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MrGee

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Howdy.. have a two fold question so as i can make some decissions..
i'm thinking a new build maybe off a 700 short action, can the bolt face be opened to .535 safely.. to receive the wssm case
2nd,.. whats the pro's an con's on 223 wssm good , bad , barrel life .. what ever comes to mind .. i'm still openon the subject.. all comments welcome

thanks in advance RichG,...:)
 
Rich ...

To receive a plethora of answers to your questions you might give the Factory/Hybrid and/or the Gunsmiths Corner forums a try.
 
I toyed with the idea of the 223 WSSM a few years back. I decided not to do it after so many before me had failed to make it shoot well. May I suggest the 22BR. Here is some info on the 22BR.
http://www.6mmbr.com/22BR.html
 
A few years ago I was talking to the custom shop at Hornady. They chambered a barrel for it. The barrel was shot out in 350 rounds. Go .22 BR you won't be disappointed with it.
 
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MrGee said:
Howdy.. have a two fold question so as i can make some decissions..
i'm thinking a new build maybe off a 700 short action, can the bolt face be opened to .535 safely.. to receive the wssm case
2nd,.. whats the pro's an con's on 223 wssm good , bad , barrel life .. what ever comes to mind .. i'm still openon the subject.. all comments welcome

thanks in advance RichG,...:)
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I can see a lot of advantage to the good ol 223 (plenty of brass choices for this one). It does great in the AR 15's in service rifle matches and in High Power rifle matches. If you want something more exotic, chamber up for the 6BR, a great cartridge out to 600yds.
 
virg said:
I can see a lot of advantage to the good ol 223 (plenty of brass choices for this one). It does great in the AR 15's in service rifle matches and in High Power rifle matches. If you want something more exotic, chamber up for the 6BR, a great cartridge out to 600yds.
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he said WSSM virg
 
Rich

Since Remington has been using that bolt face for years in everything from the 600- 660 through the model Seven, there sure isn't a problem openning up a 700. The WSSM uses the same bolt face as does a standard Belted Magnum. It would be nice if you could find a 600-660 in 350 Rem Mag, but those things are getting rather pricey. Remington even brought back the Model 7 in 350 Mag for a while, I think it weas called a 673.

Is the 22 WSSM a barrel burner?? Probably not much more than a 220 swift. But then, the Swift has never been "easy" on barrels when loaded to it's full potential. Even with todays larger selection of suitable powders, large overbore cases such as the 22 WSSM are still not going to be known for longivety.

The 22 BR is sure a nice little offerring. Unless you are wanting to shoot bullets over 65 grns, it will darned near equal a 22-250 in performance.

If you insist on a WSSM, you might contact Lothar Walthar about a barrel made from their L-50 Alloy. That is it's big selling point, longer barrel life........jackie
 
I think that if you spend one dime on making a 223WSSM on a factory action you'll regret it. There's a reason that they have failed miserably and possibly bankrupted Winchester, they have multiple problems and barrel life ain't one of them.

The design of the case is wrong, it CANNOT work unless you ramp the pressure up like a BR rifle, hot and fast. The factory actions will not take this. I've only been privy to 6 WSSM's (22 and 243) for real and maybe 20 on the internet and they've all had problems. Thousands of them got sent back to the factories. I've spoken with the factory engineers.

I can't in good faith recommend the .223WSM unless you put it in a fat-tenon custom action and hotload to RIP the everlivin' %$#&! out of it. It IS a hotrod and the 700 ain't a hotrod action IMO.

You deserve better.

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Not a good cartridge for a lot of reasons. Brass being one of them. My friend almost blew his head off with one. You couldn't give me one on a bet.

Hot and dangerous.
 
Seen Pressure

Back when the "powers that be" brought out all of these "fat is better" offerrings, many of us asked the question, "what about bolt thrust" in the regular Factory Actions. Everybody was so excited that they would now be able to make a catridge that holds large quantities of powder shoot like a PPC that they overlooked this "minor" concern..........jackie
 
22wssm

MrGee,

22BR and don't look back... If factory offering, then 22-250/.220 Swift...22-250Ack a "mild" wildcat in terms of producing finished cases.

