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Chism G
09-12-2018, 03:23 PM
As the story is told, an off duty Dallas Cop,with five years on the force, mistakenly entered the wrong apt, which she mistook for hers,and shot dead the occupant, who she thought was an intruder. Her Apt was actually located on a different level of the complex.

I share this news story because I know this is not the first time that this sort of thing has occurred.

Hitting the wrong address while on official duty, is one thing. Mistakenly entering an Apartment,that you think is yours, while off duty, and killing the legal occupant, is quite another.

The City is stuck with the Lawsuit in the first scenario. The off duty officer is not so fortunate. It all depends on the spin and smart Lawyering. I would not want to be in her shoes.

Just for grins, Years ago, I attended a mandatory in-house training session in Miami.Fla. On the way back to my room, from the Hotel lobby Bar, I mistakenly entered a hotel room, where a couple was making love. An honest mistake.The door was ajar and my judgment was slightly impaired. Tequila will do that. The couple didn’t seem to be bothered too much by my interruption. They covered themselves and gave me a dirty look. I apologized, for the intrusion, and hastily removed myself from their room. A little embarrassed. You Make that mistake once and you’ll never do it again. I was surprised to see the woman in my training class the following morning. She was an instructor.:eek: There was no indication that she even recognized me. But, then…..

Its been raining here everyday, off and on, for the last eight days. The nearby rifle ranges are soaked. While I wait for things to dry out,it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.



Glenn

pipeline60
09-12-2018, 03:56 PM
As the story is told, an off duty Dallas Cop,with five years on the force, mistakenly entered the wrong apt, which she mistook for hers,and shot dead the occupant, who she thought was an intruder. Her Apt was actually located on a different level of the complex.

I share this news story because I know this is not the first time that this sort of thing has occurred.

Hitting the wrong address while on official duty, is one thing. Mistakenly entering an Apartment,that you think is yours, while off duty, and killing the legal occupant, is quite another.

The City is stuck with the Lawsuit in the first scenario. The off duty officer is not so fortunate. It all depends on the spin and smart Lawyering. I would not want to be in her shoes.

Just for grins, Years ago, I attended a mandatory in-house training session in Miami.Fla. On the way back to my room, from the Hotel lobby Bar, I mistakenly entered a hotel room, where a couple was making love. An honest mistake.The door was ajar and my judgment was slightly impaired. Tequila will do that. The couple didn’t seem to be bothered too much by my interruption. They covered themselves and gave me a dirty look. I apologized, for the intrusion, and hastily removed myself from their room. A little embarrassed. You Make that mistake once and you’ll never do it again. I was surprised to see the woman in my training class the following morning. She was an instructor.:eek: There was no indication that she even recognized me. But, then…..

Its been raining here everyday, off and on, for the last eight days. The nearby rifle ranges are soaked. While I wait for things to dry out,it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.



Glenn
Is it just me or does something not seem quite right? Does anyone lock their doors? In an apartment complex in Dallas? So the guy is setting in his apartment with the door unlocked,,,,,the officer goes up to her door and it is unlocked,, and nothing. its a bad deal all the way around, but I bet "rest of the story" is interesting. JMHO

Dave Coots
09-12-2018, 05:02 PM
As the story is told, an off duty Dallas Cop,with five years on the force, mistakenly entered the wrong apt, which she mistook for hers,and shot dead the occupant, who she thought was an intruder. Her Apt was actually located on a different level of the complex.

I share this news story because I know this is not the first time that this sort of thing has occurred.

Hitting the wrong address while on official duty, is one thing. Mistakenly entering an Apartment,that you think is yours, while off duty, and killing the legal occupant, is quite another.

The City is stuck with the Lawsuit in the first scenario. The off duty officer is not so fortunate. It all depends on the spin and smart Lawyering. I would not want to be in her shoes.

Just for grins, Years ago, I attended a mandatory in-house training session in Miami.Fla. On the way back to my room, from the Hotel lobby Bar, I mistakenly entered a hotel room, where a couple was making love. An honest mistake.The door was ajar and my judgment was slightly impaired. Tequila will do that. The couple didn’t seem to be bothered too much by my interruption. They covered themselves and gave me a dirty look. I apologized, for the intrusion, and hastily removed myself from their room. A little embarrassed. You Make that mistake once and you’ll never do it again. I was surprised to see the woman in my training class the following morning. She was an instructor.:eek: There was no indication that she even recognized me. But, then…..

Its been raining here everyday, off and on, for the last eight days. The nearby rifle ranges are soaked. While I wait for things to dry out,it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.



Glenn

Of course she didn't recognize you the next day. You were drunk the night before. Tequila will do that. I tripped on some bushes in the middle of the sidewalk leaving the Mexican restaurant in Wadsworth a few years ago after a couple of margaritas. Friends won't forget that the next day.

Dave

alinwa
09-12-2018, 05:09 PM
As the story is told, an off duty Dallas Cop,with five years on the force, mistakenly entered the wrong apt, which she mistook for hers,and shot dead the occupant, who she thought was an intruder. Her Apt was actually located on a different level of the complex.

