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Lee Martin
10-16-2015, 03:09 PM
If Wilbur doesn't mind, I thought I'd start a thread highlighting benchrest's history (old photos, ads, articles, etc). I have a lot material, as I'm sure others do. For the guys that lived through those years it'll bring back memories. For newcomers like myself it'll connect us to the sport's foundation.

Incidentally, this post was just going to be "40 years with the PPC". But I thought perhaps we could expand it:
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40 years ago this past summer the PPC was announced. I thought some of you may enjoy seeing the original PS article again. This is from the July 1975 issue:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%201_2_zpsc0kivqgl.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%201_2_zpsc0kivqgl.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%202_2_zps3bpfyuzh.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%202_2_zps3bpfyuzh.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%203_2_zpsnioypdls.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%203_2_zpsnioypdls.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%206_2_zpsgft6uhic.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%206_2_zpsgft6uhic.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%204_2_zpskpq3xvtq.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%204_2_zpskpq3xvtq.jpg.html)

And here's Ferris' ad in the August 1975 edition of Precision Shooting:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%205_2_zps33ojn1xc.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Article%205_2_zps33ojn1xc.jpg.html)

The first ad Ferris and Lou ran for Sako PPC brass. This was from late 1976:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Ad_zpsawhiia54.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/6%20PPC%20Ad_zpsawhiia54.jpg.html)

-Lee
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Lee Martin
10-16-2015, 03:11 PM
1962 Tulsa Nationals Top 20

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Back row (left to right) – Henry Barton, Bob Hart, Bill Coleman, Dempsey Frost, Ed Shilen, Barbara Shellert, Ralph Stolle

Middle row (left to right) – Horace Powers, George Hendrick, Clyde Yockey, Bruno Borosewski, George McMullen, Omer Rinehart, Robert Smith

Front row (left to right) – Rick Hornbeck, Robert Stultz, Homer Culver, George Kelbly, Paul Gottschall, William Schellert

-Lee
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r44astro
10-16-2015, 04:31 PM
WOW Thanks.. Back in 1970 I thought my Rem 788 22-250 was the most accurate. I suppose it was right out of the box.
Bill

Chism G
10-16-2015, 06:47 PM
Thanks Lee, That is some good stuff. I think Ed Shilen,in the back row in that photo, may still be shooting benchrest. incredible.

"When a Sport stops teaching its heritage,it loses its identity."




Glenn

dogdude
10-16-2015, 07:32 PM
Very nice, thank you Lee !

Bill Gammon
10-17-2015, 07:44 AM
keep it up Lee, I got pictures like you would not believe.
Bill

Wilbur
10-17-2015, 01:42 PM
Bill. send me your email address please Sir.

oldhat30@gmail.com

Lee Martin
10-19-2015, 03:06 PM
An early Kelbly's ad from 1983. This one was shortly after Ralph Stolle passed away.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Kelblys%20Ad_zpspnlxhcra.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Kelblys%20Ad_zpspnlxhcra.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
10-20-2015, 07:58 AM
J-4 ad from early 1974 celebrating Mac McMillan's 0.009" record:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/McMillan%200.009%203_zpsgbj4phtm.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/McMillan%200.009%203_zpsgbj4phtm.jpg.html)

I have Neal Knox's article on the group from that same year. I'll try to get it posted in a day or two.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Wilbur
10-20-2015, 01:43 PM
Files attached:

r44astro
10-20-2015, 03:53 PM
Thanks Wilbur!
Bill Greene

Lee Martin
10-20-2015, 05:40 PM
Pretty neat Wilbur. The 1970-USA sheet illustrates the popularity of the 6 x 47. I guess it had its day from the late 60's until the PPC came on the scene. Never worked with one myself but I heard they were tricky to tune. But once you got 'em shooting....

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

scott mims
10-20-2015, 06:21 PM
would love it if everyone with pictures and info of "the past" would post on here. all the past results of nationals, super shoots, ect....... heck even regional matches that took place. also equipment list from each one, thats what i like seeing most of all. i have a list of every match results (except maybe 1 or 2) that i have been too (dating back to 1999).
anyway thanks for the posts so far, real interesting.

scott

Wilbur
10-21-2015, 12:36 PM
I had a Remington, 40XBR, 6X47. Didn't compete with it and ended up trading it for some pistols. It would shoot good enough to win one day and lousy the next. I never shot competition with it but rather looking back at the group measurements, it was a pretty good rifle. I think that was the general consensus all said and done - shoot good one day and miserable the next. I found 300 Malsby (I think it was) bullets at a hardware store. Didn't know at the time what they were and they shot lights out. Pretty sure those bullets and that rifle were the ultimately the cause of this forum.

Sadly, I drove 75 miles to Knoxville with that 6X47 and some worn out cases to shoot the nationals. Don't remember what else I had in the trunk but it wasn't NEARLY enough to shoot. The range gate was locked and they had some heavy equipment that was tearing everything up. I walked up to a couple of guys there and asked where the nationals were and they said...not here! OK - so much for the info in PS magazine! I looked all over Knoxville that same day for Jef Fowler and finally found him in a new looking building on a road under heavy construction. Jef treated me like I had two heads but sold me some Watson bullets...500 68gr and 500 70gr. I think that's all he had in the whole place but maybe didn't see something that was hidden behind an invisible wall. I finally forgave him for the 70gr bullets but maybe I just forgot rather than forgave. I've often wondered....why did Ed Watson make those 70gr bullets???

And...who was that fellow that brought Benchrest shooting back to Knoxville for a couple of years. Was a really nice fellow that had a jealous wife (and rightfully so)! Doug something...I think...maybe not...

Lee Martin
10-21-2015, 12:42 PM
also equipment list from each one, thats what i like seeing most of all.

Wapwallopen 1972, heavy bench results. By the early 70's that class was losing ground quick to the varmint ranks.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Wapwallopen%201972%20B_zpsjhaa7tkf.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Wapwallopen%201972%20B_zpsjhaa7tkf.jpg.html)

The equipment lists weren't as detailed back then. Common cartridges, in both heavy bench and varmint, included the 222, 222 1/2, 23-40 (223 Rem 40 deg), 22-,35, 40 &, 45 (222 Rem Mag, 35, 40, or 45 deg), 6 x 47, and even a few .308s and Wasps.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Chism G
10-21-2015, 12:43 PM
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Glenn

DT1
10-21-2015, 01:21 PM
At that match where heavy rains had washed away a portion of the firing line in the week or weekend before the match. Still have a copy of those results kicking around somewhere.

