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Pete Wass
02-11-2018, 04:48 PM
I just went to the UBR site and could not find anything that describes match procedures. Are there any? I understand there is no membership involved in UBR, is that correct?

Thanks,

Pete

Greyfox
02-11-2018, 05:03 PM
I just went to the UBR site and could not find anything that describes match procedures. Are there any? I understand there is no membership involved in UBR, is that correct?

Thanks,

Pete

You are correct. Membership is for the range that holds matches. While a $2 per shooter fee is assessed and paid by the range/match director there is currently no membership required for an individual. Anyone can come to a match, participate and acquire SSOY points.

Danny can clarify this is he sees it and chooses, but I can maybe come close. In some cases UBR rules diverge from the other two large organizations. This would include scoring and classes of rifles. When a rule is not specified the default is the IBS rule. We are a very young organization that does not collect membership fees and so, doesn't have $$ to spend a lot of time and effort making/printing rules. For the most part IBS and NBRSA have done a very good job of making rules that work. We felt no need to reinvent the wheel.

Pete, did you have a specific question about match procedures. I've probably run more UBR matches than anyone else, so maybe I can help. you. Maybe not.

Rick

Pete Wass
02-11-2018, 05:20 PM
You are correct. Membership is for the range that holds matches. While a $2 per shooter fee is assessed and paid by the range/match director there is currently no membership required for an individual. Anyone can come to a match, participate and acquire SSOY points.

Danny can clarify this is he sees it and chooses, but I can maybe come close. In some cases UBR rules diverge from the other two large organizations. This would include scoring and classes of rifles. When a rule is not specified the default is the IBS rule. We are a very young organization that does not collect membership fees and so, doesn't have $$ to spend a lot of time and effort making/printing rules. For the most part IBS and NBRSA have done a very good job of making rules that work. We felt no need to reinvent the wheel.

Pete, did you have a specific question about match procedures. I've probably run more UBR matches than anyone else, so maybe I can help. you. Maybe not.

Rick

Well yes, I thought you guys might have come to your senses and run things like the RF Orgs do regarding wind flags, being able to go down range and those sort of things. I find IBS and NBRSA to be shooter unfriendly when it comes to the windflag rules, for instance. I don't understand why a shooting org would want to make the process so restrictive, like they have done. Some of the things those two orgs do make no sense. Membership being one of them. It sure is nice to be able to adjust one's' windflags or to pick them up if they are blown over in the RF Orgs. Doesn't seem to harm their matches in any way nor does it harm a damn thing for shooters to run their own targets in regular matches. Sure helps the lad running them though. Restrictive rules don't enhance things, in my point of view.

That's about it.

Pete

Its no wonder why other orgs have sprung up over the years. The Rules have frequently been quoted as the main reason.

Greyfox
02-11-2018, 07:14 PM
Well yes, I thought you guys might have come to your senses and run things like the RF Orgs do regarding wind flags, being able to go down range and those sort of things. I find IBS and NBRSA to be shooter unfriendly when it comes to the windflag rules, for instance. I don't understand why a shooting org would want to make the process so restrictive, like they have done. Some of the things those two orgs do make no sense. Membership being one of them. It sure is nice to be able to adjust one's' windflags or to pick them up if they are blown over in the RF Orgs. Doesn't seem to harm their matches in any way nor does it harm a damn thing for shooters to run their own targets in regular matches. Sure helps the lad running them though. Restrictive rules don't enhance things, in my point of view.

That's about it.

Pete

Its no wonder why other orgs have sprung up over the years. The Rules have frequently been quoted as the main reason.

I don't obsess over wind flags, but I'm not fond of folks wandering around past the firing line either. At big matches we default to IBS rules. I'm not familiar with rimfire rules. One range where I shoot does have shooters running their own targets. It wouldn't be practical at the two matches I run.

Rick

Bill Gammon
02-12-2018, 10:27 AM
I don't obsess over wind flags, but I'm not fond of folks wandering around past the firing line either. At big matches we default to IBS rules. I'm not familiar with rimfire rules. One range where I shoot does have shooters running their own targets. It wouldn't be practical at the two matches I run.

