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James n TN
08-29-2016, 12:44 PM
What are you guys usng on top of your 22 bench rifles?

I just purchased a new to me 22 LR for bench rest shooting and now need a scope to use. I'm trying to decide between the Leupold 35x or 40x or the new NF 42x Competition.

The NF is going to be 600.00 more over the Leupold and in real world life is there that much difference between these two scopes?

Thanks in advance.

James

tim
08-29-2016, 03:23 PM
No, not really. By the Leuy and invest the difference in good ammo.

Wilbur
08-29-2016, 08:21 PM
Pretty good advice there....look around a bit and find a 36 Leupold (or Weaver) that you can see through. Make a wish that it doesn't move around and have at it!

James n TN
08-29-2016, 09:47 PM
Pretty good advice there....look around a bit and find a 36 Leupold (or Weaver) that you can see through. Make a wish that it doesn't move around and have at it!

I'd come more apt to trust the weaver over a Leupold. But I still am hearing problems with the new Leupolds not holding zero. I'll most likely just bite the bullet and get the NF although I'm sure it's overkill for what it'll be used for.
Main reason of wanting the 30mm scopes is I already have 30 mm rings.

James

center22
08-29-2016, 11:47 PM
I'd come more apt to trust the weaver over a Leupold. But I still am hearing problems with the new Leupolds not holding zero. I'll most likely just bite the bullet and get the NF although I'm sure it's overkill for what it'll be used for.
Main reason of wanting the 30mm scopes is I already have 30 mm rings.

James

James,
This RFBR game "IMHO" is mostly about having a scope that will track perfectly and hold a setting with confidence ... this is of greater importance than even the optics quality. I currently use a March 50X and a Nightforce Competition 15-55 and both track excellent and the glass is superb. The NF should also hold its value better than a Leupold. I still own a Leupold Compettion in 40x (w/fine crosshairs) and never fully trusted the internal tracking mechanism. The glass is very good however in the Leupold. John

tim
08-30-2016, 03:00 PM
I'd come more apt to trust the weaver over a Leupold. But I still am hearing problems with the new Leupolds not holding zero. I'll most likely just bite the bullet and get the NF although I'm sure it's overkill for what it'll be used for.
Main reason of wanting the 30mm scopes is I already have 30 mm rings.

James

So you're gonna pay $800 more for a scope because you have $90 rings ? Sounds like you 're off to a good start.
There are no particular issues with the latest LCS scopes, by the way. Check the supershoot equipment list.

grillzilla
08-31-2016, 09:18 AM
sightron 36 power is a good choice

Pete Wass
09-01-2016, 05:48 PM
It's only 50 Yds/meters for goodness sake! Buy a Weaver and spend the rest in good ammo. Buy a great set of wind flags and practice every time you get a chance and in the worst conditions that come your way. Learn what the wind flags tell you in the sighters. Practice more. Then practice some more. Then buy another 100 target cards and practice. Make notes. Keep your barrel spotlessly clean. Brush it every time you clean it. Clean it some more. Practice. The Weaver will still be there with you, accurate as the day you installed it AND, it's guaranteed for life.

Once you think you have it somewhat figured out, Have a few barrels chambered for your rifle. Get a 17 twist and keep that for extreme weather. This game is all about great barrels, not scopes.

Pete

Wilbur
09-03-2016, 02:32 AM
I'm gonna disagree with Pete on this one. It's about good everything! How would you ever know you had a good barrel if the scope won't hold steady? I do agree completely that a cheaper scope will do the same as an expensive scope if it holds.

I also agree that good scopes are where you find them and the Nightforce is certainly a good choice and a good chance...but they cost so darn much!

tim
09-03-2016, 02:35 PM
I'd maybe add the following, I shot Weaver 36's for yeas and never ever felt disadvantaged. As a new guy, you could do a lot worse.
I now have 45's, primarily because they help with those subtle hold off shots and they do pick up mirage better and at some matches, that does help.

27-T
09-19-2016, 11:37 AM
James in Tenn. - If your shooting 50 yds, I would suggest that you take a look at the Mueller 8-32 X 44MM with the 30mm tube. I know, you never heard of it before! I have one on my 40XB and love it. Look up "Mueller Scopes" on your computer and take a look. Very nicely priced for a rimfire scope with good, clear optics. Lifetime warranty, too.