Lee Martin
10-22-2015, 01:14 PM
As promised, here's Neal Knox's article on the Mac McMillan 0.009" from 1973:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Mac%20McMillan%201_zpss7vnpirh.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Mac%20McMillan%201_zpss7vnpirh.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Mac%20McMillan%202_zpsw1kbk5bi.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Mac%20McMillan%202_zpsw1kbk5bi.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Mac%20McMillan%203_zpsmrfvf9dd.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Mac%20McMillan%203_zpsmrfvf9dd.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Wilbur
10-22-2015, 02:59 PM
Nice Group!

Zebra13
10-22-2015, 04:31 PM
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Glenn

Glenn,

Is there another page to the Heavy Varmint equipment list? If you have it, could you post a picture of it. I may own a rifle shot in that match, but I don't see the shooter's name on the pictured list.

Thanks,
Justin

Chism G
10-22-2015, 11:48 PM
Justin...i have more HV results,but no HV equipment lists. I'll post what I could find in the other classes. Maybe your guy is amongst the other legends.


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Lee Martin
10-23-2015, 09:45 AM
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/1983%20Super%20Shoot%20HV_zpscpo2oxvu.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/1983%20Super%20Shoot%20HV_zpscpo2oxvu.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Zebra13
10-23-2015, 11:15 AM
Glenn,

Thanks. Found his name but equipment used was "not available".

Man...there are some names on those lists.

Justin

HFV
10-25-2015, 05:11 AM
I had a Remington, 40XBR, 6X47. Didn't compete with it and ended up trading it for some pistols. It would shoot good enough to win one day and lousy the next. I never shot competition with it but rather looking back at the group measurements, it was a pretty good rifle. I think that was the general consensus all said and done - shoot good one day and miserable the next. I found 300 Malsby (I think it was) bullets at a hardware store. Didn't know at the time what they were and they shot lights out. Pretty sure those bullets and that rifle were the ultimately the cause of this forum.

Sadly, I drove 75 miles to Knoxville with that 6X47 and some worn out cases to shoot the nationals. Don't remember what else I had in the trunk but it wasn't NEARLY enough to shoot. The range gate was locked and they had some heavy equipment that was tearing everything up. I walked up to a couple of guys there and asked where the nationals were and they said...not here! OK - so much for the info in PS magazine! I looked all over Knoxville that same day for Jef Fowler and finally found him in a new looking building on a road under heavy construction. Jef treated me like I had two heads but sold me some Watson bullets...500 68gr and 500 70gr. I think that's all he had in the whole place but maybe didn't see something that was hidden behind an invisible wall. I finally forgave him for the 70gr bullets but maybe I just forgot rather than forgave. I've often wondered....why did Ed Watson make those 70gr bullets???

And...who was that fellow that brought Benchrest shooting back to Knoxville for a couple of years. Was a really nice fellow that had a jealous wife (and rightfully so)! Doug something...I think...maybe not...

My first match::: 1986 Buccaneer Club,, S.E. of Wilmington N.C. I had 30 cartridges,, factory 40 X BR,,20" bbl,, in cal. 6mm BR.. This rifle belonged to a friend who talked me into shooting We showed up @ the range w/rifle ,, 30 shells,, no bags , no rest.. Wilton and Don Sloop provided a rest and rear bag.. We Made the 6br shells for full length Br brass (308 w/small primer)
Some of the bullets were tight, and some you could easily remove by just pulling them out w/fingers. I was one of those (wind won't move a bullet in flight,types) At the home range ther rifle would produce small .2's and some 1's.. During the match,, I shot two back to back .198"s and was 1st place going into 4th target.. The rifle produced , if I remember correctly,, a .281 on forth target.. I would shoot one sighter in the middle of the sighter target,,, (because Joe told me to) never looked @ flags and didn't know what they were telling me if I had.. Shot a 2 hole 5tenths group on 5th target. Looking back,, the little 6 BR was an exceptional factory rifle and could have won a match w/the aggs back in 1986. He later put a Mcmillan stock on this rifle . His wife got 3rd place @ Columbia the next year.. Rem. rifle and Rem. barrel.
And ,, Cook & bottle washer,, I remember Doug,,, and will produce his last name as soon as I think of it.. I think he lived over near Strawberry Plains ,, E. Knoxville. Last time I saw him was @ Kettlefoot.

HFV
10-25-2015, 05:20 AM
Wilbur,,, was it Doug Hubbard?

JerrySharrett
10-25-2015, 06:24 AM
Can you imagine the sounds of those early 1970's matched of full length 308 Winchesters being shot with the 222 Remington cartridges? Pop, pop, boom!


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HFV
10-25-2015, 08:04 PM
Can you imagine the sounds of those early 1970's matched of full length 308 Winchesters being shot with the 222 Remington cartridges? Pop, pop, boom!


.

We use to shoot w/Nat Burchett.. He shot a .308 rail gun.. It was always a pleasure to get beside Nat , in a 10 shot unlimited match.

Wilbur
10-25-2015, 09:43 PM
Nat showed up at a match one time with his 22cal sporter rifle. James Messer mentioned that the sporter class was 6mm or greater and Nat said...loudly..."When in the hell did they start that?" James just blinked a second or two knowing (just then knowing) that Nat had been shooting a 22 in sporter class all along. Nat said everything loudly as he couldn't hear very well.

Nat had some kind of wagon he pulled along that had everything you needed to shoot, clean and fix most anything. I don't think you could build a fire in it....but maybe... If you needed something, you went to Nat.

Yep...Doug Hubbard it was - Thanks Tommy! I remember going to his house once or twice and you're right about that as well.

Bill Gammon
10-26-2015, 07:19 AM
I have a Frank Hubbard and a Merlin Hubbard, but no Doug
Bill

Tim Singleton
10-26-2015, 10:00 AM
What is the 23x45?

