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Hal
10-02-2017, 08:34 AM
Such a sad day for our country.

Pray for the people in Las Vegas.

Hal

Dave Coots
10-02-2017, 12:14 PM
For sure Hal. Hard to believe.

Later
Dave

jackie schmidt
10-02-2017, 02:05 PM
It's difficult to understand what would compel a person to carry out such a heinous crime.

Louis.J
10-02-2017, 05:34 PM
Amen Jackie
Its also sad and quite heartless to see the left already trying to politize it instead of grieving for the victims and families.

vtmarmot
10-02-2017, 10:23 PM
The question that comes back to me over and over is what has happened over the last 50 years or so to make it possible for a person's brain to conceive of such a horrific act? A guy at work today reminded me that when we were kids, you could buy a fully functional .50 caliber machine gun from an ad in the back of a comic book. That may have been an exaggeration, but it wasn't far off. We didn't have these kinds of events with such regularity back then.

Is it chemicals in the water, in our medicine cabinets, in the food? Is it a steady erosion of morality or belief in God? Is it a desire to go out in a blaze of social media glory? Whatever it is, something is very different.

TheoW
10-03-2017, 12:56 AM
The only thing that has not been considered is the ever increasing population. People need food and it's in short supply. The seas are overfished, farmland is smaller in order to create more housing, etc. The rich get richer and the poor have more children. In any event it's something to consider as we try to avoid the senseless road to war and the increasing atomic threats.

Just thinking,
Ted

PS......I forgot to mention different beliefs.

mturner
10-03-2017, 01:24 AM
Is it chemicals in the water, in our medicine cabinets, in the food? Is it a steady erosion of morality or belief in God? Is it a desire to go out in a blaze of social media glory? Whatever it is, something is very different.

All of the above.

Michael

antelopedundee
10-03-2017, 09:47 AM
The question that comes back to me over and over is what has happened over the last 50 years or so to make it possible for a person's brain to conceive of such a horrific act? A guy at work today reminded me that when we were kids, you could buy a fully functional .50 caliber machine gun from an ad in the back of a comic book. That may have been an exaggeration, but it wasn't far off. We didn't have these kinds of events with such regularity back then.

Is it chemicals in the water, in our medicine cabinets, in the food? Is it a steady erosion of morality or belief in God? Is it a desire to go out in a blaze of social media glory? Whatever it is, something is very different.

This. AR-15 type weapons have been available to the public since the mid 60s, yet it's only been in recent years that they have started to become a weapon of choice for criminals. As far back as I can remember, guns were fairly readily accessible, but nobody used them for the type of carnage we see now. Back in the early 70s when I was in grad school in Milwaukee, I rode a train from Winona, MN to Milwaukee. With me I had 3 long guns wrapped in a blanket. Upon arriving in Milwaukee, I walked a couple blocks, hopped onto a public bus to my apartment. Not a word was said about my luggage the entire time.

There seems to be a big change in societal evolution the last 50 years that isn't for the better.

Doug Casner
10-03-2017, 12:00 PM
Don't forget those ARs were modified to shoot full auto. That S.O.B. was a smart physco. He didn't walk into the crowd of people and start shooting. He was on perch where nobody could get to him until he had killed a bunch of folks. That's the worst kind. That is not a compliment. Now the gun control crowd has already started those poor folks aren't even buried yet. Its always the guns fault. Doug

Chism G
10-03-2017, 01:10 PM
Could it be a streak of bad luck at the Poker table? Its conceivable.

The Press,as usual, is sensationalizing this atrocity for its own gains. (RATINGS). The Politicians will follow with their twisted interpretation of societal ills. Millions of tax payer dollars will be spent, trying to explain/prevent a problem that can’t be fixed.


Glenn

Zebra13
10-03-2017, 01:51 PM
The question that comes back to me over and over is what has happened over the last 50 years or so to make it possible for a person's brain to conceive of such a horrific act? A guy at work today reminded me that when we were kids, you could buy a fully functional .50 caliber machine gun from an ad in the back of a comic book. That may have been an exaggeration, but it wasn't far off. We didn't have these kinds of events with such regularity back then.

Is it chemicals in the water, in our medicine cabinets, in the food? Is it a steady erosion of morality or belief in God? Is it a desire to go out in a blaze of social media glory? Whatever it is, something is very different.

vtmarmot,

I've thought about what you're alluding to for years. Years ago, you used to be able to buy a gun through the mail. There were handguns with high-capacity magazines. There were no waiting periods or background checks. There weren't mass shootings. So what changed?

