Building 1st custom BR gun

82boy

Patrick Kennedy
Hey Guys,
I am building my first custom bench gun. I am looking to shoot a couple of registered match's with it. (my first)

I been looking at the Stiller viper drop port with a right bolt left feed. What is everyones opinion of this action? How does it compare to a Stoll panda, or a Bat.

I was wondering about triggers as well. I know I am getting a Jewell BR, but should I spend the extra 10+ bucks and get the one with a bolt release?

I thought I would use a TM stock and a Brux barrel. My plan should net me a gun just under 2k with smith work, and would be about the same cost as buying a used rig.

So tell me what you think.
 
Just about all current BR actions are good. I prefer the Stolle Panda mostly becuase of the big footprint that aids bedding and gluing, and, because I know the guys at Kelblys very well. They make top of the top quality.

As to a bolt release, on the actions you mentioned the bolt release is built into the action.

TM stocks are great, so is Tom Meredith. He's been building stocks and stocking guns for almost 30 years.

As to barrels for benchrest, read the equipment lists of recent match reports. Read some recent and some 2-4 year old lists if ou can find them. You will find out, on barrels, there are "flavors of the month".

Your thread should probably be moved to the Gunsmith forum below. You will get more responses, me thinks.
 
Thanks for the reply.

I must say that I am surprised that there is not more responses, there is over 200 views. I might place this in the gunsmithing section.
 
Jerry gives good advice. Read the equipment lists for components (barrels, actions, stocks). Jewel is the most common trigger altho I'm sure the Kelbly is good too.

Things change in BR, kindof like fads. Stainless actions are most common now, but you will not be out gunned with a Panda or Viper, guaranteed. Barrels are about the same.

Get it put together right, and you're good to go.
 
Thanks for the reply.

I must say that I am surprised that there is not more responses, there is over 200 views. I might place this in the gunsmithing section.

Want a response , I like the Bat action, I also like my old Stolle Teddy and I have heard great things about the Stiller drop ports. Want further confusion Look at Bordenrifles Rimrock actions they are becoming very common in the winners lists and definitely worth consideration.
All the components you mentioned are top notch. As previously mentioned forget the bolt release it has no use with the actions you are mentioning.

So many good components, so little time and money.

Dick
 
Advice

Thanks for the reply.

I must say that I am surprised that there is not more responses, there is over 200 views. I might place this in the gunsmithing section.

If you would have received bad advice you would get more replys, no need for everyone to say the same thing when the first response is correct.

not sure what kind of answers your looking for.
 
It's difficult to say

I find that even the best will sometimes leave one not so happy with what they have. I have yet to own an action that was perfect and I have or have had all those mentioned.
 
I have a Stiller Viper and a Stolle Panda. They are both good kit.
If I were going to build a new gun I would choose the Stiller Viper because they are made in Texas and I like to keep my money close to home.
The same with the Jewell trigger....made in Tejas. Although I will one day try out the Kelbly trigger.
Ted
 
I've got a drop port and love it from an ease of operation viewpoint. The action is significantly slicker to operate than my Panda or Grizzly. Plus just having the spent cases drop a few inches into a pile is, IMHO, the best solution that I've seen.

Accuracy potential differences? None that I can detect.
 
Thanks for the reply.

I must say that I am surprised that there is not more responses, there is over 200 views.

This is because you've asked a question that's been asked many, many times, and doesn't belong in the 'Competition' forum. It belongs in the regular centerfire forum, after you've used the search function to look over the dozens (if not hundreds) of other posts about this subject.
 
Mr Boy
If you are in the Central Texas Area we can get together and you can shoot my guns.
ted
 
I thought the question was at least close to the scope of the forum. He is building a serious BR gun for BR competition.
At least he didn't ask about getting his 348 Remchester Super Long Magnum+P tuned up for Jackalope season.
 
