1200 mile XBR test

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For anyone interested, I ran another test on XBR today. It was very interesting--at least if you're a ballistic nerd like me. If not, don't bore yourself with the remainder of this post.

I took my leftover ammo that I loaded on Sunday in the deluge at the Cactus and fired it for group and chronographed it too. It was loaded at 55 degrees and 100% humidity at 1630 foot elevation with 53 clicks of XBR. It was fired today at 65 degrees with 35% humidity at 4880 foot elevation. It clocked 3352 fps with a deviation of 9 fps. It shot very well for the windy conditions at the mouth of a canyon and I guessed it at a mid "one". I would say that if the conditions had been more civil, it would have shot every bit as small as it did in Phoenix.

So, with the same bullets, barrel, powder, primers, thrower, and setting of 53 clicks, I loaded up more ammo and fired it immediately after shooting the Cactus ammo. It clocked 3338 with a deviation of 2 fps. The group was still good given the conditions. It was probably a high "one".

Then I set up my Chargemaster and weighed what 53 clicks was throwing. In Phoenix, it was throwing 30.9 to 31.1 grains. Today, it threw 31.0 to 31.1.

Then I dropped down to 51.5 clicks and shot it. It gave a nice round group that seemed a little less wind sensitive and was around a mid "one". It clocked 3240 fps with a deviation of 11 fps.

Then for kicks, I took a different lot of XBR and threw 51.5 clicks with it and shot it. It was the best group of the day and clocked 3217 fps with a devation of 10 fps. Not too bad for lot to lot consistency with these two lots anyway.

So what does this mean? Well, I'm not sure. Except for the fact that ammo loaded 600 miles away in a totally different climate shot well at home too without much variation in accuracy attained or velocity measured. That being said, a load tuned for the conditions today did shoot better and it happened to be a charge that was backed down quite a bit from what worked in Phoenix on Sunday. But it was warmer today by ten degrees.

I guess it just goes to show that we still need to lug all the reloading equipment around to each match no matter what powder we use!

P.S. I would have brought all my targets home to measure them but they were too messy to bother with. The flys were out pretty thick today and they found some shelter from the wind on my target paper, and well, I couldn't resist!
 
Thanks for the information!

Jim,
I've been fooling with the BRX for about a year now. Last I shot it was in January and it was a mind numbing 45 degrees!!
My best groups came from 30.2 to 30.4 Have you tried this light of load?
Dave in St. George
 
Fly shooting

Jim
My brother got his first fly at 200, pretty incredible that these weapons we shoot can be that accurate! Amazing. Oh yeah thanks for adding to the confusion. I'm so lost right now, I need to sit down and have a talk with myself. See ya soon.

Marty
 
Jim,
I've been fooling with the BRX for about a year now. Last I shot it was in January and it was a mind numbing 45 degrees!!
My best groups came from 30.2 to 30.4 Have you tried this light of load?
Dave in St. George

Hey Dave. Good to hear from you! Yesterday, 30.1 grains shot amazingly well given our lovely Hobble Creek conditions bolstered by an approaching cold front. That load was easy on the brass, easy on the gun, and most importantly, easy on the shoulder!;) I'm liking it.
 
For anyone interested, I ran another test on XBR today. It was very interesting--at least if you're a ballistic nerd like me. If not, don't bore yourself with the remainder of this post.

I took my leftover ammo that I loaded on Sunday in the deluge at the Cactus and fired it for group and chronographed it too. It was loaded at 55 degrees and 100% humidity at 1630 foot elevation with 53 clicks of XBR. It was fired today at 65 degrees with 35% humidity at 4880 foot elevation. It clocked 3352 fps with a deviation of 9 fps. It shot very well for the windy conditions at the mouth of a canyon and I guessed it at a mid "one". I would say that if the conditions had been more civil, it would have shot every bit as small as it did in Phoenix.