27-T

tim
09-19-2016, 01:43 PM
James in Tenn. - If your shooting 50 yds, I would suggest that you take a look at the Mueller 8-32 X 44MM with the 30mm tube. I know, you never heard of it before! I have one on my 40XB and love it. Look up "Mueller Scopes" on your computer and take a look. Very nicely priced for a rimfire scope with good, clear optics. Lifetime warranty, too.

27-T

Of course if you check various match reports and see if those show up, anywhere, in the winners circle, it would be listed approximately zero times.
The last thing you want to do is scrimp on a scope if you're ever going to compete.

drknite
09-19-2016, 02:21 PM
27-T I would recommend a sightron or weaver 36X. Either is good with the sightron being the least costly. I do have the same Mueller scope. It may not be listed on the equipment list but for the money I have had good luck and really like mine.

27-T
09-19-2016, 02:34 PM
drknite - I'm glad you have a Mueller and like it, as I do mine. Apparently, Tim has not looked through one. I'm one that just can't jump off the cliff because that's what the leader does.

27-T

tim
09-19-2016, 05:20 PM
drknite - I'm glad you have a Mueller and like it, as I do mine. Apparently, Tim has not looked through one. I'm one that just can't jump off the cliff because that's what the leader does.

27-T

Yeah, that's what we do, follow the leader.
I 've looked through them, they look pretty good, nice and clear. Do you know why you buy a quality scope for a match rifle ? The absolute number one reason guys spend money on a quality scope is because you want it to hold POI every single time and you want adjustments that do precisely what they're upposed to do, no more....no less.
If you, for an instant, believe a $200 scope can do that with true match grade instruments, you have lots of hard lessons to learn.

MIKECAMERON
09-19-2016, 06:25 PM
What are you guys usng on top of your 22 bench rifles?

I just purchased a new to me 22 LR for bench rest shooting and now need a scope to use. I'm trying to decide between the Leupold 35x or 40x or the new NF 42x Competition.

The NF is going to be 600.00 more over the Leupold and in real world life is there that much difference between these two scopes?

Thanks in advance.

James

I use frozen leupolds with Brackney mounts and Nightforce, I wouldn't recommend anything else if you are serious about competition.If you have NF on the mind you just cant do any better than one of those.I have had Weavers that were fine and Leupolds with turrets and they were fine but if you want to buy a scope you are NEVER going to have any problems with get a Frozen Leupold with a Brackney external adjustment mount or a NF.And If you go the Leupold route I would suggest the 40 power over the 45, I have found the 40 is clearer in lower light conditions and it seemed(it could have been a figment of my mind) the 45 stressed my eye more.
That is my 2 cents.
Mike Cameron

Joe McNeill
09-19-2016, 09:52 PM
James,
I put a new Valada 36x on my PPC and really like it. It has very clear glass and is built like a tank. I don't see why it would not work on a 22 rimfire
as it does on a centerfire. Nice side focus, 30mm tube and lifetime warranty. If you haven't looked through one you need to.
Regards,

Joe McNeill
SW Arkansas

MIKECAMERON
09-20-2016, 10:28 AM
James,
I put a new Valada 36x on my PPC and really like it. It has very clear glass and is built like a tank. I don't see why it would not work on a 22 rimfire
as it does on a centerfire. Nice side focus, 30mm tube and lifetime warranty. If you haven't looked through one you need to.
Regards,

Joe McNeill
SW Arkansas

We have had a couple guys try the valdada scopes if that is the same as what you are speaking of and they just were too heavy for rimfire.
MC

lion
09-20-2016, 10:35 AM
Sorry Mike, I just couldn't resist!
How can they possibly be too heavy? The gun is in a rest sitting on a bench. OK, I'll leave now. Wayne

Joe McNeill
09-20-2016, 12:46 PM
Mike,
The Valdada scope is what I was referring to. The newer model is a few ounces lighter than ones 2 or 3 years older
or so I'm told. They are heavier than a Weaver or even the LCS, but if you can make weight with them they are
very good scopes.
Regards,