I share this news story because I know this is not the first time that this sort of thing has occurred.

Hitting the wrong address while on official duty, is one thing. Mistakenly entering an Apartment,that you think is yours, while off duty, and killing the legal occupant, is quite another.

The City is stuck with the Lawsuit in the first scenario. The off duty officer is not so fortunate. It all depends on the spin and smart Lawyering. I would not want to be in her shoes.

Just for grins, Years ago, I attended a mandatory in-house training session in Miami.Fla. On the way back to my room, from the Hotel lobby Bar, I mistakenly entered a hotel room, where a couple was making love. An honest mistake.The door was ajar and my judgment was slightly impaired. Tequila will do that. The couple didn’t seem to be bothered too much by my interruption. They covered themselves and gave me a dirty look. I apologized, for the intrusion, and hastily removed myself from their room. A little embarrassed. You Make that mistake once and you’ll never do it again. I was surprised to see the woman in my training class the following morning. She was an instructor.:eek: There was no indication that she even recognized me. But, then…..

Its been raining here everyday, off and on, for the last eight days. The nearby rifle ranges are soaked. While I wait for things to dry out,it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.



Glenn


"dirty look?"

Maybe I've spent my life in a different world but bangin' away with the door open is most often a "mistake" of another sort IME......

As far as the girl blundering in and shooting some guy in his own home...... cop or not there's simply zero defense for that IMO. I can't really see anything "playing out" unless girl starts all over with "I'd been seeing him for just over a year and alla'sudden he....."

Chism G
09-12-2018, 06:52 PM
I learned a long time ago, there is always a defense. It just takes a smart Lawyer to explain it to the Jury.

"Reasonable Doubt"




Glenn

alinwa
09-12-2018, 07:10 PM
I learned a long time ago, there is always a defense. It just takes a smart Lawyer to explain it to the Jury.

"Reasonable Doubt"




Glenn

Of course, you are exactly right.......

I was kinda' thinking "for sake of discussion," was in forum mode.........

My bad

On a slightly different but connected note. My wife and I have played this game for 30yrs where we walk out of a (weird/uncomfortable/surprising/scarey/un-normal) situation and while it's still fresh we "compare stories"....... sometimes have even gone so far as to "write a report".

absolutely fascinating how much we see EVERYTHING that happens differently, all of us, not just boys and girls.

Chism G
09-12-2018, 07:25 PM
Al..for the "sake of discussion", you are also correct. The Officer is in deep doo doo. acquittals dont necessarily exonerate the guilty in IMO. Case in point.... OJ Simpson.



Glenn

markharp
09-13-2018, 12:02 AM
Glenn, I'm guessing you have many stories you could tell from your very interesting career.

D Coots, I'm guessing you have many stories you could tell about exiting (or being forced to exit) mexican restaurants!

Doug Casner
09-13-2018, 10:43 AM
We may never know the rest of the story. She shot a guy in his apartment. I don't know how you could smooth that one over. If she thought she was in her apartment heaven help us. Theres way more good cops than bad cops, bad cops get all the publicity. There was an old saying goin around when I was a kid, cops have the best dope, makes you wonder. Doug

Louis.J
09-13-2018, 11:39 AM
https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/dallas-police-shooting-botham-jean.html

Wilbur
09-13-2018, 01:12 PM
Far second to the death is this...the leading remark in the article.....

"On September 6, a white Dallas police officer shot and killed her black neighbor inside his own Dallas apartment, reigniting, once again, the debate around police racism and brutality in the U.S."

I'll ask rhetorically...how could this event possibly be related to racism and brutality?

antelopedundee
09-13-2018, 01:30 PM
As the story is told, an off duty Dallas Cop,with five years on the force, mistakenly entered the wrong apt, which she mistook for hers,and shot dead the occupant, who she thought was an intruder. Her Apt was actually located on a different level of the complex.

I share this news story because I know this is not the first time that this sort of thing has occurred.

Hitting the wrong address while on official duty, is one thing. Mistakenly entering an Apartment,that you think is yours, while off duty, and killing the legal occupant, is quite another.

The City is stuck with the Lawsuit in the first scenario. The off duty officer is not so fortunate. It all depends on the spin and smart Lawyering. I would not want to be in her shoes.

Just for grins, Years ago, I attended a mandatory in-house training session in Miami.Fla. On the way back to my room, from the Hotel lobby Bar, I mistakenly entered a hotel room, where a couple was making love. An honest mistake.The door was ajar and my judgment was slightly impaired. Tequila will do that. The couple didn’t seem to be bothered too much by my interruption. They covered themselves and gave me a dirty look. I apologized, for the intrusion, and hastily removed myself from their room. A little embarrassed. You Make that mistake once and you’ll never do it again. I was surprised to see the woman in my training class the following morning. She was an instructor.:eek: There was no indication that she even recognized me. But, then…..

