Concerned about Remington.

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murphy

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Tried to buy a new Remington rifle a few weeks ago,but couldnt get what I wanted. I was after a CDL sporter in 308win. with a wooden stock. All the Australian agent had to offer was one in 7mm08,or a fiberglass and stainless one in 308. Asked about a BDL and was told that they dont make them any more,so whats going on. Seems to me that The Big Green is trying to go cheap with all their crappy plastic stock models. What do other people think, as a crome moly wood stocked one in 308 doesent seem much of an ask?
 
Chech the Remington site at www.remington.com

I didn't see a CDL or BDL shown in 308 Winchester. Remington does what other manufacturers do---change the product line up according to the bean counters, not shooter's desires.

I would like a 6 mm RemAI Varmint, looks like I will have to have one built...

Cheers,
Jim
 
Concerned

If I were Remington they should be concernesd. If they do not improve ther quality and ther treatment of ther customers they my end up like Winchester. On The outside looking in and not know what happened.
 
Remington

Remington's glory years are over, my friend. Buy a Savage and forget about Remington.
Chino69
 
I would have to disagree, as Remington or any other factory produces products that they can sell and make money on. If there is not enough market for a certain line, it will be discontinued regardless of what a few customers want. They can't build everything at a price that people will pay and still be in business. Personally I am amazed that some of the guns are as accurate as they are knowing how they are made and the price that they make them for.
 
Remington

I would have to disagree, as Remington or any other factory produces products that they can sell and make money on. If there is not enough market for a certain line, it will be discontinued regardless of what a few customers want. They can't build everything at a price that people will pay and still be in business. Personally I am amazed that some of the guns are as accurate as they are knowing how they are made and the price that they make them for.

John,
Remington was once under the DuPont family of companies; what I call their glory days. When a company changes hands and then ends up as Remington has with the new owners, it is generally not good. Maybe after the company is re-organized and shaped for the future, things will change. I recall when Smith & Wesson was a Bangor Punta company and their quality control was garbage. Human beings work for these companies and when your employees don't feel secure, quality and service will suffer.
Chino69
 
I bought a CDL right before Xmas in 7-08. The fit and finish was as good as BDL's in my safe that are right around 50 years old. It had a nice oil finish with even a bit of figure in the stock. I cleaned the bore and mounted a 3x9 weaver on it that had been centered. Using some generic ammo for another rifle, and shooting at 100 yards, the very first 5 rounds to go thru this rifle formed a tidy circle slightly high and slightly right of a 1" sticker with 2 of the bullet holes in the sticker. The group measured slightly over 1".
I understand this is an example of one but it is consistant with the many Remingtons I have been buying over the years. And it's no different than the fellows that buy their first and only Remington, take it out of the box, and when they don't get one hole groups shooting acrost the hood of their trucks, they want to blame Remington.
In truth, I didn't like the finish on the BDL's anyway and would special order a Euro stock or buy a Classic if it was in a calibre I liked. So, IMO, the CDL is an advance over the BDL.
 
Chino, you are right that company's change ownership and quite often empoyee's suffer and so does production to a point depending on the new management. Savage has done some remarkable things in there rifle line and I commend them, but I have difficulty with people seemingly trashing Remington over a bad experience with a firearm when sometimes it is the shooter himself. All factories have a lemon come down the line and none are exempt, whether you are talking cars guns appliances etc and it is the chance you take in production tolerances. It is not easy in this day of lawsuits to produce something that can be mass marketed and not infringe on someones elses patented design, while customers complain that they don't get custom built rifle accuracy right out of the box and lawyers wanting to sue them because the are to easy to accidently kill someone. To the best of my knowledge, I've heard that not to long ago Remington employees were proud of there company and were trying to improve all the time, but sometimes public perception is difficult to overcome, like the 6mm remington 220 swift etc. I'm not accusing anyone here of anything ,more advising to be carefull of what you wish for,you may see some remarkable improvments from Rem. Personally I wouldn't have a problem buying either Rem or Savage.
 