I know they used a 6mmx45 and several 222 variants. I've never heard of the 23x45

Lee Martin
10-26-2015, 10:04 AM
The 23 x 45 was a .223 Remington improved to 45 degrees.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
10-26-2015, 10:43 AM
How about a really old equipment list?

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/1950%20Results_zpsufcbjcjk.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/1950%20Results_zpsufcbjcjk.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

HFV
10-26-2015, 12:16 PM
Nat showed up at a match one time with his 22cal sporter rifle. James Messer mentioned that the sporter class was 6mm or greater and Nat said...loudly..."When in the hell did they start that?" James just blinked a second or two knowing (just then knowing) that Nat had been shooting a 22 in sporter class all along. Nat said everything loudly as he couldn't hear very well.

Nat had some kind of wagon he pulled along that had everything you needed to shoot, clean and fix most anything. I don't think you could build a fire in it....but maybe... If you needed something, you went to Nat.

Yep...Doug Hubbard it was - Thanks Tommy! I remember going to his house once or twice and you're right about that as well.

Nat had a homemade trailer,, resembling a hog cooker.. It had a wench to raise and lower the lid. This was Nat's loading trailer. He used and army canvas for makeshift canopy.. Inside he had a built in barrel vise and used a horizontal mounted hydraulic jack to close it on the barrel. He had a homemade T-handle action wrench. Nat kept his pre-weighed powder charges in rubber stopper cap,, small glass test tubes.. they were a square Styrofoam caddie, w/100 glass tubes , each sitting in it's own little round hole.. The Styrofoam caddie had Styrofoam lid. He had about 4 of these caddies.. Nat would size his cases on a rockchucker or similar press,, prime them and take the glass vials and pour the powder in the case using a small funnel. Nat always traveled w/Hulio Deanglez (spelling of name ,, my apology if not correct) and sometimes,, Doc Charles Davis from Durham NC.. Nat was a welder and and had a small fabrication shop,, I think,, Chapel Hill. He would show up at a match, see me, and very loudly say ,,"Hello McGee" (that's short for McKee). It was like he was talking to me 100 yards away. I could have cut Nat's eyebrows and made a fur coat for a "Mexican hairless puppy"

Lee Martin
10-26-2015, 04:55 PM
Don Robbins at Dubois 1950. As the aforementioned equipment list shows, he was shooting a .219 Wasp on an FN Mauser:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Don%20Robbins%20Dubois%201950_zpsdi3amnhr.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Don%20Robbins%20Dubois%201950_zpsdi3amnhr.jpg.html )

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
10-29-2015, 10:14 AM
A 1983 article on Harold Broughton's .220 and .240 Coyotes. Like the Walldog, Broughton felt the PPC may have a bit too much capacity for .22 (and to a lesser degree 6mm):

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Broughton%20Wildcats_zpshgx0g9xq.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Broughton%20Wildcats_zpshgx0g9xq.jpg.html)

This wasn't the first or last time benchresters wildcated the .220 Swift. H.L. Culver competed with his .25 Dart as early as 1954 (Swifts cut to 1.75" and expanded). Then in the 1960's he shortened and necked the Dart to 6mm, creating a round dimensionally close to the PPC. The 6mm Trapper was a similar version unveiled in the 1990's. Both the Coyote and Trapper were in response to PPC brass shortages.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Bill Leeper
10-29-2015, 05:40 PM
It is probably just me and my changing perspective but I found there to be some actual excitement surrounding BR matches, equipment and competitors in the earlier days. This is largely because there was more mystery to me then as opposed to now. I didn't start shooting competitively until 1977 but had been interested for a half dozen years previous to that. My first experience with a BR rifle was shooting my Dad's 40xBR in 6mm Remington in about 1973. With it's 20x Remington scope, it would shoot in the 4's with the occasional 1/4 inch group. When I finally moved close enough to a BR range to compete, I started with a 40x in 6x47. It shot OK but not good enough to land me any better than mid-pack. I re-barreled it with a hart barrel and stocked it in a Brown Precision stock and it turned into a winning rifle for me. It would shoot into the .1's often enough that it was not unexpected and I was able to agg under .3. Most of all, it was consistent and this consistency allowed me to even win some matches. My first PPC, I built in 1980 on a Wichita Mini action. Hart barrel and a Lee Six stock and it was even better than the old 40x.
I don't believe there have been much in the way of real changes in BR rifles since 1980. There have been incremental improvements but the basic formula for rifles remains the same. A stiff action glued into a light stock with a heavy barrel in 6PPC. Triggers have different names on them but they work the same. Precision actions are more available but the blueprint remains the same. Precision barrels are available from more makers but, again, the requirements are the same as always.
Scope powers have increased drastically. When I started, it was not uncommon to compete with a 20X scope from Lyman or Leupold with the 24X leupold being the choice for most. Many shooters were getting scopes boosted by Wally Seibert and it wasn't long before Leupold brought out their 36X BR scope for those wanting more power (by the way, I always felt I couldn't see mirage as well with the 36 but that may well have been just me.)
The big difference has come from the refining of loading techniques along with the availability of better bullets. This may be due to a better understanding of what is required to make them. The final improvement has been with the shooter's abilities to read wind flags and refine their bench techniques. When I was shooting well, I often didn't even know why the shots were going where I wanted them to. Todays shooters have a much better handle on things. Regards, Bill.

martin zuck
10-29-2015, 07:15 PM
Don Robbins at Dubois 1950. As the aforementioned equipment list shows, he was shooting a .219 Wasp on an FN Mauser:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Don%20Robbins%20Dubois%201950_zpsdi3amnhr.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Don%20Robbins%20Dubois%201950_zpsdi3amnhr.jpg.html )

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee,
I believe that was a picture of Clair Taylor.

Lee Martin
10-29-2015, 08:50 PM
Martin - that could be the case. They were a team and both shot .219's on Mausers. Perhaps the caption was a mistake. Thanks for the heads-up.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

ebb
10-30-2015, 09:24 PM
I am looking at that Berger add with 6mm 68s for $9. How could he sell jackets and lead if you could buy bullets for $9 a hundred?

Bill Gammon
10-31-2015, 07:58 AM
I am looking at that Berger add with 6mm 68s for $9. How could he sell jackets and lead if you could buy bullets for $9 a hundred?