Us. We did.

As society has gotten more "progressive" (read liberal)...and nobody can argue that it hasn't...we've lost our moral True North. Behaviors that were unconscionable 50 years ago, are commonplace today. Men, deciding that they're a woman for the day, and using the women's rest room. Bruce Jenner gets a "courage" award for becoming a trans-testicle. We legalize abortion and give an ugly happening like taking the life of a child the euphemism of "choice". This countries tolerance for crime and criminals is appalling. We think people who sell heroin to our children shouldn't go to prison because it is a "Non-violent drug crime" (anybody who thinks the drug world is non-violent has their head up their ass). People who steal others hard-earned property shouldn't go to prison because it is a "Non-violent property crime". We've declared war on our police, accuse them of "systemic racism" but offer no proof, yet won't admit to, or address, the dysfunction in the black community (Can't offend them...have to keep them voting democratic). Those who are smart, successful, and rich are demonized, labeled greedy, and the public is told they are not doing "their fair share" (despite employing God knows how many people, and paying an exorbitant amount in taxes). We are ill-equipping our children for real life by insisting that everybody get participation trophies, and that there are no winners and losers. They never realize that there are going to be people in life that are smarter, better looking, more athletic, are going to have more money, and have the head cheerleader for a girlfriend. And when they "grow up" and encounter real life, they have no idea how to deal with it, get disgruntled, and start assigning blame elsewhere. Or worse. Professional athletes kneel during the playing of the National Anthem in protest of perceived mistreatment and it's "courageous", but when the President takes them to task for it and defends the flag and National Anthem, it's "divisive". If you disagree with the party of "tolerance" on a subject, you are labeled "intolerant", a "racist", and accused of "hate" (The left have "opinions". The right has "biases" and "prejudices". They are tolerant, though...as long as you agree with them lock-step). And, thanks to the left, it has become the era of irresponsibility. Nobody takes blame for their actions. It's Bush's fault. It's Trump's fault. It's the Republicans fault. It's the gun's fault, not the shooter (You see, his mommy didn't hug him enough). It's the rich people's fault. It's the cop's fault. It's "white privilege's" fault. It's society's fault. It is somebody, or something else's fault, never assigning blame to that which rightly deserves it. If you say something over and over, eventually people take it as the truth.

I could go on and on...

That, in my humble opinion, is what changed.


Justin

Butch Lambert
10-03-2017, 06:42 PM
Forget about losses at the tables. He transferred a lot of money to the Philippines.
If you check the facts-54% more guns since 1994 and 49% less gun homicides.
We just have a big moral decay in our country.

JerrySharrett
10-03-2017, 07:46 PM
I was just on YouTube about 30 minutes ago looking at a Kevin Van Dam bass fishing video. Along the edge there was a video calling the Las Vegas shooting a false flag. I clicked on that and up popped several more videos about the shooting being a false flag operation. Looked further and found about two dozen videos along the same tilt??

.WTFGO?

.

dmort
10-03-2017, 08:14 PM
Justin
You are right on

Mort

Chism G
10-03-2017, 09:10 PM
At this early stage in the investigation, its important for Law Enforcement to identify a motive, in order to channel resources in the right direction. (Basic investigator training)


The fact that the perpetrator transferred money to an unknown recipient prior to the incident does not eliminate the possibility that he was a Compulsive Gambler. According to the experts, Compulsive Gambling is an addiction that can cause severe mental break down. This guy probably stopped going to Gamblers anonymous meetings a long time ago.

Many years ago,I lost money in a Las Vegas Casino. More money than I could afford to lose.

I can tell you the depression lasted a long time. I have not gambled like that since.




http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/dxc-20258394


Glenn

zippy06
10-03-2017, 09:22 PM
Don't forget those ARs were modified to shoot full auto. That S.O.B. was a smart physco. He didn't walk into the crowd of people and start shooting. He was on perch where nobody could get to him until he had killed a bunch of folks. That's the worst kind. That is not a compliment. Now the gun control crowd has already started those poor folks aren't even buried yet. Its always the guns fault. Doug

Bump stock. Go to youtube. And listen to the vids.....Bump stock totally legal. Till he started to murder people.....

mturner
10-03-2017, 09:23 PM
Maybe I'm not supposed to say this on here, but look at what is always covered up by the media. Isis quickly claimed responsibility for the shooting, saying that Stephen Paddock had converted over to Islam within the last few months. If this is truly the reason behind the mass shooting, our country better wake up.

