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Pete Wass
12-01-2015, 01:46 PM
I watched several tests on cleaning solvents this morning on YouTube. I had seen one of them before but there are others now since I last looked. Pretty good stuff I think. One test is done in a lab using sophisticated lab equipment and was gratifying to see. Old Hoppes stands pretty tall as does a few others.

I was looking for a lead killer. Birchwood Casey seems to be leading in the lead removal segment of cleaners.

Pete

Travelor
12-02-2015, 10:18 AM
Links?

Pete Wass
12-02-2015, 05:48 PM
type in cleaning solvent tests. You should have several come up. I think I might have typed in Lead removal liquid first. If you aren't familiar with YouTube, there is usually a menu of related videos on the right of the screen when one's request comes up. I spent more time watching Youtubes than I do TV these days. Great stuff on there. Way better than TV, IMHO>

Pete

Andy Cross
12-02-2015, 06:24 PM
I watched several tests on cleaning solvents this morning on YouTube. I had seen one of them before but there are others now since I last looked. Pretty good stuff I think. One test is done in a lab using sophisticated lab equipment and was gratifying to see. Old Hoppes stands pretty tall as does a few others.

I was looking for a lead killer. Birchwood Casey seems to be leading in the lead removal segment of cleaners.

Pete

Yep I liked the old hoppes. I acquired quite a good supply of it years ago when they said they were removing the nitrobenzene from it. I eventually ran out but before I did I ran a sample of it through a mass spec and compared it to the new version. As I have a licence to purchase all sorts of chems many people can't I just added the NB back to the hoppes at the correct molarity. Now my new hoppes works just as well as the old. What one man can do another can undo.
Andy.

JerrySharrett
12-02-2015, 06:48 PM
Yep I liked the old hoppes. I acquired quite a good supply of it years ago when they said they were removing the nitrobenzene from it. I eventually ran out but before I did I ran a sample of it through a mass spec and compared it to the new version. As I have a licence to purchase all sorts of chems many people can't I just added the NB back to the hoppes at the correct molarity. Now my new hoppes works just as well as the old. What one man can do another can undo.
Andy.

Wasn't ammonium oléate one of the bad things in Hoppes too? Carbon tetra chloride was another of those things that were going to end life as we know it. Oh well, we are all going to drown when the icebergs melt!



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R. Rains
12-02-2015, 08:53 PM
Yep I liked the old hoppes. I acquired quite a good supply of it years ago when they said they were removing the nitrobenzene from it. I eventually ran out but before I did I ran a sample of it through a mass spec and compared it to the new version. As I have a licence to purchase all sorts of chems many people can't I just added the NB back to the hoppes at the correct molarity. Now my new hoppes works just as well as the old. What one man can do another can undo.
Andy.

Andy what do we have to do to get a 5 gallon bucket of the good stuff.

Joe Maisto
12-03-2015, 05:48 PM
Don't know if my two bottles are new or the old, but I use it first...( I like the way it smells too ;) ) then chase it with Butches. Borescope shows a clean barrel with 1700 through it.

glynn angle
12-03-2015, 06:23 PM
Wasn't ammonium oléate one of the bad things in Hoppes too? Carbon tetra chloride was another of those things that were going to end life as we know it. Oh well, we are all going to drown when the icebergs melt!



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Jerry, can I borrow or steal that last sentence? That is a good answer for a lot of todays worries !! :)

Dusty Stevens
12-03-2015, 09:10 PM
Thats the biggest threat we face these days from what i hear. I thought it was terrorism boy was i wrong!

Dave Coots
12-03-2015, 10:06 PM
Thats the biggest threat we face these days from what i hear. I thought it was terrorism boy was i wrong!

Terrorism......haven't heard about any of that. Especially on the news.

Andy Cross
12-03-2015, 10:57 PM
Andy what do we have to do to get a 5 gallon bucket of the good stuff.

First of all to answer Jerrys query. The ammonium salts were only used as an accellerator to spped up the reaction. Other compounds are just as successful. To the best of my knowledge there was never any CTC in old hoppes or listed on the old MSDS sheets that I can recall.

Getting a 5 gal lot of the good stuff means getting a hasmat 7 licence to buy NB or knowing someone who can purchase it. Then simply adding it back to the new formula at the correct molarity. Only a small number of chem suppliers would stock it and it would probably be regulated in the amount you could buy per year.
Andy.

GerryM
12-04-2015, 11:23 AM
Pete if you want a good Lead remover
use this 50% white vinegar, 50 % hydrogen peroxide
Fill the barrel up and let it soak.
This works just as well as mercury and is less toxic. After soaking watch the Black goo come out""'
One of the best carbon killers is Reds solvent {home brew } IT 's on the web you can also add 10% ammonia to red for copper removal.