In about 1978 or 79 when the 68g Remington came out I had a chance, (did not do it) to buy them at $3.68 a 100 but I had to buy 30,000 at a crack. OH WELL!!!!!

Bill Leeper
11-01-2015, 04:35 PM
I believe McCracken bullets were under ten cents apiece back then and I bought Sierras for about 6.50 a box. I still have some Winchester match bullets from around 1980 which cost me 5.60 per hundred. Given inflation, I guess things are not that bad now! Regards, Bill

Lee Martin
11-02-2015, 10:42 AM
Marcy Lyons' article on T-322 from April 1984. This is the first Precision Shooting piece on T powder, though Walt Berger advertised it earlier in '84. His equipment lists also show he was shooting the stuff in 1982:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/T322%201_zpsswjko1ei.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/T322%201_zpsswjko1ei.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/T322%202_zpskneemvqf.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/T322%202_zpskneemvqf.jpg.html)

Clearly written before Hodgdon pressured Thunderbird to drop the last "2". BTW, does anyone remember when Hodgdon released H322? Was it the late 60's or early 70's? I know it was all surplus until they contracted the Scottish run in the late 70's.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
11-02-2015, 10:44 AM
Walt Berger's letter to Harold Broughton regarding T-322. This was also from the April 1984 edition of PS:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/T322%203_zpskp70eftc.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/T322%203_zpskp70eftc.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
11-03-2015, 02:41 PM
I remember the ads but never the action in the flesh:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/RampM%20Precision%20Action%202_zpsrtiuztgr.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/RampM%20Precision%20Action%202_zpsrtiuztgr.jpg.htm l)

Did many of these make it into competition in the 1980's?

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
11-04-2015, 10:31 AM
Johnstown 1949. The shooter on the far left is Jennings Prescott. Head-up with hat is Townsend Whelan and to his left is Al Marciante.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201949_zpsortczgcl.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201949_zpsortczgcl.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Mike Bryant
11-04-2015, 11:13 AM
Lee, like you I never saw an R&M in the flesh. But, it wasn't an action, but a sleeve with integral scope rings to use with a Remington action. My first benchrest rifle was built on a 700 action that I had sent to Hart Rifle Barrels. They trued it, bushed the bolt face and installed a M-16 extractor, installed their full length sleeve, chambered a barrel for the .22 PPC .246" neck and sent a McMillan LV stock blank to me for the grand total of $400. I'm not sure what scope I had on it at the time, probably a Weaver T-16 or a Redfield 20X that I had before I started shooting benchrest. It didn't take long before the rifle was sporting one of the first models of the Leopold 36X that added $205 to the cost of the rifle. That was about the same time as you could buy a 100 bullets for $9. I shot GTB bullets made by Bob Cauterucio, Watson bullets made by Ed Watson and Berger's, of course made by Walt. Of course, at the time, I didn't know any of those guys. I shot my first nationals in 1983 with this rifle and because of it being a .22 only shot the LV and HV classes. I have some of the old books with history a long time before Precision Shooting came into existence. The Wolfe reprint of "Ultimate in Rifle Precision" by Townsend Whelen as some of the originals from a long time ago. The copyright date on Whelen's book is 1958 (about the time Larry Baggett started shooting benchrest (just kidding Larry)). Below is a photo out of the book showing a B&A die set up in a press. Looks almost identical to my Rorschach die set up.

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Lee Martin
11-04-2015, 11:41 AM
Good to know Mike. I wasn't aware the R&M was a sleeve.

Speaking of early BR, here's a 1st Edition "The Ultimate In Rifle Precision" from 1951 (these were produced as annuals between 1949 and 1954). The Sportman's Press, Washington DC, published them and Townsend Whelen did much of the editing.

Col. Whelen presented it to H.L. Culver in '51 and Homer gave it to my dad shortly before his death. Culver hand signed the cover but unfortunately Whelen didn't autograph it.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Culver%20Benchrest%201_zpsr8e6iqux.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Culver%20Benchrest%201_zpsr8e6iqux.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Culver%20Benchrest%202_zps8mlvvo4s.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Culver%20Benchrest%202_zps8mlvvo4s.jpg.html)

Culver did have some of his friends sign it - RK Nelson, Al Marciante, Warren Page, Harvey Donaldson, GR Douglas, Ronald Batterson, Gene Hudgins, and Phil Teachout to name a few.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Mike Bryant
11-04-2015, 12:24 PM
Here's a photo of two of the original books that I have. Neither one of them are signed or have the history that yours have in the signatures. The Wolfe version that I have in the house is a reprint of the book on the left. It was copyrighted in 1958. The book on the right, the smaller book was copyrighted in June 1949. Note that at the bottom of the cover it states that it's "The 1949 Yearbook of the Benchrest Shooter's Association. A long time before there was a NBRSA or IBS.

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Wayne Shaw
11-04-2015, 12:47 PM
I believe Bill Brawand has one., or used to several years ago.

Lee Martin
11-06-2015, 02:00 PM
L.E. "Sam" Wilson. In celebration of his 90th birthday Precision Shooting had him set for the April 1985 cover. Unfortunately he passed right before the issue came out.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/LE%20Sam%20Wilson_zpsyiuoycmu.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/LE%20Sam%20Wilson_zpsyiuoycmu.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
11-23-2015, 06:10 PM
They may be past their competitive prime but I have a thing for old Unertls. Here's one of their ads from the early 1970s:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Unertl%20Scopes_zpsdtieagap.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Unertl%20Scopes_zpsdtieagap.jpg.html)

We have this model on a few classic varmint rifles (.219 Wasp, .22 Marciante Blue Streak, and so forth).

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Wilbur
12-06-2015, 12:31 AM
I received this a while ago and almost forgot about it!

Bill Gammon
12-06-2015, 07:49 AM
Thanks Ann, did not have John Giles or Mike Gibbons

Wilbur
12-27-2015, 04:19 AM
Here's the files....

Wilbur
01-04-2016, 08:28 PM
Have to write something or it won't work...!

mario f
01-05-2016, 12:31 AM
Have to write something or it won't work...!