Joe McNeill
SW Arkansas

MIKECAMERON
09-20-2016, 04:42 PM
Sorry Mike, I just couldn't resist!
How can they possibly be too heavy? The gun is in a rest sitting on a bench. OK, I'll leave now. Wayne

Well in IR 5050 we have to make a certain weight with our rifle, and the lowest being 10.5 lbs with the heavy gun then we have 13.5 lb. as the heaviest, It is very hard to make 10.5 with some of the heavier scopes.
MC

lion
09-20-2016, 05:11 PM
Well in IR 5050 we have to make a certain weight with our rifle, and the lowest being 10.5 lbs with the heavy gun then we have 13.5 lb. as the heaviest, It is very hard to make 10.5 with some of the heavier scopes.
MC

I didn't think this through very well. I was just thinking in the context of too heavy to lug around. We just shoot ARA so I forget about the weight rules. All my bench rifles are over 15 lbs so I would have to do some serious weight trimming to even make 13.5 lb class. Wayne

Joe McNeill
09-20-2016, 09:43 PM
Short range center fire bench rest is LV @ 10.5 lbs and HV @ 13.5 lbs. Rifles can be weighed before, during or after a match
and disqualified if not compliant. If we can make weight with the Valdada 36X, I bet a rimfire rifle can also do it.
Regards,

Joe McNeill
SW Arkansas

tim
09-20-2016, 10:02 PM
Short range center fire bench rest is LV @ 10.5 lbs and HV @ 13.5 lbs. Rifles can be weighed before, during or after a match
and disqualified if not compliant. If we can make weight with the Valdada 36X, I bet a rimfire rifle can also do it.
Regards,

Joe McNeill
SW Arkansas

More possible with a new build, unfortunately lots of guns on the line now that are close on weight utilizing optics that come in around that 19-21 ounce range for a 10 1/2 lb. gun.

MIKECAMERON
09-21-2016, 02:05 PM
Short range center fire bench rest is LV @ 10.5 lbs and HV @ 13.5 lbs. Rifles can be weighed before, during or after a match
and disqualified if not compliant. If we can make weight with the Valdada 36X, I bet a rimfire rifle can also do it.
Regards,

Joe McNeill
SW Arkansas

Most of the time you guys use different profiled barrels and no tuner, use a .900 straight profiled barrel and a tuner and you would find the weight becomes a problem, I never said it was impossible but it is just difficult, we have options that are just as good and lighter.I never said the valdada was a bad scope they are nice but just too heavy to most folks for rimfire rifles.
MC

James n TN
09-21-2016, 03:12 PM
Update on my purchase. I went with the NF 42x and I'm not regretting the choice at all. I have a Weaver T36 on another rifle and let me say. There's no comparison on the quality of the optics. Of course you expect it to be better as the scope is nearly 4x the price. I was hoping I would make 10.5 lb weight but I was over by 8 ounces so no matches where I have to make weight. So since I was over weight I went ahead and put the weight set in the stock and added a Pappas mid barrel tuner.
Did I mention how clear this scope is? I can actually see the fuzz on the paper when the bullet cuts a hole at 50 yards. Yes it's that clear and sharp.

James

drknite
09-21-2016, 03:53 PM
No offense and I am not trying to start a pissing contest but I have that Mueller scope for 2 years and it has not had a problem with poi. I realize it's only been 2 years and that's not a long period but so far I have no complaints. Actually I like it as good or better than the Weaver T36 because the crosshairs or easier to see with my bad eyes. I didn't say it was better I said that I liked it better. JMO.

tim
09-22-2016, 02:43 PM
Short range center fire bench rest is LV @ 10.5 lbs and HV @ 13.5 lbs. Rifles can be weighed before, during or after a match
and disqualified if not compliant. If we can make weight with the Valdada 36X, I bet a rimfire rifle can also do it.
Regards,

Joe McNeill
SW Arkansas

The mistake you make is in cross comparing CF and RF. The .22's have some requirements as to barrel diameter/ lenght with tuners that make 10 1/2 lb. harder than it seems especially with the current preference for longer barrels. Lots of guns are cutting it close with a 19oz.scope and lots of guys still move heaven and earth to get a little weight in the butt for balance.
Of course if you're an UNL or ARA guy, it's a non issue.