The way I see it is that all the BR actions are satisfactory for building a serious BR rifle. The main difference I see is that of ejection of the spent cartridge case. There seems to be four possibilities. Non ejection, left ejection, right ejection and the drop port. If you stop and think about it right and left you might be chasing cases. Non ejection you have to manually pick the case out of the bolt face. Thanks to Jerry Stiller with his drop port the cases fall due to gravity only out the bottom of the action. To my way of thinking there is nothing like it. I have two Vipers, one a right eject, which I have to catch the cases in a plastic tray and a Drop Port that just drops the cases in a pile right in front of my rear bag. I love it and would not trade it for anything else. Besides he furnishes a trigger gard and scope rings with his actions. Also the Viper has a flat bottom and a big footprint to glue into a stock. What else could you want?

Donald
 
82boy

The Extreme Accuracy Game has mirrowed the HotRod Industry in the way the entire endevour has evolved.

I don't know your age, but I consider myself an "old hot rodder". Back in the 60's and 70's, if you wanted to build a serious performance vehicle, you had a choice of highly modifying Factory Offerrings, or going with what was then just a few after market supplyers for items such as cranks, rods, pistons, etc. There were virtually NO aftermarket blocks or heads, businesses such as Air Flow Research started with Factory Castings, and more or less did what ever it took to increase the potential. Allof this was VERY expensive stuff.

Now, just pick up a Jegs, or Summit catalogue. It seems every body and his Grandmother is manufacturing evry concievable high performance item, from the air cleaner to the tread of the tire. The problem isn't finding quality parts, the real problem is deciding who to purchace the items from. The latest Jegs has no less than 5 pages of nothing but aftermarket cylinder heads.

Good Lord, I now see where Edlebrock is now producing heads for the W-Series Chevy's, (348-409). Aluminum blocks are soon to follow. That means, if you so desired, (and many do), a Rodder could assemble a 409 with no more effort than it takes to build a Chevy Mouse or Rat Motor.

The same evolutuion has taken place in Firearms. The advent of moderm manufacturing, (CAD-CAM), has greatly increased the availability of quality parts. For years, a shooter could go with a accurized Factory offerring, or wait forever for one of the few Customs that were available. Many of the custom parts were produced in specialty shops, at a low volume. You almost had to have a 'friend in the industry' to even aquire the more desireable items.

Those days are gone. look at the number of top quality manufacturers we have now, who furnish everything from the barrel to the bullet. And, just like the Hot Rod industry, we have a multitude of large supply houses that keep a good stock of everything from powder to triggers. Need a barrel?? Call Lester or Ron, and I would bet that you could have a barrel blank, (or just about anything, for that matter), sitting at your doorstep in 4 days.

Which brings us to your initial inquiry.

When we answer, "it doesn't make much difference", that is the truth. Whether it's a Kelbly, a Stiller, or a Bat, all are manufactured to exacting tolerances using the latest in CNC machining practices. The decision is not IF you can get something, the big decision is deciding what to buy.

Even though I have been shooting Benchrest since the mid 90's, I am sorta going through the samething you are as a new shooter. I have shot the same Rifle for the past eleven years, a simple Farley that is Right Bolt-Left Port. No eject. I have won a lot of Matches with that onelittle Rifle. I made a decision after this years nationals to upgrade, to a Ejector Bat in a new Scarborough Stock. I chose the Bat because I stumbled into a very good deal, one too good to pass up. For my Rail Gun, I just brought back, from Denton, a brand new Stiller Diamond Back in drop port.

Be warned. As good as the manufactueres are, not even all actions from the same manufacturer are created equal. Just like barrels, some tend to, on a consitant basis, just shoot a little better than one just like it. Just like with cars, two engines can Dyno the same, but for some reason, one will have a slight enough edge in the real world to make a difference.

Keep in mind what we are trying to accomplish. Literally stacking one bullet on top of another on a VERY consistant basis, out doors,in the elements.