Thank you for pub;):Dlishing rankings postal match ..... good memories from Italy .....

mario f
01-05-2016, 01:05 AM
Thank you for pub;):Dlishing rankings postal match ..... good memories from Italy .....17199[

Wilbur
01-05-2016, 12:43 PM
I had a couple of Unertl scopes and they worked pretty good. I was trying to sell my last Remington 22-250 (pretty fancy rifle with a Unertl scope) and had the rifle propped on a door facing, talking and looking thorugh the scope. I spotted a blackbird in the top of a tree way, way far away. Stepped in the apartment, dug a round out of an end table drawer, chambered it and killed that darn blackbird. The guys watching couldn't see the blackbird until he fell but thats all the guy with the money needed to see. Sure, it was a lucky shot but it couldn't have happened at a better time. My neighbor and I laughed about that for years.

Lee Martin
01-12-2016, 10:33 AM
Ed Shilen at the 1982 Super Shoot

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Ed%20Shilen%201982_zpsywm9ks32.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Ed%20Shilen%201982_zpsywm9ks32.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
01-13-2016, 11:14 AM
Apparently Sako had plans of producing long PPC brass back in 1986 (1.750" & 2.000"). I'm not aware of these coming to fruition but it's neat history:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/PPC%20Update_zpsm2zcglo5.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/PPC%20Update_zpsm2zcglo5.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Bill Gammon
01-13-2016, 02:34 PM
Boy do I ever date myself. You could buy a SAKO PPC repeater with a thin barrel, and a mag in either the 22 or 6mm. You could also buy a single shot version with a heavy barrel. How do I know this? my buddy shot a deer out of a tree stand with a thin barreled PPC and we had to adjust our rules to accommodate the heavy barreled single shot actions, ie the 40X, the SAKO 6PPC single shots. Oh well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lee Martin
01-13-2016, 10:50 PM
Sako 6 ppc's show up now and then Bill. Here's one for sale on Gunbroker.com:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=536668464

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

mario f
01-14-2016, 12:26 AM
Lou Palmisano gives Giuseppe Broggi (his cousin) in the first 6 Sako PPC to S.S. 1986

Lee Martin
01-15-2016, 10:21 AM
1985 Nationals results - LV & HV

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/1985%20Nationals%20LV_zpsejfczvwa.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/1985%20Nationals%20LV_zpsejfczvwa.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/1985%20Nationals%20HV_zpsydxiwrqp.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/1985%20Nationals%20HV_zpsydxiwrqp.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
01-18-2016, 06:31 PM
1986 Super Shoot equipment survey:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/1985%20Super%20Shoot%20Equipment%201_zps3imc14ta.j pg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/1985%20Super%20Shoot%20Equipment%201_zps3imc14ta.j pg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/1985%20Super%20Shoot%20Equipment%202_zpsnkejrbop.j pg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/1985%20Super%20Shoot%20Equipment%202_zpsnkejrbop.j pg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
01-19-2016, 04:27 PM
Ross Sherman's Superior action:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Superior%20Actions_zpslnxnftmb.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Superior%20Actions_zpslnxnftmb.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

HFV
01-20-2016, 01:09 PM
Lou Palmisano gives Giuseppe Broggi (his cousin) in the first 6 Sako PPC to S.S. 1986

I was there when Doc Palmisono gave him the rifle, . I was sure it was a Ruger #1 w/serial # 1.. I would really like to know which. I think his friend is the person that purchased, from a small gunshop, a box or 220 Russian ammo,, gave it to Doc Palmisano. May be wrong,, but I believe it was the same box that he and Ferris Pindall started the development of the 22 PPC. When he presented the rifle, we were in the building where the shop @ Kelblys is now, long before the large reloading area was built.. I also remember the 1st Sako 6PPC I saw was @ Super Shoot. Ron DIll, of Virginia shot it in one of the classes.. As I remember, the rifle produced a .188" @ 100yds.

mario f
01-21-2016, 12:53 AM
I did everything I S.S. Lou Palmisano (I acted as interpreter and mentor) he told me that the gun given to Broggi is the first in 6 Sako PPC USA commercial ... more ... I do not know (sorry I do not speak English and use Google translator ..)

James M.
01-21-2016, 04:38 PM
Copied from another thread - Wilbur did it.....
__________________________________________________ ___

I found this. PS- The 1965 equipment list was in an old PS Magazine. I also found some nostalgia in an old "Rifle" magazine showing the original HOF inductees. James Mock

HFV
01-22-2016, 11:54 AM
I did everything I S.S. Lou Palmisano (I acted as interpreter and mentor) he told me that the gun given to Broggi is the first in 6 Sako PPC USA commercial ... more ... I do not know (sorry I do not speak English and use Google translator ..)

Wasn't trying to start a ruckcus. This may not be the same time or rifle,, but Ruger presented Doc Palmisano w/ Ruger #1 Serial # 1 in 6PPC, and he gave it to one of his good friends @ Super Shoot,,, 1986 or 1987 I'm pretty sure it was SS 14,, my first year there (out of 21 yrs in a row)

dmoran65
01-23-2016, 01:30 AM
Thinking this may be where it all began.........

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mario f
01-23-2016, 06:31 AM
or in this period

Lee Martin
01-26-2016, 04:39 PM
A short piece on the history of fiberglass stocks by the late Chet Brown:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%201_zpsce6nvkxx.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%201_zpsce6nvkxx.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%202_zpsx6ac7ofq.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%202_zpsx6ac7ofq.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%203_zps3becmtxl.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%203_zps3becmtxl.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%204_zpsbvymhubp.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Stock%20Article%204_zpsbvymhubp.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
02-25-2016, 10:36 AM
The short-lived .30 American from 1987.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/30%20American%201_zpsubkihw9d.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/30%20American%201_zpsubkihw9d.jpg.html)

The precision crowd moved Federal to produce 50,000 small primer .30-30 cases. As advertised, it was held to match standards and received additional annealing.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/30%20American%202_zpsc38vejbi.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/30%20American%202_zpsc38vejbi.jpg.html)

Back then a few folks seemed uncomfortable relying on a foreign entity (ie, Sako) for BR worthy brass (not a concern now but their fears came to pass with the PPC brass shortage 2 - 3 years later). I'd love to buy a piece or two of .30 American for my cartridge collection. If anyone has one they're willing to sell, PM or email me at lee@singleactions.com

Thanks,

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

jackie schmidt
02-25-2016, 11:36 AM
In his book, "The Ultimate in Rifle Accuracy", Glenn Newick devotes a chapter that gives a pretty good history of how extreme accuracy shooting evolved through the ages..