Michael

zippy06
10-03-2017, 09:29 PM
[QUOTE=antelopedundee;801073]This. AR-15 type weapons have been available to the public since the mid 60s, yet it's only been in recent years that they have started to become a weapon of choice for criminals.

BS leftist lie. Rifles are used in very few crimes. 5-8%. It's just the first step to full confiscation.
Ever wonder, why in a big drug bust, the cops always display the guns? And no one was shoot or killed. The guns are to protect from others stealing the drugs. Not to shoot the cops. It's very rare to hear about a shoot out with drug suppliers. Bad for business. And the druggies never go to jail for the gun crimes....

zippy06
10-03-2017, 09:39 PM
Maybe I'm not supposed to say this on here, but look at what is always covered up by the media. Isis quickly claimed responsibility for the shooting, saying that Stephen Paddock had converted over to Islam within the last few months. If this is truly the reason behind the mass shooting, our country better wake up.

Michael
ISIS has it's own News Org/wire system. And it is almost always correct. They have said they can't trust the DRIVE BYS to report the news accurately...

Funny thing.....I am sure some have heard this before.
FBI says not ISIS or a democrat.
12 hours have past....
But, the Feds(all of them) are sure there was collusion in the election. Comey said the FBI was not even doing an investigation....After Comey gets fired, Now we have a FULL BLOWN BS INVESTIGATION.
I hope Jeff Sessions takes all of the Mueller reports and gives them to a bunch of Conservative hacks and starts prosecuting the DNC and everyone involved....He will need a BIG ASS JAIL.

So how about Election fraud. Is that political?

murray brook
10-03-2017, 10:11 PM
vtmarmot,

I've thought about what you're alluding to for years. Years ago, you used to be able to buy a gun through the mail. There were handguns with high-capacity magazines. There were no waiting periods or background checks. There weren't mass shootings. So what changed?

Us. We did.

As society has gotten more "progressive" (read liberal)...and nobody can argue that it hasn't...we've lost our moral True North. Behaviors that were unconscionable 50 years ago, are commonplace today. Men, deciding that they're a woman for the day, and using the women's rest room. Bruce Jenner gets a "courage" award for becoming a trans-testicle. We legalize abortion and give an ugly happening like taking the life of a child the euphemism of "choice". This countries tolerance for crime and criminals is appalling. We think people who sell heroin to our children shouldn't go to prison because it is a "Non-violent drug crime" (anybody who thinks the drug world is non-violent has their head up their ass). People who steal others hard-earned property shouldn't go to prison because it is a "Non-violent property crime". We've declared war on our police, accuse them of "systemic racism" but offer no proof, yet won't admit to, or address, the dysfunction in the black community (Can't offend them...have to keep them voting democratic). Those who are smart, successful, and rich are demonized, labeled greedy, and the public is told they are not doing "their fair share" (despite employing God knows how many people, and paying an exorbitant amount in taxes). We are ill-equipping our children for real life by insisting that everybody get participation trophies, and that there are no winners and losers. They never realize that there are going to be people in life that are smarter, better looking, more athletic, are going to have more money, and have the head cheerleader for a girlfriend. And when they "grow up" and encounter real life, they have no idea how to deal with it, get disgruntled, and start assigning blame elsewhere. Or worse. Professional athletes kneel during the playing of the National Anthem in protest of perceived mistreatment and it's "courageous", but when the President takes them to task for it and defends the flag and National Anthem, it's "divisive". If you disagree with the party of "tolerance" on a subject, you are labeled "intolerant", a "racist", and accused of "hate" (The left have "opinions". The right has "biases" and "prejudices". They are tolerant, though...as long as you agree with them lock-step). And, thanks to the left, it has become the era of irresponsibility. Nobody takes blame for their actions. It's Bush's fault. It's Trump's fault. It's the Republicans fault. It's the gun's fault, not the shooter (You see, his mommy didn't hug him enough). It's the rich people's fault. It's the cop's fault. It's "white privilege's" fault. It's society's fault. It is somebody, or something else's fault, never assigning blame to that which rightly deserves it. If you say something over and over, eventually people take it as the truth.

I could go on and on...

That, in my humble opinion, is what changed.


Justin

Very Very well said

vtmarmot
10-03-2017, 10:23 PM
Yes, Justin got the bulk of it down.

To complete the "world turned upside down" scenario, seems now the NRA is a racist and terrorist organization, at least in the minds of some.