Bill Gammon
12-04-2015, 03:35 PM
If you have a barrel that is coppering up, get rid of it, most people do not realize why it is coppering.

Butch Lambert
12-04-2015, 06:19 PM
Get into you wives stuff and get her GOO GONE. It is great on lead.

Pete Wass
12-04-2015, 08:18 PM
Get into you wives stuff and get her GOO GONE. It is great on lead.

I want a solvent that will keep the lead from building up; that is to say, being able to take out what has been lain down on each card. There is no time for soaking when one has about 10 minutes to clean and get back to another card.

What compounds Rimfire residue is the wax. I have found a couple of wax removers that kill the wax but they do not kill either carbon or lead. The search continues.

Pete

glp
12-04-2015, 09:01 PM
http://www.brownells.com/GunTech/Time-To-Get-the-Lead-Out-The-Lewis-Lead-Remover/detail.htm?lid=10713

Pete Wass
12-04-2015, 09:25 PM
http://www.brownells.com/GunTech/Time-To-Get-the-Lead-Out-The-Lewis-Lead-Remover/detail.htm?lid=10713

I checked tis out. There are a number of Youtubes of folks using this product.

Pete

GerryM
12-05-2015, 10:05 PM
\ One that I like is Montana Rimfire blend It work,s really well for between the cards.

If you have build up scrub it good with the vinegar and peroxide then dry patches between strings soak the barrel when not in use and a lot of your problems should go away.

If they don't then maybe you have a rough bore and need an Iosso scrub or JB job to polish the bore Flush the bore with brake cleaner or carb cleaner after to make sure the iosso is all out,

Dusty Stevens
12-09-2015, 12:11 PM
Complex green is when youre mixing simple green on moonshine

Lee Martin
12-09-2015, 12:19 PM
Neat thread. Not sure I'll change my cleaning routine but it's always good to hear about other products. So far my targets and borescope like Kroil & Butch's. I'm also hitting the throat with Iosso every 100 rounds.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

JerrySharrett
12-09-2015, 04:54 PM
I have seen the effect of moonshine at some of the southern matches where moonshine is used. It hurts accuracy. I've seen where the only thing that is certain is that you'll hit the ground. They can't hit the urinal or the wall it's on and don't even think about using the two holer after they have. But, hey, they aren't all copper or leaded up. We're still talking about barrels, right?

Kroil works well for me, Lee.
But, we also follow the cleaning with Boron nitride and alcohol.


Francis, the Tennessee Apple Pie blend is the exception to hurting accuracy....ask Brady!


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Dusty Stevens
12-10-2015, 01:09 AM
Moonshine is definitely part of my friday night routine at a match

glp
12-14-2015, 08:26 PM
Complex green is when youre mixing simple green on moonshine

"His people" don't do well with moonshine :o

glp
12-14-2015, 08:28 PM
I checked tis out. There are a number of Youtubes of folks using this product.

Pete

Lewis lead remover. Works like a charm.

Pete Wass
12-15-2015, 12:00 AM
Lewis lead remover. Works like a charm.

The lewis system does not go as small as a .22.

Pete

Pete Wass
12-15-2015, 12:17 AM
a few days ago. ( Rimfire Sporter Y'all) It was loaded with lead at it's breech and about 2" behind the crown. This barrel has always leaded up in those two spots. It "silently" collects the lead in layers over time until suddenly, no xes! Without a borescope, one would never find the issue.

Here is a truism I believe I can say without hesitation: if one sees any gray stains on a patch, they have lead fouling. All of the RF barrels I have collect lead. Perhaps there are barrels that don't out there, I don't know but all of mine do and have since they were new.

What I have found that does remove lead is either copper mesh, like that on a chore boy scrubber (I have some that is pure copper) or the Big 55 lead remover wrapped around a used up brush. Both work, when used with the previously mentioned lead remover. Would I rather not use those things? Of course I would rather not. I would like to have a barrel or barrels that only required patches to keep them clean but to date, I have not seen one, either with CF or RF barrels. I thought a Ratchet might be the answer but that hasn't proven to be the case either.

Pete

Asa Yam
12-15-2015, 09:25 AM
Would I rather not use those things? Of course I would rather not. I would like to have a barrel or barrels that only required patches to keep them clean but to date, I have not seen one, either with CF or RF barrels.
Pete,

You asked for solvents, but the best method I've seen for cleaning metal fouling from barrels is electrochemical. While Outers discontinued their Foul-Out units (units are still for sale), searches online ("Electrochemical barrel cleaner" or "electronic bore cleaner" are good starting points) show designs for do-it-yourself electrical systems and electrolytes which do the same work. Have heard of complaints where people claimed the electrochemical unit pitted their barrel, but have never seen this result in my cleaning using such a system. On the other hand, have seen lots of lead flakes come out of barrels "cleaned" with Lewis lead removers.

Hope this helps.