Lee Martin
02-25-2016, 11:50 AM
I know that book well Jackie. I've read it two or three times since it came out in '89. Indeed, Glenn did a great job covering the evolution of components and equipment.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Glenn%20Newick%20Signature_zpsekz5kzrb.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Glenn%20Newick%20Signature_zpsekz5kzrb.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

JerrySharrett
02-25-2016, 03:42 PM
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JerrySharrett
02-25-2016, 03:57 PM
Marcy Lyons' article on T-322 from April 1984. This is the first Precision Shooting piece on T powder, though Walt Berger advertised it earlier in '84. His equipment lists also show he was shooting the stuff in 1982:



Clearly written before Hodgdon pressured Thunderbird to drop the last "2". BTW, does anyone remember when Hodgdon released H322? Was it the late 60's or early 70's? I know it was all surplus until they contracted the Scottish run in the late 70's.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Interesting-Marcy is shooting a0.2603" load in a 0.261" chamber.

Interesting too, I started with a Jimmy Myers action, and a Hart Barrel but mine was a 22 Waldog stocked by Fred Sinclair.

.

R. Rains
02-26-2016, 08:07 PM
17482

It's nice to see we are still shooting some of these ranges yet today.

Russell

HFV
03-01-2016, 10:16 AM
The short-lived .30 American from 1987.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/30%20American%201_zpsubkihw9d.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/30%20American%201_zpsubkihw9d.jpg.html)

The precision crowd moved Federal to produce 50,000 small primer .30-30 cases. As advertised, it was held to match standards and received additional annealing.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/30%20American%202_zpsc38vejbi.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/30%20American%202_zpsc38vejbi.jpg.html)

Back then a few folks seemed uncomfortable relying on a foreign entity (ie, Sako) for BR worthy brass (not a concern now but their fears came to pass with the PPC brass shortage 2 - 3 years later). I'd love to buy a piece or two of .30 American for my cartridge collection. If anyone has one they're willing to sell, PM or email me at lee@singleactions.com

Thanks,

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

I had a McMillan barrel on an XP-100 (by James Coffee). After approx 3000 rds, I had Dave Tooley rechamber the barrel in 6 MM American. After forming brass,, turning down the rim to .441" (to fit ppc bolt) cutting extractor groove, and fireforming, I went to Kettlefoot,, Bristol Va. My first group in the 200 yd LV, was .304" from this warn out barrel. I won my first trophy's w/this 6 American barrel. I finished 3rd @ Riverbend after shooting .420" @ 100yd sporter w/ppc on the first group, shooting the following 4 groups w/the 6 American (all in the ones). Also a small group pine board in 10 shot unlimited w/ .181" @ 100. I think this is a great cartridge if there wasn't so much work into making them.

Wilbur
03-07-2016, 09:45 PM
Here it is....

sofarfrome
03-10-2016, 07:41 PM
This is a great thread. Please keep it going. Unfortunately I am probably too young to add anything.

Harold M
03-12-2016, 09:42 AM
If I have pressed the correct buttons, there should be a photo attached ...

Wilbur
03-13-2016, 09:14 PM
More...

Wilbur
03-14-2016, 10:38 PM
1975 stuff....

Wilbur
03-16-2016, 04:36 PM
1979.....page 5 is a correction page.

Wilbur
03-17-2016, 11:26 PM
1980.....

sadeq qaranjiki
04-01-2016, 02:50 AM
Dear All thanks for info regarding bechrest history,
we began benchrest shooting in Iran from 2 years ago and in air rifle type, centerfire and rimfire type in my country very cost,
According to previous discussion, i have questions?
- What year was the exact genesis of benchrest shooting? and by who?
- NBRSA and Iwhen was started? are there different ways in implementation of competition?
- where was the start airrifle benchrest? or by what countries?

My Thanks,
Sadeq

Wilbur
04-01-2016, 09:48 PM
Attached....

Wilbur
05-06-2016, 02:05 AM
More...!

Wilbur
05-07-2016, 11:15 PM
1984....

Wilbur
05-09-2016, 02:43 AM
More....

pipeline60
05-10-2016, 03:35 PM
Thanks Wilbur

Lee Martin
05-16-2016, 09:54 AM
Geza Nagy, 1972 Snowball League, Millerton, New York:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Geza%20Nagy%201972_zpsnbmnps60.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Geza%20Nagy%201972_zpsnbmnps60.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
05-19-2016, 11:15 AM
Dubois, PA - 1949

Lucian Cary (right) presenting a trophy to R.K. Nelson. On the far left is Shirley Risley, who helped with the start-up of the R-2 Lovell.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Dubois%201949%202_zpswt6h4fij.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Dubois%201949%202_zpswt6h4fij.jpg.html)

Left to right - Bud Waite, Warren Page, Townsend Whelen, Fred Huntington, Sam Clark Jr, All Barr, and Lucian Cary.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Dubois%201949%201_zpsjcstukqp.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Dubois%201949%201_zpsjcstukqp.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
05-19-2016, 11:16 AM
Johnstown, NY 1948. By then the range had grown to ten benches.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201949%201_zpsvqvraonm.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201949%201_zpsvqvraonm.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201949%202_zpsixtsweoc.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201949%202_zpsixtsweoc.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
05-19-2016, 11:21 AM
Frank Hubbard at Johnstown 1947. Target superimposed in the upper right.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Frank%20Hubbard%201947_zps3anz3y32.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Frank%20Hubbard%201947_zps3anz3y32.jpg.html)

Another shot of Johnstown 1948. Lucian Cary is on the far left, Marcy Prescott is in the middle shooting from his portable bench, and #2 is either Taylor or Robbins of the famed gunsmithing firm.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201948_zps17c8jdp6.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201948_zps17c8jdp6.jpg.html)

Johnstown 1947. Back row - J. Bushnell Smith and Ray Biehler. Front row - Sam Clark Jr, Havey Donaldson, Manley Butts, and Frank Lucas. This was the beginnings of the NBRSA.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201947_zpslmagq8hi.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201947_zpslmagq8hi.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Hunter
05-19-2016, 05:39 PM
Ouch, I don't see any hearing protection in those pre-50's pictures.

