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jaybic

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Hello,

I have another question as an offshoot from another thread. My new Savage 22-250 seems to have a barrel thats kinda rough according to the patches I ran thru it to get all the shipping/packing/storage cosmoline type stuff out of it.

Should I run Jb bore paste and bore bright thru it to try and smooth out those rough spots or just a shoot/clean/shoot/clean break-in process and let that take care of it?

Thanks again,

Jamie
 
Give it a try. Will not hurt. But JB Bore Paste will not cut steel.

I have had to hand lap a few of the Savage barrels. If you had lap you have to do it from the chamber end. If you are not familiar with the procedure you may want to check with your gunsmith.
 
Jaybic:

Lapping with steel wool or 1500 grit sandpaper followed by a bore cleaning with powder, copper, and carbon solvents has worked for me.

Cob
 
Jaybic: My close friend and local gunsmith recently purchased a savage (the $900.00+ model!) in caliber 223 Remington.
He placed a trusted Leupold 6.5x20 variable scope on it and at first was happy with the results of his carefully constructed handloads.
But every load test of new ammo gave him happy results till 10 rounds were fired then the groups always turned to horse-pucky.
He quickly resorted to his Hawkeye Borescope and his quote after scoping the barrel "it was the worst, roughest bore I had ever seen on a new Rifle"!
Instead of sending the Rifle back to the savage folks he ordered a similar contoured "Broughton" barrel.
The barrel just came into the local Riflesmiths shop and is being fitted and chambered as we converse here.
He considered firelapping the original barrel after his efforts at JB and then hand lapping the barrel with lead both failed to change the results - clean barrel - first 10 shots good - every thing after that terrible!
Anyway JB can improve the accuracy of some barrels - I know that for a fact and other barrels seem to ignore what JB is trying to get done.
I would try one regimen of JB before barrel break-in and pay close attention to accuracy results.
Then after barrel break-in and during load testing try it again if things aren't looking so good.
Best of luck with the new Rifle.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
 
VarmintGuy said:
Jaybic: My close friend and local gunsmith recently purchased a savage (the $900.00+ model!) in caliber 223 Remington.
He placed a trusted Leupold 6.5x20 variable scope on it and at first was happy with the results of his carefully constructed handloads.
But every load test of new ammo gave him happy results till 10 rounds were fired then the groups always turned to horse-pucky.
He quickly resorted to his Hawkeye Borescope and his quote after scoping the barrel "it was the worst, roughest bore I had ever seen on a new Rifle"!
Instead of sending the Rifle back to the savage folks he ordered a similar contoured "Broughton" barrel.
The barrel just came into the local Riflesmiths shop and is being fitted and chambered as we converse here.
He considered firelapping the original barrel after his efforts at JB and then hand lapping the barrel with lead both failed to change the results - clean barrel - first 10 shots good - every thing after that terrible!
Anyway JB can improve the accuracy of some barrels - I know that for a fact and other barrels seem to ignore what JB is trying to get done.
I would try one regimen of JB before barrel break-in and pay close attention to accuracy results.
Then after barrel break-in and during load testing try it again if things aren't looking so good.
Best of luck with the new Rifle.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
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No kidding, on a Savage? Most of the time you hear about poorly bored barrels, it's on those tomato stakes that Remington passes for barrels! It wasn't a year ago or so ago that some guy posted about his Remington having only a partially bored barrel.

Savages are known for shooting well, but it does seem like they copper foul for the first 100 shots or so.
 
RugerOldArmy: I actually got to use the HawkEye bore scope on this savage barrel after it was removed from the action, and it was NOT pretty.
I am guessing there were 400 rounds down the barrel.
It was just NOT perking up.
Have no idea if the savage barrel was "poorly bored" or not but it was heavily tool marked and I was unable to find smooth stretches of either lands or grooves.
I think it was poor steel to begin with but that is just a wag.
I have been getting great accuracy from all the Remington bolt guns I have purchased of late!
Some folks do denigrate Remington bolt action Rifles whenever they get the chance but the reality is I have several dozen of them and they ALL shoot very well - or better!
I have NEVER had to return a Remington Rifle for any reason - least of all poor accuracy.
I ALWAYS give examples of my contentions and those will follow with the last Remington Rifles I have had to the range:
#1: Remington 700 VLS in 204 Ruger last two groups (5 shots at 100 yards) = .480" & .398"!

#2: Remington XR-100 in 204 Ruger last seven groups (5 shots at 100 yards) = .358", .322", .402", .374", .421", .439" & .329"!

#3: Remington 700 VLSS in 223 Remington in 223 Remington last two groups (5 shots at 100 yards) = .405" & .511"!

#4: Remington XR-100 in 223 Remington last four groups (5 shots at 100 yards) = .393", .326", .121" & .486"!