Look at this years Nationals Equipment List. It seems that anybody that did anything worhwhile was shooting a Bat Action, Hostenstien (sp) bullets, coming out of a Bartlien Barrel. Untill you did a little deeper. Tony Boyer blew the Unlimited 100 record out the window. What is hanging off his Rail?? A Stiller Diamondback.


Benchrest, just like everything else, steadilly evolves. New items come, and go. A shooter is bombarded with decisions about what is best. The simple truth is, we never had it so good.

The reality is, the biggest decision one really has to make is what phone number to dial.

Right now, you can call any one of the major Supply Houses, and purchase a brand new Benchrest Rifle, and have it in a few weeks. They actually know the market, and build spec Rifles simply to sale.

Go back to the HomePage. On the left, take a look at all of the manufactures. It is amazing what is yours to have, with no more effort than dialing the phone and giving out a credit card number............jackie
 
Another "get started" perspective

So tell me what you think.
82boy


OK.........

The above posts are spot on.

I'll add.......... What is REAL important in this sport.

Honestly... A REAL mentor... So many think this sport is "real easy"... It ain't and it's getting way tougher every year (competition wise), just look at the Nationals aggs.......................... My God!:eek::eek:

Even the local registered, heck, the local "club" matches are FIERCELY competitive!!!!!!!!

Todays equiptment is so darn GOOD it's just a pick the stuff out as Jackie said and order... Some of it's a wait some not so.

Find the closest NBRSA/IBS 100/200 range to you with people who shoot/compete REGULARLY. And I believe you'll find someone who will help you get started (make SOLID informed decisions in all regards $$$ well spent).
Go to the matches with an eagerness to learn, take notes. Get behind various guns, various front/rear rest equiptment. See the loading gear, match prep. See the flags, set-up and styles of shooting/reading flags for greatest effect..... etc.

THIS is how you will get a good solid start AND have the best chance to be successful. Not get burn out from stumbling around in the dark so to speak.
If you TRULY like precision/accurate shooting, then 100/200 Group/Score Benchrest IS the sport for you. Very addictive and HUMBLING at the same time.

You will see the people of this sport ARE world class... The vast majority are, you'll see.

This site is a good start.... Welcome to Benchrest.
cale
 
Good advice...

....and lots of it so far. I was in (and still am in your shoes) not long ago. I am still showing up to some club matches with my Savage. I have learned a lot. I have shoot some great groups and then followed them up with several crappy groups. Still lots of fun. It is a Ford vs. Chevy thing.

What no one has mention much, it that some of the older actions still shoot some outstanding groups. Take caroby that posted in the thread below. I have seen him win wood a couple of times this years and it wasn't with the latest/greatest combo. If fact, I bet a few shooters would turn their nose up at his old Time (if I remember) 6PPC that has been to the winners circle a few time this year. Oh... and that wasn't a March scope on Cale's gun either... was it Cale.

Nothing is more important that practice. Get a gun (new or used) and start having fun shooting. Ask lots of questions at match. Even better go to the range on a practice day where shooters are not under the gun. You could probably fire or cycle a couple of different actions to see if your a Ford or Chevy guy.

Luck, tim
 
No need to spend BIG$$$.....

and that wasn't a March scope on Cale's gun either... was it Cale.

Haaa, no Tim it wernt.....:D;)

I agree with Tim, a new guy doesn't need to buy New or the "Best"... To get started in this sport and get started RIGHT.


Optics... If one can afford a March, go for it.... If not, NOTHING wrong with a Weaver or Sightron 36x... Just handle them with care (take out of the rings when swapping barrels for example)... I think P.O.I. movement is a tad overblown...... BUT I do know that EVERY internal adjusted scope will eventually fail to some degree...

Just say'n that a $2000+ Gun and $2000+ scope will run off some of the new guys..... That ain't good...:eek:

Ultimately... Tim said it..!
Nothing is more important than practice. Get a gun (new or used) and start having fun shooting. Ask lots of questions at match.

cale
 
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