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Al Nyhus

"It'll never work!"
In light of recent events, here's something to consider:

In the United States in 2011, there were over 53,000 deaths as a direct result of second hand exposure to cigarette smoke.

In the United States in 2011, there were 9,369 murders committed with firearms.

Points to ponder and dots to connect........ -Al
 
Quentin Tarantino was on Jay Leno last evening, Dec. 18, and was ask about the gun violence recently. I can not quote him, but to his comment was that "we need to look at the mental side of it". He did not jump on the "blame the gun" bandwagon.
I have always liked his movies and this makes me admire his intelligence.
 
Not diminishing the tragedy at all, but this whole gun control thing is a distraction from the real issues of Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the fiscal cliff, etc. The media doesn't want to cover the hard stuff, this is easy pickings.
 
Al Nyhus said:
In light of recent events, here's something to consider:

In the United States in 2011, there were over 53,000 deaths as a direct result of second hand exposure to cigarette smoke.

In the United States in 2011, there were 9,369 murders committed with firearms.

Points to ponder and dots to connect........ -Al
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Al, we're on the same side on this, but I'd argue that there has never been a certificate of death that listed shs as the cause of death and that the result of a gunshot on the human body is much less debatable. Statistics do not agree with the shs argument. My point is that guns will eventually be taken by the same tactics used against tobacco. Society will become against guns just as it has become against smoking, much due to propaganda and misinformation such as this. In fact, the same plan has been touted as the way to rid our society of guns by people such as Eric Holder. You simply can't believe everything you read. Statistics just don't back up the shs argument. They do for smoking, but not second hand smoke. This recent tragedy will serve the antis for generations to come in demonizing guns to our youth and up through the rest of society. Smoking bans prove that the rights of the minority don't matter. The same will happen to gun ownership. The number of gun owners will decline to a point where the brainwashed majority will have it's way.
 
The dots to connect there are that cigarette smoking has been banned almost everywhere because cigarette smoke kills. Here's some food for thought....while Y'all were supporting legislation to stop folks from smoking anywhere they chose you shoulda asked yourselves..."OK, today it's cigarettes, what's next".

No, I'm not arguing that folks should have smoking rights. However, using those statistics, we could trade our guns for a pack of cigarettes and whenever threatened we could blow smoke in their general area.

oops! Mike beat me to the punch.
 
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Al Nyhus said:
In light of recent events, here's something to consider:

In the United States in 2011, there were over 53,000 deaths as a direct result of second hand exposure to cigarette smoke.

In the United States in 2011, there were 9,369 murders committed with firearms.
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Meaningless. We still terrorize each other on the freeways to the tune of 35,000+ each year. Also meaningless. Those numbers are statistics we've grown accustomed to as a way of life.

Murdering 3000 with airplanes or the killing of 20 innocent children with an assault weapon by a sane or deranged person is quite something different. Why? Because it's not a normal everyday occurrence. Not something we readily accept as a part of everyday life.

Adults are one thing, but children are special, and we value them more because they hold the keys to the future. Future cure for diseases as they become doctors, future science discoveries as they become scientists, etc. etc.

When 20 of them are slaughtered, we look for ways to prevent that from happening in the future. What type prevention will be enacted, only time will tell, but please don't lump their deaths into another statistic comparable to the statistic of second hand smoke deaths by adults who had a choice.
 
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abintx so how many children are killed one at a time or two at a time in cars, airplanes, swimming poles and so on. This thing was done buy a sick person in one day. His mother was going to have him put away, would that push you over the edge if you found that out? I bet it would but hopefully you wouldn't do something like that because you have the ability to reason, aparently he didn't!

Joe Salt
 
I hate to comment on this issue because it is indeed a sad day.

The Va Tec shooting was done by a person that had been seen by several professionals that he was indeed in need of help. The reason we could not force him to get help is it would violate his rights- he purchased all the weapons and ammo LEGALLY over a several month period. This young man also need help - but we can not MAKE him get it only recommend it. The "No child left behind" is another issue that needs addressed it to is part of the problem with todays children. Quit blaming the instrument BLAME the musician

Jim
 
Can somebody explain to me how passing more gun control laws will do anything to bring these kids back? People are so distraught right now that they are letting the liberal media accelerate their agenda by making hasty decisions born from emotions and feelings rather than common sense.

More gun legislation will not stop a person such as this from causing harm. He stole guns from a law abiding citizen who purchased guns legally and then planned a suicide attack with them. How will new gun laws possibly prevent this? The only thing that would've stopped this threat was an equally lethal counter attack from an armed citizen inside the school. New gun control laws will try to limit what the law abiding citizen can do while giving the advantage to the attacker because it's obvious he's not going to follow the laws regarding how he gets his weapons.

Shame on the liberal media using this tragedy to push their agenda. And shame on those who have bought into it.......especially those who know better but are folding to liberal pressures. If history has taught us anything it's that if you give those that seek your freedoms an inch, they will not stop there.
 
It's seems a little odd to me that those who support banning or restricting guns, to help protect our most valuable asset...children....are also the same people who support free, open abortions, even for minors.

They also go and support their position by saying it's the woman's choice....well, this guy that did the shooting...just made a choice. If he had just went and became an abortion doctor, these same people who want to bans guns would be supporting him.

Food for thought.

Hovis
 
Until we figure out how to overcome the human character fault that first showed up when Cain killed his very own brother Able, I don't think another study or Blue Ribbon panel, or more legislation will help.

Besides, as to the "assault rifle" attack by those who want to disarm us, every news report I have seen so far, the killers assault rifle was still in his car.

Keep close watch and close contact with your own elected representatives.
 
I'm beginnig to think something else is afoot that we don't know about. If so, and we find out what it is, there's gonna be "hell to pay."

Think about it if only for a moment (in other words...humor me). There have been folks that strapped explosives to their body in support of a "cause" they were brainwashed to believe. Perhaps a "grassy knoll" exists within all these unmotivated shootings.
 
Al,

Data points.

In the early 1900s, when my father was in his 80s, he went in to the hospital to have his gall bladder removed, via arthroscopic surgery. He has a little fever in the recovery room, so thy kept him. Turned out to be a full-blown infection. Long story short. After a week, he was home for three days, & back to the hospital with a high fever, and eventually died.

Classic case of MERSA.

The death certificate read "death was from pneumonia, due to years of cigarette smoking."

I take your point, but question the data.
 
abintx said:
When 20 of them are slaughtered, we look for ways to prevent that from happening in the future. What type prevention will be enacted, only time will tell, but please don't lump their deaths into another statistic comparable to the statistic of second hand smoke deaths by adults who had a choice.
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Not lumping anything together...quite the opposite.

Just pointing out that if as a society we really want to keep people safe, where do you draw the line?

It's interesting to note that with all the uproar, you'd think that every town in the United States looks like Dodge City on a Saturday night. The truth is that the U.S. ranks a distant 10th in firearms related homocides with 10.2 people per 100,000 deaths. The Top Ten and the per 100,000 people are:

El Salvador -50.36
Jamaica - 47.44
Honduras - 46.70
Guatemala - 38.52
Swaziland - 37.16
Colombia - 28.11
Brazil - 19.01
Panama - 12.92
Mexico - 11.14
United States - 10.2
 
With 315 million people in the US....this crap is GOING to happen....it won't be the last, odds are it will only get worse. The media rides it to death making martyrs out of the nuts. The nut cases seeking greater notoriety will try to top the last massacre.... no matter what laws are passed ......short of allowing teachers and other civilians to CC .....and that will NEVER happen. There is a price to pay to live in a (semi)free society.
 
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