JerrySharrett
10-04-2017, 11:34 AM
On a recent news program Laura Ingram explained the Judge Roy Moore events where this recent Georgia Senate winner was fired TWICE from judgeships for bringing his 10 Commandments plaque into the office.

Is this not a valid explanation of where we have let American society degrade?

.

Doug Casner
10-04-2017, 12:30 PM
Tim, Im just getting back on here. That bump stock is a after market part isn't it. Neither one of my ARs will shoot that fast. Anytime you put after market on something its modification to me legal or illegal. To me that aint the problem. The nut behind the stock. You get the same old faces that turn up everytime theres a gun crime. Chuck and Nancy, Giffords,all the late nite tv show fools. Hell Scalise said no more gun control.

Bill Wynne
10-04-2017, 01:27 PM
There are types of guns on the market that I wish were not but they are. There are types of people that I wish were not amoung us but they are.

I have several rifles that I highly prize and a favorite that means a great deal to me. I would destroy every firearm that I have without a second thought if I believed it would stop crime but I know better so I will keep them.

As great as our country is the people in Washington cannot completly protect us.

Concho Bill

GerryM
10-04-2017, 03:19 PM
ITS SAD AND AMAZING TO see how much fake news gets out before an investigation'

It seems the news these days is pure speculation even fox news''.

Lets see what comes out in the investigation.

I have a few questions myself as to what where why and how?

One is how did he manage to get all of that would be deadly equipment up to his room without help?

T here must have been a pretty fair amount of luggage to carry .

Personally I think there was more then one person involved due to 2 windows broken. and more then one perch from the news photo,s

zippy06
10-04-2017, 08:57 PM
Tim, Im just getting back on here. That bump stock is a after market part isn't it. Neither one of my ARs will shoot that fast. Anytime you put after market on something its modification to me legal or illegal. To me that aint the problem. The nut behind the stock. You get the same old faces that turn up everytime theres a gun crime. Chuck and Nancy, Giffords,all the late nite tv show fools. Hell Scalise said no more gun control.

Yep. After market.
The basic product is still a semi-auto.......And it really does not matter. The pro/lib/commie/NAZI/defeatocrat/loser/butt hurt snow flakes are coming for every ones firearms. Unless, you are one of the "Elite"/hollywood/govt/dc elite/swamp.....
Hey, just look at Biden's motor cads when he was VP. They ran over their own escorts on 3 occasions, killed 4 pedestrians, and had countless accidents.
And all Joe could do was laugh at the guy in the wheelchair......berry's motor cads did the same....Only found in local newspaper.
Michigan told berry and his crew to stay out. Detroit "Civil Rights Leaders" told berry, biden, al sharpton, jesse jackson to stay out....

zippy06
10-04-2017, 09:00 PM
ITS SAD AND AMAZING TO see how much fake news gets out before an investigation'

It seems the news these days is pure speculation even fox news''.

Lets see what comes out in the investigation.

I have a few questions myself as to what where why and how?

One is how did he manage to get all of that would be deadly equipment up to his room without help?

T here must have been a pretty fair amount of luggage to carry .

Personally I think there was more then one person involved due to 2 windows broken. and more then one perch from the news photo,s

Gerry. Apparently the guy was loaded. As you know money pays for a lot of sins.
Roman Polanski comes to mind....He likes to rape little boys and girls.......

Wilbur
10-05-2017, 01:25 AM
Bill - I'm somewhat guilty of thinking the same way as you but the guns we don't think should be allowed actually fit the second amendment wording more so than a single shot Benchrest rifle. Just sayin'.

Andy Cross
10-05-2017, 07:09 AM
This may be a small consolation but I am glad this criminal wasn't able to obtain a mini gun or something similar. The sheer thought horrifies more than what has happened.

JerrySharrett
10-05-2017, 07:23 AM
Bill - I'm somewhat guilty of thinking the same way as you but the guns we don't think should be allowed actually fit the second amendment wording more so than a single shot Benchrest rifle. Just sayin'.


Guys and gals, since about the turn of the twentieth century there has been this element taking control of "essentials" such as our banks, our news and information systems (CNN,CBS, MSNBC, NYTimes, etc), even created Hollywood! Every crisis such as this recent Las Vegas event, they use these "shocks" to try to disarm the law abiding. Some of this methodology is described in Naomi Kline's "Shock Doctrine". Things like 9/11. Shocking events where we would want to be secure rather than free. Was it Benny Franklin said that "those who would give up freedom for temporary security".... or something like that.