So, with the same bullets, barrel, powder, primers, thrower, and setting of 53 clicks, I loaded up more ammo and fired it immediately after shooting the Cactus ammo. It clocked 3338 with a deviation of 2 fps. The group was still good given the conditions. It was probably a high "one".

Then I set up my Chargemaster and weighed what 53 clicks was throwing. In Phoenix, it was throwing 30.9 to 31.1 grains. Today, it threw 31.0 to 31.1.

Then I dropped down to 51.5 clicks and shot it. It gave a nice round group that seemed a little less wind sensitive and was around a mid "one". It clocked 3240 fps with a deviation of 11 fps.

Then for kicks, I took a different lot of XBR and threw 51.5 clicks with it and shot it. It was the best group of the day and clocked 3217 fps with a devation of 10 fps. Not too bad for lot to lot consistency with these two lots anyway.

So what does this mean? Well, I'm not sure. Except for the fact that ammo loaded 600 miles away in a totally different climate shot well at home too without much variation in accuracy attained or velocity measured. That being said, a load tuned for the conditions today did shoot better and it happened to be a charge that was backed down quite a bit from what worked in Phoenix on Sunday. But it was warmer today by ten degrees.

I guess it just goes to show that we still need to lug all the reloading equipment around to each match no matter what powder we use!

P.S. I would have brought all my targets home to measure them but they were too messy to bother with. The flys were out pretty thick today and they found some shelter from the wind on my target paper, and well, I couldn't resist!

Goodgrouper,
Rest assured, I am not just picking on you. BUT WOULD YOU PEOPLE STOP, READ STOP TALKING ABOUT LOADS IN CLICKS!!!!. IT MEANS NOTHING. DIFFERENT MEASURES DROP DIFFERENT IN CLICKS. DO YOU GET IT!!! IT IS NOT HIP, IT IS NOT SMART. IF YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT GRAINS.....DON'T POST IT. OK!!. Ok rant over.)chill()chill(;)

Donald
 
Can someone explain "wind sensitive"?

I have seen Goodgrouper and Jackie talk about powder being wind sensitive. I don't understand how the wind can effect the powder.
 
Goodgrouper,
Rest assured, I am not just picking on you. BUT WOULD YOU PEOPLE STOP, READ STOP TALKING ABOUT LOADS IN CLICKS!!!!. IT MEANS NOTHING. DIFFERENT MEASURES DROP DIFFERENT IN CLICKS. DO YOU GET IT!!! IT IS NOT HIP, IT IS NOT SMART. IF YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT GRAINS.....DON'T POST IT. OK!!. Ok rant over.)chill()chill(;)

Donald

Ahh, thus the following sentence from my post. It was lost in the middle and you must have skipped right over it: "Then I set up my Chargemaster and weighed what 53 clicks was throwing. In Phoenix, it was throwing 30.9 to 31.1 grains. Today, it threw 31.0 to 31.1."

;)
 
Goodgrouper,
Not to worry. Just had a bad day at the range yesterday. Could not get the new 30BR to shoot to my expectations. Decent, but thats about all. Shot 115 Bergers and 4198. Went to 33+ grains. Conditions were very decent. Also the 6ppc with a 13.5 Kreiger with about 500-600 rounds with the new XBR and 65 Bruno 00 BT about the same. ARGH!!! These danged guns are driving me crazy.:confused::confused:

I have been told it would be a short trip.

Donald
 
I have seen Goodgrouper and Jackie talk about powder being wind sensitive. I don't understand how the wind can effect the powder.

David,

when we talk about wind sensitivity of a load, we're talking about the given conditions causing the bullet to drift more than it should. The wind isn't directly affecting the powder itself. But the powder used, and more importantly, the amount of it, determines the bullet's rpm level. The velocity and resulting rpm are important to the bullet's flight characteristics because they determine how long the initial yaw of repose will last and the longer the bullet is in this yaw, the greater the wind's affect will be. By upping or lowering the powder charge, the bullet can be tuned to settle down as quickly as possible and decrease it's wind drift.
 
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