6.5 ai

Tod Soeby

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I see lots of intrest in the 260 / 6.5-08 / 6.5-47...ect....Cases somewhat smaller than the 6.5-284. I also see people who, although are moving away from it, shoot the 6mm REM AI. Has anyone tried necking the 6mm AI up to 6.5?

What would be the pro's and con's of the 6.5 AI (Other than brass quality issues)?
 
Tod
I used to shoot a 6.5 AI (6.5 x 57 AI) in F Class, it basically does what the 6.5 x 284 does with a little less powder (45.5 H4350). I found it very accurate but barrel life ws about the same as the 6.5x284 (1200 rnds). i shot it at 1000BR a few times average was about 6" best was 3.9". I used RWS 7x57 brass, pricey but tough as nails.

Matt P
 
Charles Bailey use to shoot a 6.5x57 improved in 1K LG. He did NOT start with the 7x57 brass -- the 7x57 has a longer neck than he other "_x57" cases. He did OK, but only that.

For what it's worth, the success of the 6PPC at short range has gotten everybody thinking about case dimensions -- chambering -- as a significant factor in accuracy. I think it is way down on the list. You're better off, I think, to pick a powder you want to use, and a bullet, Esp. a bullet.

Do I have a reason for thinking this way? Oh, brother. So many wildcat dies sitting on my shelf because at one time or another, I got the notion that "X" mattered in case design. And when the 6.5/.284 became popular, being a contrarian, I had to do something different -- a 6.5/06 AI. Joel Pendergraft got one too. For a couple of years, we cleaned up. So much for short and fat. Steve Shelp and Dave Tooley went with the 6.5x55 Swede improved. For a couple of years, they cleaned up. Then somebody with a hot barrel chambered in 6.5/284 would clean up. You get the picture.

I'd say you are much better off choosing a bullet, then choosing a powder. Use a ballistics program to find a case size that gives you 100% loading density with those choices. Then pick a case where you have to do the least amount of work to go shoot.

How to choose a powder? I dunno. Over the years, 4350 has seemed to work very well, just a little fast for the big cases. My gut feeling is the success of the .300 WSM is in large part due to the powders that work in it, 4350 being a prime choice. I've seen 4350 work well in the .300 Ackley sized cases, but of course, it isn't ideal, loading density is way down there. But I gush, always a warning sign.

Another thing I've noticed is that the double-base powders seem a bit more forgiving, a wider pressure range of good performance. But then, lot-to-lot variation seems greater. And the lot-to-lot burn rate, at least with powders from Alliant, seems to be set by blending granules of different sizes. Does that matter? I'm not sure.

These are just my prejudices. I've always felt that faster powders are more consistent performers. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary, *this* gun, *that* gun. I still feel that when you look at *all* guns, the faster powders seem to work more consistently.

FWIW, I'll go back to the first statement. Pick a powder, then a bullet, then a chambering. When picking a chambering, pick one that needs the least amount of work. Pushing shoulders back etc. gets old, and offers lots of opportunities to make small mistakes.
 
I shoot a 6.5 x 57 improved in 1000 and 600 comp. I started with a 6.5 Ackley imp. then developed my own case with a 30 degree shoulder I call the 6.5 Mallory. It seems a little more accurate and consistant than the former. I use RL 17 in it. One barrel likes JLK bullets, the other likes Berger non VLD BT bullets. I use Wolf mag primers. I have been using Win. 7x57 or 257 Roberts brass but Midway has some Norma 7x57 brass that I will be trying in the future.
 
WARNING

To anyone new: Remember there is a 6.5x57 case offered from the European factories -- Norma, RWS, maybe Lapua.

This case has different dimensions than the 7x57 -- the neck is shorter, for one thing. The 6.5x57 case is based on the 8x57 case.

The cases being discussed in this thread seem to be the 7x57 parent necked to 6.5mm and improved. (The Roberts was based on a 7x57). To call it a 6.5x57 improved is a misnomer, since there exists a 6.5x57 factory round which has different dimensions. beyond what the Ackley formula specifies.

In short, if you have a case based on the .257 Roberts necked up and improved, don't order 6.5x57 brass and expect it to work. It won't chamber. Alternatively, if you have a *real* 6.5x57 chambering, don't neck up .257 Roberts brass, or neck down 7x57 brass -- your headspace will be dangerously great.

Also, load data for a true 6.5x57 improved could be too hot for a 6.5/.257 improved, as the later is a bit smaller.

No problem with either chambering, as long as you realize just which one you're using.

Edit:

The other chambering common in America is the 6mm Remington (aka .244 Remington). It too is based on the 7x57, not the 6.5x57 or 8x57.
 
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