#5: Remington 700 SPS-V in 223 Remington (brand new Rifle and load testing not even started - this lone groups was the last 5 rounds fired during barrel breakin and is ammunition from another 223 Remington I own) = .372"!

#6: Remington XR-100 in 22-250 Remington last 5 groups (5 shots at 100 yards) = .619", .378", .434", .397" & .606"!

#7: Remington 700 VLS in 22-250 Remington last two groups (5 shots at 100 yards) = .503" & .542"!

#8: Remington 700 VSF in 17 Remington Fireball last three groups (5 shots at 100 yards) = .673" (using up left over factory ammo), .527" (handloads) & .541" (handloads)!

I have LOTS more examples for yours or anyones perusal but this is a sampling of my most recent accuracy results.
In addition to MY results I want to relay just TWO of MANY examples of accuracy I have witnessed my close friends shoot this spring with their Remington bolt Rifles:

#1: Remington 700 SPS-V in 17 Remington Fireball one group (5 shots at 100 yards) = under 1/2" with handloads using Berger 25 grain MEF's!

#2: Remington 700 SPS-V in 17 Remington Fireball with an added Remington 700 VLS wooden stock other than that an all factory stock Rifle one group (5 shots at 100 yards) = just under .35" - I measured this fine group myself with a steel machinists rule, at the range. This group was fired with handloaded Hornady V-Max bullets.

I simply won't let you get away with insinuating that Remington bolt action Rifles are not capable of very good accuracy - I know better as I have been proving it to myself for 50 years now.

By the way, I think I can get you a VERY good deal on that low mileage savage 223 barrel if you want it?

Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
 
VarmintGuy said:
I simply won't let you get away with insinuating that Remington bolt action Rifles are not capable of very good accuracy - I know better as I have been proving it to myself for 50 years now.
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RugerOldArmy......Here we go again. Same old song......and he "simply won't let you get away with" those horrible dastardly insinuations. Ooooooohhh.....he's vewy angwy. Next you'll be challenged to prove something or other.
 
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Ackman said:
RugerOldArmy......Here we go again. Same old song......and he "simply won't let you get away with" those horrible dastardly insinuations. Ooooooohhh.....he's vewy angwy. Next you'll be challenged to prove something or other.
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Lol, all those words in that reply, made in the same fashion as his groups: With the keyboard, using creative imagination. I believe not a thing he posts. ;) My bad I couldn't resist.


VG: They're looking for you to back up your words, with $1K on the table in this thread.
 
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Ya'll keep pissin & moan'n,,,some times you get a bad one, but it happens to all brands now & then,,,,,,, I've got a couple of savage barrels that copper like hell,, BUT they shoot like a house on fire so,,, I can put up with a little copper & a little cleaning,,,,,,,,,,,,, Var guy, PM me with the deal on that Salvage barrel,,,,,,,,

the wind is my friend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

DD
 
RugerOldArmy said:
Lol, all those words in that reply, made in the same fashion as his groups: With the keyboard, using creative imagination. I believe not a thing he posts. ;) My bad I couldn't resist.


VG: They're looking for you to back up your words, with $1K on the table in this thread.
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Unbelievable isn't it? All those words. And listing all those groups for 10 guns......down to 3 decimal places. Something's seriously wrong.
 
Ackman said:
Unbelievable isn't it? All those words. And listing all those groups for 10 guns......down to 3 decimal places. Something's seriously wrong.
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67% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

ROFLMFAO
 
VG is a key board cowboy. He has been ran out of at least one other board. Anytime challenged he tries to use big words and long posts to WIN an disagreement. Presented with facts or challenged to post pics he goes away. Saying he is off hunting down bad guys. I do not even read his posts.

I had a Remington 22-250 smooth up a bunch cleaning every 5 shots with JB for about 100 rounds.
 
JB is good stuff. While it is not magic enough to clean up a Savage barrel, it can't hurt.
The very thought of fire lapping a bore makes my head hurt. :(
 
The last

savage I bought after hearing all the tales of the great accuracy was in 22-250 and It was about 1&1/2" groups and coppered bad. After about 100 rds and really long sessions of cleaning with JB and Rem. medallion and lots of copper cleaners sfter every 10-15 rounds I carried it to a gun show and give it away practically. My first 22-250 was built in a friends garage back in 1960 when they were still wildcats. My friend even ground the reamer and the barrel was a real cheapie, on a 1943 year german 98 Mauser. Not sure of the rifle Manufacturer but late war time rough. Even on the original laminate stock, almost plywood, it shot better than the Savage. I have had 4 Remingtons in between the wildcat and the Savage. All better but none all that impressive compared to my .222's and .223's, Maybe that is why I still have 6 of those. I feel that a 22-250 needs to be right around 1/2" min to use it in a dog town to get beyound the reach of a .223. The extra noise will put the closer prairiedogs down leaving you with the longer shots, so if it isn't as accurate as a .223 why keep it? Max
 
