I need a little help................................

ultramagmed

ultramagmed

JKM
Guys,

I bought an older Remington 700 for my son, it is (was maybe) going to be his first deer hunting rifle and is chambered in .270 Win. The gun kicks a little to much for him (he is only 12 yrs. old) and I wanted to put a muzzle brake on it before we go hunting (don't want him developing a flinch). I was able to get the rear sight off with out any trouble but, I knocked the front sight out of the dove tail and there is no screw underneath nor is there a screw in the ramp anywhere. Is it soldered on or am I missing something? The barreled action is completely original although it is in a custom curly maple stock. I have other guns he can shoot, so the brake is not an issue, he just wants to shoot his gun.

Now the second part of my question, the serial number on the gun is relatively low in my experience (43004). Is there any value to this gun or is it just another Remington? Otherwise the guns' destiny is to become a 6.5x284 after our hunt is over for our winter project. Any and all opinions are welcome before I start cutting on it but, I would like to know how the front sight is attached in the end.

Thanks in Advance,
Med.
 
ultramagmed said:
Guys,

I bought an older Remington 700 for my son, it is (was maybe) going to be his first deer hunting rifle and is chambered in .270 Win. The gun kicks a little to much for him (he is only 12 yrs. old) and I wanted to put a muzzle brake on it before we go hunting (don't want him developing a flinch). I was able to get the rear sight off with out any trouble but, I knocked the front sight out of the dove tail and there is no screw underneath nor is there a screw in the ramp anywhere. Is it soldered on or am I missing something? The barreled action is completely original although it is in a custom curly maple stock. I have other guns he can shoot, so the brake is not an issue, he just wants to shoot his gun.

Now the second part of my question, the serial number on the gun is relatively low in my experience (43004). Is there any value to this gun or is it just another Remington? Otherwise the guns' destiny is to become a 6.5x284 after our hunt is over for our winter project. Any and all opinions are welcome before I start cutting on it but, I would like to know how the front sight is attached in the end.

Thanks in Advance,
Med.
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Older 700's had the front ramp silver soldered or possibly induction welded on... it has been a long time since I tried to remove one... I am working on one with a 1700 serial number right now. Unless the rifle was pristine and original just a low number doesn't add a lot of value. Original condition means a lot to collectors...
 
An inexpensive temporary answer might be the use of some of Remington's Managed Recoil ammunition. Made just for your purpose.
 
Dennis Sorensen said:
Older 700's had the front ramp silver soldered or possibly induction welded on... it has been a long time since I tried to remove one... I am working on one with a 1700 serial number right now. Unless the rifle was pristine and original just a low number doesn't add a lot of value. Original condition means a lot to collectors...
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Thanks Dennis,

I hoped I would hear from you. The rifle certainly is not in pristine condition, it is however in very good condition but not in the original stock either. I was afraid the "induction welded" term would come up. Do you think I should try to heat it up a bit to see if it is silver soldered or just leave it and move on with our build (your opinion of course)?


OldSwede,

An inexpensive temporary answer might be the use of some of Remington's Managed Recoil ammunition. Made just for your purpose.
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That would be a reasonable option but, I did say deer hunting rifle I know but, he is not old enough to hunt deer this year and a friend of ours gave him a landowner permit for elk on private property which he can hunt after his birthday. I would like to do my best to insure success to the best of my abilities since this is his first official hunt................hunting is full of disappointments though, I know that all too well. I will have to research that ammo you spoke of; I have never even heard of it since I don't fire much (any) factory ammo. I do however appreciate your help, I will certainly take it in to consideration.


Thanks Guys,
Med.
 
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ultramagmed said:
Thanks Dennis,

I hoped I would hear from you. The rifle certainly is not in pristine condition, it is however in very good condition but not in the original stock either. I was afraid the "induction welded" term would come up. Do you think I should try to heat it up a bit to see if it is silver soldered or just leave it and move on with our build (your opinion of course)?


OldSwede,



That would be a reasonable option but, I did say deer hunting rifle I know but, he is not old enough to hunt deer this year and a friend of ours gave him a landowner permit for elk on private property which he can hunt after his birthday. I would like to do my best to insure success to the best of my abilities since this is his first official hunt................hunting is full of disappointments though, I know that all too well. I will have to research that ammo you spoke of; I have never even heard of it since I don't fire much (any) factory ammo. I do however appreciate your help, I will certainly take it in to consideration.