Wilbur
05-29-2016, 07:30 PM
Attached:

Wilbur
05-29-2016, 07:31 PM
Attached:

martin zuck
05-29-2016, 08:24 PM
Frank Hubbard at Johnstown 1947. Target superimposed in the upper right.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Frank%20Hubbard%201947_zps3anz3y32.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Frank%20Hubbard%201947_zps3anz3y32.jpg.html)

Another shot of Johnstown 1948. Lucian Cary is on the far left, Marcy Prescott is in the middle shooting from his portable bench, and #2 is either Taylor or Robbins of the famed gunsmithing firm.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201948_zps17c8jdp6.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201948_zps17c8jdp6.jpg.html)

Johnstown 1947. Back row - J. Bushnell Smith and Ray Biehler. Front row - Sam Clark Jr, Havey Donaldson, Manley Butts, and Frank Lucas. This was the beginnings of the NBRSA.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201947_zpslmagq8hi.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201947_zpslmagq8hi.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee,
The second picture was Clair Taylor.

martin zuck
05-29-2016, 08:30 PM
Lee,
The second picture was Clair Taylor.

Misread your post! I think Don Robbins was in the middle and Clair Taylor was on the right.

martin zuck
05-29-2016, 08:34 PM
Misread your post! I think Don Robbins was in the middle and Clair Taylor was on the right.

I was right the first time. Clair Taylor is my final answer!

ebb
05-31-2016, 05:58 PM
That picture that is looking back to the line and shows all the old cars and the tent. I but you wouldn't have to look through too many of them to find a some hand made corn liquor, But I bet it stayed in the car till all the rifles were put away for the day.

Lee Martin
06-08-2016, 10:24 AM
Wally Hart, 1955. Note the rear bumper reloading table.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Wally%20Hart%201950_zpst1bbtatv.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Wally%20Hart%201950_zpst1bbtatv.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

sdean
06-08-2016, 01:19 PM
Cool pictures Lee. Thanks

Lee Martin
06-09-2016, 12:22 PM
Pine Tree Gun Club, May 31st 1952.
Left to Right - Bob Wallack, Harvey Donaldson, Art Crowther.
Harvey is holding Wallack's recently released book "Modern Accuracy"

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Harvey%20Donaldson_zpsxmrkui4j.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Harvey%20Donaldson_zpsxmrkui4j.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
06-14-2016, 03:20 PM
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Taylor%20amp%20Robbins%201_zpsl134tc94.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Taylor%20amp%20Robbins%201_zpsl134tc94.jpg.html)

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Taylor%20amp%20Robbins%202_zpsbfvwl3in.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Taylor%20amp%20Robbins%202_zpsbfvwl3in.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
07-06-2016, 11:32 AM
Johnstown 1955. In the second row, third from the right, you'll notice Elmer Keith was in attendance (just look for the big cowboy hat). To his right is Bob Wallack, Homer Culver, and Warren Page.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%201950_zpsljjeaurw.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%201950_zpsljjeaurw.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
07-22-2016, 11:06 AM
Al Marciante presenting Cliff Allen a trophy for the best 10-shot group at Trenton, NJ 1949. It measured 1.557"

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Al%20Maricante%20amp%20Cliff%20Allen_zpsqxpvau5w.j pg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Al%20Maricante%20amp%20Cliff%20Allen_zpsqxpvau5w.j pg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
07-22-2016, 11:07 AM
Dubois shoot, May 29 - 31, 1948:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Dubois%201948_zpsyprwdlwz.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Dubois%201948_zpsyprwdlwz.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Bill Gammon
07-22-2016, 11:30 AM
Lee
Keep them coming, did not have Cliff Allen. My personal Email is
bill.gammon@bell.net

In all honesty Wilbur has offered a special section, (I think), for photos. I am waiting until Sept and I will start showing pictures and hopefully someone will recognize someone. But in the meantime, Lee, keep them coming along with names. I have about 2525 pictures now. So if you Email me I will let you know whether I have the pictures. I have also included wives, but at this time I do not have many.
THANK YOU
Bill

Mike Bryant
09-03-2016, 02:28 PM
Not quite as long ago as the photos that Lee has posted, but a little bit more recent benchrest history. This was the first NBRSA Nationals that they held at the Whittington Center at Raton, NM. Don't remember which year it was. I scanned the photo with enough resolution that you can blow it up and recognize faces. Lots of shooters in the photo who have "Left the Range".

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Gene Beggs
09-03-2016, 02:59 PM
Not quite as long ago as the photos that Lee has posted, but a little bit more recent benchrest history. This was the first NBRSA Nationals that they held at the Whittington Center at Raton, NM. Don't remember which year it was. I scanned the photo with enough resolution that you can blow it up and recognize faces. Lots of shooters in the photo who have "Left the Range".

18306



Mike, I remember that day like it was yesterday. It was surely one of Harold Broughton's and his wife Juanez proudest days. The Broughton's worked long and hard on the Whittington Center benchrest range and it was named in their honor.

I was able to recognize many of the faces in the first two or three rows. Harold is easy to spot, he's front row center and biggest of them all. You old timers, see how many you can recognize.

Later

Gene Beggs

Mike Bryant
09-03-2016, 03:31 PM
Mike, I remember that day like it was yesterday. It was surely one of Harold Broughton's and his wife Juanez proudest days. The Broughton's worked long and hard on the Whittington Center benchrest range and it was named in their honor.

I was able to recognize many of the faces in the first two or three rows. Harold is easy to spot, he's front row center and biggest of them all. You old timers, see how many you can recognize.

Later

Gene Beggs

If you click on the thumbnail photo and then when the larger photo comes up click on it a couple more times at least on my computer, the photo will get pretty large and easier to recognize a lot of shooters. Jack and Michelle Sutton are in the middle left side of the photo. Jef Fowler on the front row. Pretty hard to miss Tom Libby in it as that was in his wild and crazy days before he got serious about his shooting. I recognize a lot of people in that photo and I'm sure that a lot of us would like to be the size that we were in it. I know I would, a few less pounds back then. There's a guy on the front row, third from the left who looks pretty familiar, hey Gene?