The thing required by us law abiding is to stay vigil and elect and support the proper people,, folks like this newly elected Alabama Senator Judge Roy Moore.

(Oop, this could get political.....so don't use a Bump Stock???)

.




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Louis.J
10-05-2017, 12:56 PM
News mentioned Calif. as being one of the places he puchased rifles. Back ground checks are mandatory as is the waiting period and you have to be a resident. Not sure how he could have pulled that one off so their is more to it than is being said.
Wilbur I totaly agree with your statement and the first time I have heard it put that way.

Bill Wynne
10-05-2017, 01:08 PM
Wilbur, I am often amazed by your wisdom and dry wit. The best flintlocks of the time the "Bill of Rights" was written would not be much protection today.

Concho Bill

Louis.J
10-05-2017, 02:15 PM
To accumulate his Calif. purchases not being a resident one might tend to think he had a dealers license. He surely had the monetary means and the lack of a record to be able to procure one. Amonia Nitrate also requires a very stringent Ag. license out this way and it makes one wonder how he was able to purchase it.

Andy Cross
10-05-2017, 07:55 PM
To accumulate his Calif. purchases not being a resident one might tend to think he had a dealers license. He surely had the monetary means and the lack of a record to be able to procure one. Amonia Nitrate also requires a very stringent Ag. license out this way and it makes one wonder how he was able to purchase it.

From what an organic chemist has told me nitric acid and ammonia are readily available in industrial quantities. It's a more complex and messy way of making the compound but doable.

Louis.J
10-05-2017, 09:17 PM
Thank you it sounds like there is a work around for just about anything now days Andy to be found on the Internet or possibly otherwise and thankfully he was not able to use it as he planned.

GerryM
10-05-2017, 09:52 PM
I guess we are back to square one on some things
Since cane and able bad people have done bad things,

I doubt any law would have prevented the outcome.

I still think after a few days that there is more to this then what the news has said so far.

I think other people are involved If the investigation continues and is done properly i believe other things may come out.

Seeing he had other ways to do his mayhem he may have done even more carnage .

I hope they continue the investigations.

Louis.J
10-05-2017, 10:24 PM
I could only hope their findings are open and truthful while knowing full well some of it will end up being highly classified and probably rightfully or wrongfully being so. This country has never been one to nip all the wrong doings in the bud. The Libs. have taken it upon themselves to provide more rights to the unmorale criminal element instead of the law abiding morale. A perfect example of yet more to come was the signing by Gov. Brown in Ca. taking it upon himself to sign in making this state a Sancutuary state today. One could only hope the Federal Govt. would now cut off all of their funding as no one I have spoke with agrees to such a thing. The real problem is the Fake News would now convince everyone living here to beleave otherwise and how does one get around them doing just that we really do not have a televised say in the matter.

JLouis

GerryM
10-10-2017, 12:56 PM
since the ending of the death penalty criminals have become bolder. Knowing they will only be jailed instead of being executed.

It has made hard core criminals bolder. liberals and some churches has made us change our laws.

Maybe it's its time to rethink the death penalty ' Knowing one could only get life in prison encourages things like this.

brickeyee
10-10-2017, 07:46 PM
since the ending of the death penalty criminals have become bolder. Knowing they will only be jailed instead of being executed.

It has made hard core criminals bolder. liberals and some churches has made us change our laws.

Maybe it's its time to rethink the death penalty ' Knowing one could only get life in prison encourages things like this.

Many states still have capital punishment as an option.

adamsgt
10-10-2017, 11:52 PM
since the ending of the death penalty criminals have become bolder. Knowing they will only be jailed instead of being executed.

It has made hard core criminals bolder. liberals and some churches has made us change our laws.

Maybe it's its time to rethink the death penalty ' Knowing one could only get life in prison encourages things like this.

When I lived in upstate New York Dannemora State prison was about thirty miles away. There was one prisoner there who was sentenced to Life with no chance for parole. While I lived up there he killed another prisoner and a male and female prison guard. He was still breathing when I left the area.

GerryM
10-11-2017, 08:09 PM
that,s my point It use t be the law of the land .

dmort
10-11-2017, 08:58 PM
Many states still have capital punishment as an option.

But they don't use it.

Mort

brickeyee
10-12-2017, 03:10 PM
But they don't use it.

Mort

We use it in Virginia.

Mir Aimal Kansi (the CIA shooter retrieved from Pakistan) did not take long at all.

