Double or triple stitch

Vern

Vern

Morethan1waytoskinacat
I need a new rear bag.
I am shooting a Bruno edge (OLder) the flat on the rear stock is 1/2 wide.
I tend to shoot free recoil and I am not a bag squeezer.

Should the bag be a double stitch with the 3/8 between the ears or the triple stitch with 1/2" between the ears.
I want good smooth consistent tracking.
 
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Robertson BRX stocks are usually very nice. They are not Scoville or Leonard nice, but they don't cost 1200 either. I do think that the Robertson BRX, and Jim Borden's speedy copy (almost the same as the BRX) are in a class of there own, just under the handmade offerings. Robertson stocks are definitely a step above McMillan.
I have been talking with Zane Athey, as he is making a speedy stock. Actually he bought a mold from speedy, and Zane is now making them himself. I really think Zane as a winner with his stocks, as Zane has gone to a lot of trouble to make sure these stocks are made properly. He is a perfectionist, and i have no doubt that these stocks will be straight. My only hold up on buying one of Zane's stock, is the fact that i have to have it painted. Zane will ship it with primer that is ready to except paint, with very little if any additional work. The butt plate is also fitted with room to except paint. If i buy this stock, and i think i will, I wil need to figure out a way to glue my bat 3 lug into the stock so it can be painted properly. I thought about doing this myself (the bedding) but like Goodgrouper is saying, if it isnt glued in properly it wont be worth anything, and it wont track properly. So this is a very serious decisions i have to make. Zane suggest a pre-bed, so i can make all my cut outs, and then paint. Then comes the final glue in. If i pay someone to do this for me, that's a lot of trips in a shipping box and a lot of added expense. If i could figure out a proper way to paint the stock, and only have one trip to Tom Meredith for the glue in, "if i dont do the work myself", it would make the decision a lot easier. But there again like good grouper is saying. You cant cut corners on this, and it has to be done properly!! Anyway Zane suggest that the barrel run slightly up hill so that the recoil drives the stock into the rear bag, which makes since to me. Good topic here fellas!! Lee
 
Goodgrouper.
If the stock is not supposed to touch the flat of the bag then shouldnt it be the 3/8 double stitch instead of the 1/2 inch triple stitch?
 
Speedy told me he put the flat on the stock so that the edges would ride up on the ears of a single stitch bag. I have used both and agree with Speedy on this. There are some posts I made on the forum that tell how to fill it too per Speedy.
 
Stiller
When was it posted. Or tell me some other way I could look it up please.
Thanks
 
+ 1 for what goodgrouper said with the added comment that different shooters get different results with the same stuff -- to a degree

You may find a different consensus among the long range folks than here amongst the short range shooters. When I first started this we were not shooting shorter than 500 meters and the people I learned from liked flat wide stable rear bags--however there was not the selection and technology that we have today. I have not kept up with all the LR thinking much since 1999 when I became restricted to shooting at the only close range here--200 yards. Still, the two rounded stocks that I shoot with single stitch rabbit ear bags seem harder to stabilize to me than the two with flat bottoms shot off 2 stitch protector bunny ears.
I also am fairly sure that there is more give in the ears than in the body of the bag, if filled right................
 
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vern, here is my old post I wrote:

Speedy Gonzales told me to use a single stitch bag with a flat bottom stock to keep the stock from hitting the bottom. That way the edges ride in the ears. I use a rabbit ear versus a bunny too. Here is how to fill a rear bag per Speedy:

Fill the ears with regular sand, not the heavy, until pretty stiff.
Fill the bottom with regular sand and parakeet gravel half and half full, but soft enough such that you can squeeze the bag to move the rifle and then have it go back when done.
As it stretches, refill it as needed.

I did this with one variation. I used parakeet gravel in the base mixed with aquarium rock. It is pretty light, but does not pack and absorbs vibrations well. You just need to travel with it upside down in the car so that the sand doesnt go to the bottom and stay. This made a huge difference in my centerfire shooting.
 
Jerry,
If I remember correctly, you are a bag squeezer. I forget, is Speedy? It would seem that gripping the bag might mean that there was no need for heavy sand with that shooting style. Also, perhaps free recoil presents a different set of problems that may require different solutions. What do you think?
 
skeetlee
Just one correction--the Borden stock is not a Speedy copy--the Speedy stock is a copy of the Adamowicz R&M pattern stock (which the Borden stock has been based from since the early 90's) from the late 70's and Speedy started making in late 90's or after 2000.

Butch's point about riding on the ears is good advice

Jim
 
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