Rick

As "GOD" is my witness, I have seen a competitor push a 30 cal into a 6mm to make it bigger. This was with the competitor retrieving his own target. The person running the matches saw it also. Not wanting to confront him in person, on the next match, he had a person retrieve the targets. That shooter never showed up again. I know this has nothing against existing rules, but they are there for a reason.

mwezell
02-14-2018, 06:06 PM
hey Rick,,I started to email you but since this thread is here I will ask here ,,I was looking at new rear bags and saw this front bag Edgewood is making that is legal in NBRSA ,would it be good to go in UBR or not since it isnt in IBS ??? I am not gonna buy one if it is against the rules in a match..

http://www.edgebag.com/nfrnt1.JPG

I am gonna try and get up to Two Brothers and shoot with yall in March,,if I dont make it in March I will see yall in April,,,,the Dr`s got my shoulder loosened up and I am gonna try and get back shooting ,,new barrel be here tomorrow and gotta make new brass so maybe I can get there in March.

I'm not Rick but I'm gonna put my 2 cents in on this subject and I hope you don't mind, because it's important to me.

I'm not sure about NBRSA but the short range IBS rule is or was that the gun should be able to be lifted straight up from the rest. This is a rule that they seldom enforced while I shot IBS. I saw it once. On top of that, it's somewhat subjective.

One of the things that I like about UBR is that we have very few rules like that. It leaves things like this open to experimentation without changing the "game", per se.

I think that it should be a legal bag in all classes. JMHO. I like the way the equipment rules are, as written. Very simple, as I think they should be.

3 In. forearm, 13.5 lbs., no one piece rests, and 30 cal and under, in all but unlimited class.

Jerry Dailey
02-15-2018, 10:15 AM
The lift law was an NBRSA rule as well. I remember Wilbur Harris, that's the one and the same, walking down the line at Rachel's Glen and lifting the rifles on the line.
Personally, I never saw the need for that rule as I have never seen a rifle jump on recoil and if the front bag was that tight, it didn't do all that well.
This brings up another point, that being don't make rules you can't enforce lest you lose volunteer refs.

I was there and Mickey called you his "favorite Yankee" also seen him do it at other ranges. He even had a device that slipped over the forearm to make sure the stock was no more than 3" To flip the coin he helped many shooter including me, to do his best. PS was that your brother who shot that crazy shot.?

mr.big
02-15-2018, 12:41 PM
it is my understanding that NBRSA took that rule out of the book in the last couple years and you could use that bag if you wanted,,,it may not work to any advantage at all but if it was such a big a deal that it was against the rules makes me wonder if it would help or not,,,probably Edgewood just tryin to make a buck selling some new bags...

Steve Kostanich
02-15-2018, 05:25 PM
Way back when up here in the NW we shot what we called a Vee rest top. It was simply an 8" piece of 1"x1" angle iron with a section cut out of the middle and then the cut-out was pulled together to form a Vee, and welded solid. Then a piece of leather was rolled around a 1" dowel and contact cemented into a tube, slid off the dowel , one end glued shut , filled with sand and that end cemented shut. The sand filled tube was forced into the angle iron Vee and a piece of leather was laced over it to hold it in place. Really worked good, and was easy to make.

It was subsequently deemed illegal because it was claimed to provided "return to battery " guidance on a varmint rifle. Hell it was way before windage tops and the classy rests we have now. It certainly did not provide any more return to battery than rests currently being used.

Probably would not be very popular today,but we sure felt dumped on when it was outlawed. This was sometime in the late'70's or early '80's.

FWIW

Steve Kostanich

Wilbur
02-17-2018, 06:02 AM
That shot that went through backwards is, and will be, a complete mystery. For those that didn't see it, there was a shot that had every appearance of being shot into the back of the target. No, the target didn't blow backwards...but it had 4 shots going one way and 1 shot going the other as evidenced by the black ring.

LW Moore
02-20-2018, 01:32 PM
Saw this once at Braxton WV, prone smallbore match. It was my target as well at 100 yards. there was an unexplained hole coming back through in the 5 ring. Since there are woods behind the target my thoughts were a ratchet, but most felt it was far to round of a hole for a bounce back.. Finial thoughts were, someone was up in those woods armed and fired back........