TRA
10-13-2017, 12:10 AM
Ammonium Nitrate can be purchased at any garden shop. Urea, 46-0-0, which is very common crop fertilizer, is available at most any farm supply store, it's even available from Lowes, even Walmart. I think you will find CA's restrictions are more about Proposition 65 than anything else.

I don't think the death penalty has really that much to do with these incidents. I'd more likely think they new they would not survive or get away with it. Remember Tim McVeigh, it didn't take long for his death sentence to be carried out.

LaHo
10-13-2017, 08:34 AM
I'm from Europe but this in Las Vegas was cruel to see.

dmort
10-13-2017, 12:44 PM
The first incident I remember like this was some guy shooting students from a campus tower.

ReedG
10-15-2017, 11:57 PM
A while back I had a chance to fire an AR with a "bump stock" at my local range and took a good look at the set-up. At that time, I told the owner that, as far as I was concerned, it was not legal and should not be legal. It would be an interesting legal battle, but an attachment that makes a semi- into a full-auto is thereby illegal because a full-auto is illegal without a permit. If one modified the action to full-auto, the weapon would be illegal. I one modifies the stock/trigger to fire full-auto, it is illegal.

I am quite interested in finding out, if we ever do, how this lone gunman was able to amass several dozen AR-type firearms, modify them with bump stocks, smuggle them into a Las Vegas strip hotel which has impervious security, stayed with them for several days in a room which he modified, altered the hallway by installing cameras, had food delivered by room service, brought in several thousand rounds of ammo, likely practiced and sighted-in rifles in the weeks before, and not a single person seems to have said "huh?". No member of his family, none of his friends, none of the local law enforcement saw anything suspicious. Reports say he fired 1,200 to 1,700 rounds, which is a considerable pile of brass. Yet the pics released by the FBI of the room show only a dozen or so. The bump stock only works when firmly bedded into the shoulder and a certain amount of forward pressure on the front pistol grip: a posture very difficult to maintain while shooting out a hotel window at targets 400 yards away and several hundred feet below.

Doubtful we will ever know the shooter's reason for wanting to kill large numbers of indiscriminate people assembled in outdoor events. Apparently he scoped out three or four other sites in the months leading up to this shooting and opted not to act.

Chism G
10-16-2017, 10:10 AM
How do you prove that this assassin was suffering from a severe case Of Gambling Addiction?

https://www.addictions.com/gambling/10-gambling-addiction-facts-probably-dont-know/

I've read that the search for a motive, in this case, has included an autopsy of the Shooters Brain.

The search, for motive,seems to be focused every where but at a compulsive Gambler who eventually just snapped.

The Last thing that the Las Vegas Casinos want is for this tragedy to be linked to a Compulsive Gambler.


Glenn

antelopedundee
10-16-2017, 12:11 PM
Why is it necessary to determine a "motive" for the shootings? It won't un-injure the injured or bring back the dead. How has determining a motive ever been used to knowingly prevent a similar situation? They've had shooters who were known mental cases as well as being on the FBI's radar for one reason or another; YET they were able carry out their plan of attack. Even if they know why Paddock did what he did it will still be next nutjob in.

Chism G
10-16-2017, 03:01 PM
From a Law Enforcement perspective,"Motive", is important to Crime prevention efforts. lots of money and lip service has been devoted to research on how to prevent crime. Been that way a very long time.


Does all this research and talk work? You’d have to ask all the Organizations tasked with coming up with the answers. Its unfortunate that we live in a World that includes, what I call, socially functional NUTS. All it takes is a little push, to tip the scales, and you end up with an unexplainable mass murder.

What it boils down to is an endless search for a solution that doesn't exist. Kinda like the "War on Drugs".



Glenn

dk hunt 14
10-27-2017, 07:07 PM
Don't forget those ARs were modified to shoot full auto. That S.O.B. was a smart physco. He didn't walk into the crowd of people and start shooting. He was on perch where nobody could get to him until he had killed a bunch of folks. That's the worst kind. That is not a compliment. Now the gun control crowd has already started those poor folks aren't even buried yet. Its always the guns fault. Doug

I don't believe it was an AR. 10,000 rounds in a few minutes. MATT

Butch Lambert
10-27-2017, 07:21 PM
Why is it necessary to determine a "motive" for the shootings? It won't un-injure the injured or bring back the dead. How has determining a motive ever been used to knowingly prevent a similar situation? They've had shooters who were known mental cases as well as being on the FBI's radar for one reason or another; YET they were able carry out their plan of attack. Even if they know why Paddock did what he did it will still be next nutjob in.


Listen to Glenn, he knows of what he speaks.