Max Shaffer said:
savage I bought after hearing all the tales of the great accuracy was in 22-250 and It was about 1&1/2" groups and coppered bad. After about 100 rds and really long sessions of cleaning with JB and Rem. medallion and lots of copper cleaners sfter every 10-15 rounds I carried it to a gun show and give it away practically. My first 22-250 was built in a friends garage back in 1960 when they were still wildcats. My friend even ground the reamer and the barrel was a real cheapie, on a 1943 year german 98 Mauser. Not sure of the rifle Manufacturer but late war time rough. Even on the original laminate stock, almost plywood, it shot better than the Savage. I have had 4 Remingtons in between the wildcat and the Savage. All better but none all that impressive compared to my .222's and .223's, Maybe that is why I still have 6 of those. I feel that a 22-250 needs to be right around 1/2" min to use it in a dog town to get beyound the reach of a .223. The extra noise will put the closer prairiedogs down leaving you with the longer shots, so if it isn't as accurate as a .223 why keep it? Max
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Max here's a counter point to your story. Told only for the sake of comparison so no offense intended.

About a year ago I decided I wanted a SAVAGE left bolt right port rifle. I also knew there was only one way to achieve it. That being with a Savage striker action in a custom inletted stock. So I bought a striker, cannabilized the action and promptly shipped it to Sharp Shooter Supply to have it timed and trued and a 12 oz trigger installed. I then dug out a laminated Richards Microfit stock that was just a blank, no inlet at all. Had my gunsmith inlet the action, install pillars, skimbed it , and install a USED Savage 22-250 barrel that had already been set back and rechambered once. In fact the only reason I even had the barrel was for the Vais muzzle break on it. I only installed it on this rifle because I didn't know for sure what caliber I really wanted to make it, and I had the barrel laying around

So here's a pretty much stock Savage 22-250 with a more than used barrel and some pretty darned good gunsmithing involved. So far I have shot only Berger 64gr flatbase bullets and have been amazed at the accuracy. I shuidder to think what it could do with any kind of custom barrel.

sometimes you just get a shytty Savage expecially in 22-250. I spent a month last summer doing a breakin and loading for my buddies 22-250 Savage sporter. I never got it under .650 in group and believe me I used a lot of JB.
The thing is it also never shot over an in, so I guess it wasn't a total bust after all.
 
ROFLMAO. "pretty much stock Savage". I guess Dale Jr drives a "stock" car. It just has a "little work" done it. :rolleyes:
 
beemanbeme said:
ROFLMAO. "pretty much stock Savage". I guess Dale Jr drives a "stock" car. It just has a "little work" done it. :rolleyes:
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"STOCK" action,"STOCK" barrel. that qualifies as pretty much stock. Definately a lot more "STOCK" than someone using just the action and calling anything "STOCK".

My point was that even with a POS 1/2 worn out "FACTORY" barrel the rifle still shoots lights out.

Personally I don't think anyone can call a rifle by its factory name if the barrel is not "stock" or "factory".
 
I really ment

to say I think the average factory .223 rifle is more accurate thean the average factory 22-250 rifle. And if one is trying to hit a 4" wide prairiedog at 400 yards, is a 3/4" Min of angle rifle at 3800fps any better than a 1/2" Min of angle rifle at 3200fps? The slower rifle requires more elevation, but that is a known factor and the extra random radii of the 3/4" gun is not. Now some custom rifles can have the extra accuracy to go with the speed. I currently own two .22BR's that will match a factory 22-250 on the speed and they are more accurate than 2 of my .223's. They are my long range guns for shots that are longer then my .223's are comfortable at. I bought used a custom .220 Swift that had been rebarrelled by another smith that I have never used. It was on a Savage 110 action but the barrel and the workmanship installing it were not that good. Now the maple stock was a thing of beauty! I never took it hunting. Now I did work up some loads on a 1995 era .220 swift on a Savage 112? single shot. It never had a magazine cutout. The trigger was atrocius. My nephew bought it new and I don't remember what the stock was made out of, but it was a 3/8" inch gun off a shaky portable bench. Alas, my nephew traded the gun off for a .270 come deer season and I knew nothing until too late. I would have bought it in a heartbeat. Max
 
Max I tend to agree with you on the inherent accuracy of the .223 vs the 22.250. The point of my whole post was I got very lucky and ended up with a 22-250 that was VERY accurate for that caliber.

If you still have the aforementioned 220 swift you might try sending it to SSS they can do wonders with Savage actions and have them install their 12 oz trigger. They also are making a MUCH lighter benchrest trigger but it may not be what you want for a PD gun. They are also making their own very nice Savage stocks now.
 
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