flat works........so does the cartridge!:D

Now, what is your address so I can send you my first born male child?
Bryan
 
Way To Go, Bryan!

Sounds like you have arrived at a combo that is working. Stick with it; don't change nothin'.

Yesterday evening at the tunnel, Charles Huckeba was introduced to the 6mm Beggs cartridge and my new tuner design. I don't think he would mind me bragging on him, but to make a long story short, his last group measured .091 for six shots! The reason for the sixth shot was to prove that the rifle, once brought into tune with the tuner, could be taken out of tune at will and then by placing the tuner back where it was, succeeding shots would go right back into the group. The sixth shot did not even take out any paper.

Does the 6mm Beggs .269 cartridge give up anything to the 6ppc? Nope, not one bit and as an added bonus, felt recoil and muzzle blast are greatly reduced. Velocity? Whatever you want up to 3400 fps with 68 grain bullets and no signs of excessive pressure; cases go in and out of the gun like butter. It's a beautiful thing when a plan comes together.

Later,

Gene Beggs
 
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