Thanks Guys,
Med.
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You can saw the sight off close to the barrel... make sure you stay above the barrel... and then file it down to the barrel maintaining the contour...

Really lightly loaded 270 ammo with 100 - 110 grain bullets don't recoil that much...
 
If the rifle has a plastic or aluminum butt plate, you might try putting a decelerator pad on it. You'll be surprised how much tamer the rifle will be with a good recoil pad. I rebarreled a Remington in a .270 that had the plastic buttplate that the BDL's had back in the 70's. I shot it before and after installing a 1" decelerator pad. The difference was amazing.
 
Ditto the Decelerator.........................

make sure you keep the piece of wood you take off, so you can put it back on later. I would probably grind that front sight down (keeping it cool) to about 50 thou, then, since you'll chuck it up to put the brake on, why not turn it off the rest of the way??
 
I have an answer that will work without removing your front sight. Have the barrel Mag-na-Ported. I checked with them and they work around the front sight. I had to work a little to find their phone number, because their web site is down. The number is (586) 469-6727. If you are not familiar with their products, they use the EDM process to cut ports in the barrel near the muzzle. Because of the nature of the process, there is no burr.

Years ago, I recommended a couple of friends have their rifles done, and they were pleased with the reduction in recoil, and there was no loss of accuracy.
 
The thing I don't like about Magna-Porting is when you clean your rifle it is difficult to get all the gunk out of the port and it will seep back into the barrel. Dust and debris will also enter the barrel through the port. When fired this can damage/wear the bore. I have seen many bores with damage from the port outwards. This affects accuracy eventually. I recommend taping over the port after a thorough cleaning. The tape will harmlessly blow away on the first shot. After cleaning I always tape the muzzles of my rifles as well. It is surprising how much dust enters the bore from a rifle going in and out of a soft case and acting as an abrasive when fired.
 
I think that you accomplish nothing with a brake. He will develop a flinch from the loud report of the rifle. I would rebarrel or sell it and buy another.
Butch
 
I would not put a brake on a rifle for a young person; unless I wanted them deaf at a very young age.

A 6.5x55 loaded with a 100 grain bullet has very little recoil and will kill the heck out of deer. I just harvested 3 antelope with mine and it worked great! The 260 is just as good.

BTW foam ear plugs and ear muffs on top, really helps notice recoil.

Don't forget eye protection.

I agree the 270 has much to much recoil for the 12 year old.

Did I tell you I harvested two antelope at 200 yards last year with a 243; shooting 85 grain TTSX. Really sweet rig.
 
Ditto on the brake with a young hunter. He fires that rifle once without proper hearing protection he is liable to want nothing to do with a rifle for a long time. Even worse is the damage done to his hearing.

IMO, reduced factory loads or maybe you know somebody that could work up a mild load for your son.

Whatever you choose, good luck on the hunt to you both.
 
Thank You all,

I appreciate all your suggestions, I have scrapped the brake idea. We will try the recoil pad for this year and go forward with our build this winter.

Thanks again for all your help,
Med.
 
Video games~~! Moderate volume, nice and warm in the house during the winter and simulate any game animal he desires!!
No flinch and the simulated rifles have no kick! joe
 
Your youngsters should not be shooting without ear/eye protection... regardless of a brake or not...
 
I do make him wear ear and eye protection, that is why I had the brake idea. I do however know brakes are extremely loud since I have several on other guns that he shoots now, although in a more controlled environment. We're going to see what the recoil pad does for now and continue transforming the gun into a 6.5-284 through the winter. If it still boots him too hard, I have a .243 he can shoot that I think will do the trick (shot placement, right?).

Med.
 
ultramagmed said:
I do make him wear ear and eye protection, that is why I had the brake idea. I do however know brakes are extremely loud since I have several on other guns that he shoots now, although in a more controlled environment. We're going to see what the recoil pad does for now and continue transforming the gun into a 6.5-284 through the winter. If it still boots him too hard, I have a .243 he can shoot that I think will do the trick (shot placement, right?).

Med.
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Being an NRA certified instructor, I make all young folks wear plugs AND muffs. It doesn't seem to be the kick that bothers them its the boom! Anyway young ears are more subject to hearing loss, long term and short term, than us older folks. Hellsbells we can't hear or see anyway.

Now, about their boom boxes, they should be used to that racket shouldn't they??
 
A quality butt pad, a recoil reducer and some loads with 110grTTSX would make a 270win super sweet for a younger shooter, I just did the same thing for my friends wife 270 win and it completely changed how the rifle feels for her.
 
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