Its been raining here everyday, off and on, for the last eight days. The nearby rifle ranges are soaked. While I wait for things to dry out,it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.



Glenn

My understanding is that if the police have probable cause [even if acting on an anonymous tip] and they show up at the wrong address and kill someone that they won't be held responsible. I believe that's the way that courts have ruled in these matters.

adamsgt
09-13-2018, 02:09 PM
From what I've read in the local newspapers, the officer got off the elevator on the wrong floor and entered what she thought was her apartment. She actually was in the apartment above hers. Tenants have key cards and when she inserted hers the force of her inserting her card caused the door to open because it was not completely closed. Her statement was that she saw a large dark figure in shadow. She gave verbal commands and the figure did not respond. She then shot him twice. Shot to his torso killed him. No mention of him doing anything to provoke the shooting.

There have been recent police shooting of unarmed people who made some motion the police felt threatening and killed them. Seems like some police are too quick on the trigger. I think the Daniel Shaver case was in that category. Also the one where a guy was "swatted" by someone else and when the police showed up this totally innocent unarmed man was standing in his doorway and was shot and killed by a police sniper because of an arm movement. I'm continually hiking up my pants so I guess that makes me susceptible to being blown away by a cop who thinks I'm going for a gun. I guess I'd better stop carrying.

adamsgt
09-13-2018, 02:17 PM
My understanding is that if the police have probable cause [even if acting on an anonymous tip] and they show up at the wrong address and kill someone that they won't be held responsible. I believe that's the way that courts have ruled in these matters.

The term is, I believe, is "Qualified Immunity".

The problem with this is that it establishes that the life of the police officer is considered more valuable than yours.
Here's a link to the police body cam video of the Daniel Shaver killing https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=daniel+shaver+unedited+video

alinwa
09-13-2018, 03:29 PM
https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/dallas-police-shooting-botham-jean.html

puh-leeeze Louis :)

our news feeds too show what the news stations want us to read.....as Wilbur pointed out, they're mostly just using stories like this to further an agenda promoting the idea that alla' we's workin' folks is racis' ......

dmort
09-13-2018, 03:57 PM
puh-leeeze Louis :)

our news feeds too show what the news stations want us to read.....as Wilbur pointed out, they're mostly just using stories like this to further an agenda promoting the idea that alla' we's workin' folks is racis' ......

I would not have expected anything different from the media. That's just how it is.

Mort

Chism G
09-13-2018, 04:30 PM
My understanding is that if the police have probable cause [even if acting on an anonymous tip] and they show up at the wrong address and kill someone that they won't be held responsible. I believe that's the way that courts have ruled in these matters.



Its my understanding that there is no guaranteed ruling in these cases. Each case is decided, individually , on its own merits.

As Jerry points out, the "qualified immunity" defense may or may not apply. I've been out of the loop for quite awhile now. There may have been some recent changes.


Glenn

Chism G
09-13-2018, 04:47 PM
Far second to the death is this...the leading remark in the article.....

"On September 6, a white Dallas police officer shot and killed her black neighbor inside his own Dallas apartment, reigniting, once again, the debate around police racism and brutality in the U.S."

I'll ask rhetorically...how could this event possibly be related to racism and brutality?



Just for the sake of discussion.

Unfortunately we live in a society where there is no lack of experts on the subject of what is and what isn’t Police racism/brutality.

As others have pointed out, A Liberal newsletter/magazine with a board of directors headed by a Maxine Waters clone, will not pass up the opportunity to share their expert opinion.

I don’t remember seeing any such articles in local newspapers here in the Dallas area. Oh.I haven’t checked todays paper.

It appears that The City is working hard at trying to answer the question, “what actually happened”.


Glenn

JDMock
09-13-2018, 07:06 PM
Glenn, perhaps you could tell the story of the Doberman or maybe not. I heard it from Arnold Jewell and you may want to correct the record. James

adamsgt
09-13-2018, 07:08 PM
What I've read is that initially the Dallas police were going to issue a warrant for manslaughter against the officer. However, a decision by the police to turn the investigation over to the Texas Rangers resulted in the Rangers telling the police to hold off on any warrants until they had conducted their investigation.

Chism G
09-13-2018, 08:42 PM
Glenn, perhaps you could tell the story of the Doberman or maybe not. I heard it from Arnold Jewell and you may want to correct the record. James




Arnold Jewell. That toothless Aviator. His version of the story is funnier than mine.

Haven't seen him in a long time.


Glenn

Chism G
09-13-2018, 08:52 PM
What I've read is that initially the Dallas police were going to issue a warrant for manslaughter against the officer. However, a decision by the police to turn the investigation over to the Texas Rangers resulted in the Rangers telling the police to hold off on any warrants until they had conducted their investigation.


Yep, looks like the proper thing to do. It eliminates the possible appearance of Bias. Takes some of the heat off DPD.


Glenn

Louis.J
09-14-2018, 11:05 AM
I don't have an opinion I just shared the first link I came across.

JLouis