The 22WSSM is just wrong.............. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overbore and not what it's supposed to be .... Effecient.

A very very few have got'n this thing (22WSSM) to do 1/2 MOA ... Even from a TOTAL custom rig... Very very few...

Effecient...
Some work on your part I.E. no factory brass to simply load and shoot...
.22BR , 22PPC , and a host of other wildcat cases that are WAAAAY better in terms of absolute accuracy, velocity and effeciency.

Factory offerings both in term of factory loaded and "turn key" brass...
.223Rem , .22-250 , .220Swift

Some look at the WSSM case (especially the 22 version) and think wow a PPC on steroids...... IT AIN'T.

Were just try to save ya the greef! Run far away from the 22WSSM case!

The 6mm version is only mildly better. I'd say the 25WSSM is not to bad, actually a pretty fine cartridge.

Think hard,
cale
 
223 wsm..

Too much overbore, as stated barrels last no time at all.

If the 22 BR is not quick enough try the 22BRX.

If that is not quick enough the 22/243 and 22/6mmRemington have all the juice one can use and still shoot real well.

Rustystud
 
Some look at the .223 WSSM as a PPC on steroids.
It is more like a PPC on crack cocaine.
I read an article in Precision Shooting that said due to the increased bolt thrust it springs the action on firing, that's why it won't shoot in a factory action.
I have never seen one that would shoot.
 
243 wssm

I know this is pertaining to 223 but a buddy of mine is looking at getting a 243 WSSM. Is the consensus bout the same on it as it is the 223?

Thanks,
Possum
 
I assume you plan to load your own, if so, as stated above, the 22 BR would be the way to go. I shoot a Swift and did shoot custom 22-250 until the barrell vanished, had it rebarrelled in 22BR and I love it. Good brass available and easy to load. The 22 BR is a no brainer....try it and you will like it....
 
Shot the M70 Coyote .223WSSM..........

Last weekend, factory 64 gr. loads.........what's different from this initial firing is that every single time, almost needed both hands to lift bolt handle & retract bolt. None of my other 20 calibers are like this. Viewing the case body, there is heavy seisure noted by the scraches on metal surface....hope I will be strong enough to FL size in a Rock Chucker press soon. As for accuracy, can't tell yet, that was only shoot and clean break in. Sectioned that brass case and it has a very thick web and thick walls..........began annealing (but not loaded yet), much more difficult to get this brass to reach optimum temperature. Have 200 pcs. of new Federal brass to try next, they say it's a little lighter case.......r in s.
 
well thanks for all that input,, didn't expect to hear suchk bad news on the wssm's i had visited wssn zone board where the guys shot these things an all raved about it... got me a little confussed now,,
how it started after having a ,250 hummdinger put together i recently found 'bout the wssms.... like usual i'm last to hear about new stuff [old now but,, ] thouhgt it would be an interesting follow i guess i'll have to look into your [all] suggestions .,, i have to admit it sounded like best thing since the invention of napkins,,, lol's
 
Must agree with Jackie and Alinwa on bolt thrust in a factory action. Pls don't laugh, but I have a 358 wssm. (It was my effort to have a real rifle and meet Indiana's DNR specs for a handgun cartridges in a rifle,,,, it's legal!!) I envisioned 358 Win++ ballistics. Problem was I couldn't initially get the neck to even seal the chamber with out running into tight bolts, yet I showed zero pressure issues with the cases and primers. The brass is very thick and very hard. Barrel burning aside,,,,, the brass, bolt thrust, and barrel tenons are real issues with this case. I did minimize some of the issues, but not an ideal case to start with if you have options.

Something I have toyed with is doing a 22/6.5x47L. Run a 22-250AI reamer in .050 short. Use shortened AI dies, use Lapua brass. Understand they handle big pressure. Don't know how much better barrel life would be, but could probably get as much or more velocity with less powder.
 
Mark;
How did the accuracy of that case turn out???

Mike Swartz
 
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