Poor workmenship

For the kind of problems i have had with Remington ther is no exquce it is all poor workmenship when a chamber is not in line with the bore that is poor workmenship and to have two rifles in a row with searl numbers 2,374 apart and bouth have the same problem that is not just a lemon. I can shoot I have been hand loading from back in the early 60"s have had several 1/2 min rifles and can shoot regular sub min groops and have a 40X that will shoot 3/8 groops. In the last two year i have bought 4 remingtons and have had quality problems with 3 of them from bad chambers to not ejecting shells and they were all due to poor workmenship. The bad part is remington will not stand benind ther guns or ther poor work. Ther is no exquse for this. We need more companys like Leupold in the world. And some pride in American made products.
 
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As with most products manufacturers build what sells the most---it is all about dollars..
 
Excueses

AS far as quility. That is jusi a excuse and as long as that is all we expect and except that is all we will get.
 
My two Remington varmint rifles I purchased in the last few years are VERY accurate and fit and finish was good from the factory.
 
My last new Remington will be my last. Poor shooting rifle followed by no customer support. The rifle now sits in Clay Spencers shop with a new Lilja. I should've bought the Cooper.
 
Remington's glory years are over
I agree with this statement!

I used to be a hardcore Remington fan. But buying a Remington these days seems like about a 50/50 chance of getting a good one without some sort of accuracy and or quality issue. At least that is about what I've seen from my purchases of Remington Rifles. I done with Remington myself.
 
Let's buy Remington from Cerberus Capital Management

If all of the dedicated Remington owners pooled their money, I think we could buy Remington and restore it to what it was back in the sixties, seventies, etc.

What would it take? One hundred dollars per Remington owner? One thousand?

If the company is turning out crap (and I don't know if this is true) then something needs to be done. Either you quit buying the crap and spend your money elsewhere or you force the company to change their ways by buying them and instituting change.

It would be a shame to see this company go the way of Winchester but I think that is the way it's headed.

JMO.
 
Remington's glory years are over, my friend. Buy a Savage and forget about Remington.
Chino69

True statement! My un-tuned Savage .308 w/ Acu-Trigger shoots 1/2 @ 100 yards. Gotta love it. :cool:
 
quality woes

To say Remington's quality is the same as it has always been can only mean you're not buying many new rifles.

SPS rifles have been shipped to retailers:
1) that wouldn't chamber a factory round because the chambers weren't complete cut
2) barrels stamped with the incorrect cartridge for the chamber that was cut
3) barrels out of square to the action more than ever

Remington puts more focus on their rifles that cost a few 100 $$ more than the SPS line and these may be more in line with rifles of past years however, they certainly do have quality issues...
 
If all of the dedicated Remington owners pooled their money, I think we could buy Remington and restore it to what it was back in the sixties, seventies, etc.

What would it take? One hundred dollars per Remington owner? One thousand?

If the company is turning out crap (and I don't know if this is true) then something needs to be done. Either you quit buying the crap and spend your money elsewhere or you force the company to change their ways by buying them and instituting change.

It would be a shame to see this company go the way of Winchester but I think that is the way it's headed.

JMO.

Employees bought out Harley Davidson and Winnabago and turned both these companys around and remade them into leaders in there field.

Chuck.
 
About Remington

The shop I do all my business at has 6000 guns on the floor where you can look at them and pick them and feel the craftsmanship. The place is actually an attraction in these parts.

Sometimes the owner will comment on gun companies and there quality and what they have to offer. So one day I mentioned Remington.
He sneered, looked me in the eye, and shook his head. Too bad, man I loved that company.

I think the same thing has happened to them that eventually happens to all big companies. They loose interest in the product and start concentrating on the profit margins and share holders. :mad:
 
You can improve the accuracy of some Remington bolt action rifles when the trigger pull is reduced down to 2 3/4 pound from the 5 to 7 pound pull set at the factory. Glass bedding the action with about two inches of the barrel helps some , when the rest of the barrel free floated. The bolt locking lugs may need to be lapped, on two of my rifles only one lug show any wear . Inspect the muzzle crown , it may need to be re crowned. Getting a Remington rifle is ok, you get to learn to do some gunsmithing with it. I call it a tune up for a new rifle. Good luck
 
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