Neck Thickness Uniformity Gage

Jim Wooten

Just Me
I have never been happy with using a tubing mike to check the uniformity of necks after turning, so I have been measuring the diameter of loaded rounds instead. With this in mind I started thinking about a different way to check uniformity that would be usable on every every piece of brass after turning without having to seat a bullet.

Having a bit of time, I decided to see what I could come up with in my shop. I used a .0001 reading Starrett dial indicator, and a stainless steel madrel that I turned and threaded on my lathe. To assure measuring the same spot on the neck I turned and fitted a naval bronze stop collar. The upright post and base are aluminum.

The problem with most indicators in this application is that they do not have enough tension to hold the neck against the mandrel and read consistently, so I modified the indicator to allow adjustment of the tension of the indicator tip on the case neck. This adds greatly to the consistency of the readings.

The result turned out even better than I hoped, and gives VERY accurate and consistent readings to a ten thousandth. It can also measure neck thickness if you zero out the dial prior to starting your readings.

Would something like this have any commercial interest to precision reloaders? I know that somewhat similar products are available, but maybe some BR shooters might like a robust and purpose specific gage that is accurate, repeatable, and would be produced by a fellow BR shooter.

I am currently looking for a source of lower cost, but still dependable, .0001 reading dial indicators that would keep the cost of the finished gage more affordable. The other thing of note is that even though the device looks very simple, it requires a lot of time to produce on my non-CNC equipment to my satisfaction.

Any comments appreciated. Please note that I am only posting to see if there is any interest in this type of gage, not trying to get around listing in the classifieds (there are none produced to sell yet, and may never be if no one is interested ;) ).

Jim

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JIm,

That is a great idea and a good job. I for one would like to see that available for the shooters. You would probably have to offer a mandrel in .224 as well as the 6 ppc and 30 caliber. My $.02 worth.
 
Are you getting the rod, mandrel, to the same size as the bullet at the pressure ring rather than the nominal diameter of the bullet shank?

Francis, best wishes for a happy and safe new year to you as well.

I actually turned the mandrel to .001 under the diameter of my neck expanding mandrel, but naturally the mandrel could be turned to whatever diameter the individual shooter preferred (sort of like a custom sizing die :D). My reasoning on this was that I wanted to be able to measure cases after neck turning rather than after firing. After measuring soma fired brass though I have found that I get extremely consistent readings there as well due to the added tension on the dial indicator probe modification that I did.

Jim
 
Is this how Pumpkin's checker works also? I have never seen one in person but I think it is similar.


Joe Hynes
 
Thanks for the replies.

Joe,

Although I have a couple of Pumpkin turners, I haven't seen one of his checkers in person. From a photo it looks to be the same principal, as are others. I am sure that if Don makes it, it is first rate. His neck turners definitely are superb! He certainly will not spend any time worrying about my device :D.



Art,

Thanks for the link. Right now the cost of the indicator is my biggest investment, but there should be less expensive .0001 indicators available that will still do a good job. That would be the biggest factor in determining a price point IF I produce any for sale.

This was just something that I was kicking around since it worked so well, and allowed measuring precisely the same spot on all the case necks. Nothing revolutionary for sure ;). It seems that there is not much interest in my "contraption", and this does not surprise me. That is the great thing about running ideas by the very knowledgeable shooters on this board, you get a good feel for what REAL SHOOTERS want, not what someone thinks they want.

Thanks guys,
Jim
 
Jim, attached is a photo of a thickness uniformity gage that a friend made for me around 1973. The spring loaded fingers keep the case neck firm against the post eliminating the need for a caliber specific post. The indicator I use is only .0005 but the graduations are so wide that you can pretty well determine tenths. It has served me well for a long time.

Off the subject, thank you and Ron Collins and a lot of other shooters that shot at Rutherfordton for answering a lot of questions and providing some good direction this past year.

Don Ross
 

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