Butch Lambert
09-03-2016, 06:01 PM
If you click on the thumbnail photo and then when the larger photo comes up click on it a couple more times at least on my computer, the photo will get pretty large and easier to recognize a lot of shooters. Jack and Michelle Sutton are in the middle left side of the photo. Jef Fowler on the front row. Pretty hard to miss Tom Libby in it as that was in his wild and crazy days before he got serious about his shooting. I recognize a lot of people in that photo and I'm sure that a lot of us would like to be the size that we were in it. I know I would, a few less pounds back then. There's a guy on the front row, third from the left who looks pretty familiar, hey Gene?

Mike, I was there, but I guess I missed the Picture.

Mike Bryant
09-03-2016, 07:02 PM
Mike, I was there, but I guess I missed the Picture.

Too bad they can't get a group photo at every Nationals. Turk was taking the photos and he used my camera to take this one. That's how I wound up with a print of it. Pre-digital cameras or it would probably blow up larger where you could identify people more easily. Hard to see how a 35mm negative blow up large enough to see much detail. This was off of a scan of the photo, so 300 dpi was as good as I could get.

Hunter
09-04-2016, 10:51 AM
I see, let's say, the following:

A three-person front row (in the center) and don't know any of those guys.

In addition, one-and-a-half rows of guys kneeling or sitting, and recognize, maybe the following:

Is that Jackie Schmidt on the far left?
Is that Mike Ratigan near the center, shielding his eyes from the sun with his right hand?
Tom Libby, with the smiley face hat?
Obviously, Tony Boyer in the red shirt near the far right.
Is that Lester Bruno on the far right?
Is that Speedy, behind and over Ratigan's left shoulder?

As for the folks standing, I recognize, maybe, the following:

First row:
Is that Bill Brawand, third from left, with blue shirt and cap?
Manny Garcia, near the center, red shirt?
Lowell Frei, white shirt, just behind TB?
Carolyn Libby, on Manny's left?

Other rows:
Billy Stevens, dark cap, mustache, behind Carolyn Libby?
Ron Hohen, near the center, with a beard, no glasses, wearing a white shirt, behind a guy wearing a blue cap
Dave Tunbridge, near back right, plaid shirt, with glasses and dark hair, behind guy with long beard?

Who are the rest of those folks?

Gene Beggs
09-04-2016, 12:33 PM
if we could identify everyone in the picture? :p I'll bet we can do it. We've already made a good start. Once I followed instructions and learned to focus in more detail, I recognized several friends I missed the first time. Let's give it a try; what do ya' say?

Later,

Gene Beggs

Mike Bryant
09-04-2016, 03:19 PM
Front row sitting, left to right: ?, Harold Broughton, Shorty Strickland

Second row sitting, left to right, Jim Hostetler, Bob Jourdain, Gene Beggs, Arnold Jewell, Jef Fowler, Dan Kinniman, George Kelbly, Ed Watson, ?, Tim Oltersdorf, Mike Ratigan, ?, ?, Tom Libby, Gary O'Cock?, Lou Murdica, ?, ?, Tony Boyer, Skip Otto, Lester Bruno.

Third row kneeling or sitting, left to right, ?,?,?, ?, Stan Buchtel, Charlie Delessandro, Fred Hasecuster, ?, Bud Mundy, Speedy Gonzales, ?, ?, ?

Fourth row standing, Larry Englebrecht, Terry Donaldson, Bill Brawand, ?, Pat Ferrell, Burton Ferrell, Red Cornelison, Manny Garcia, Carolyn Libby, Yvette Gonzales, Cherly Horner, Everett Horner, ?, Garland Holland, Jim Erickson, ?, Lowell Frei,Larry Baggett, Dennis Wagner, Mike Bryant, ?, Jerrell Mattingly, ?

Fifth row, ?, Otto Klittich, ?,?,Merlin Hubbard?, Don Creach, Jack Sutton, Michelle Sutton,?, Bill Hull, ?, Rex Reneau, Dan Dowling, quite a bit of space, Mickey Coleman, Don Gentner, Bart Sauter, Eunice Berger, ?, Dave Tooley?, ?, ?, ?, Larry Kuse, Ruth Kuse, ?, Jackie Schmidt, Joe Archer

Sixth row, Paul Holland?,

Seventh row, Bob White,

Eighth row, Dennis Tinkham,

If you recognize yourself or someone else, feel free to copy and paste adding your name. Be nice to get everyone named.

I can pick out people here and there farther back in the photo, but a lot more ? than names for me. If the photo was better, I might be able to pick out more.

Don Creach, Jack and Michelle Sutton are right behind Bill Brawand. Vicki Beard next to Michelle with Pat Byrne standing behind Vicki. Bill Hull behind the Ferrells. Rex Reneau next to Dan Dowling behind Red Cornelison. George Ulrich, Billy Stevens and Mickey Coleman behind Manny Garcia. Don Gentner behind Yvette Gonzales, Walt and Eunice Berger to the right and behind Don Gentler. P. J. Hart is in the upper right back of the photo with a blue shirt with two white stripes, sunglasses and maroon cap, Larry Baggett is standing between and behind Lowell Frei and Dennis Wagner. Larry and Ruth Kuse are standing behind Larry Baggett on each side of him. I'm pretty sure that's Jackie Schmidt standing behind me with the grey cap, right of him is Joe Archer. Darrell Whitman is standing behind Larry Kuse. Dave Blazzard is standing to the right in the photo of P. J. Two tall men in the very back, Tom Dickson and Chris Wramp who was the range officer for the match as well as range officer at Midland. Dennis Tinkham far upper left corner of photo with his signature hat. Ed Adams in yellow shirt and beard. Roy Damron to the left in front of Ed.

Hunter
09-04-2016, 06:07 PM
Mike, thanks for taking time to list the names you recognize. About how old do you suppose that photo is, 20 yrs?

Mike Bryant
09-04-2016, 11:49 PM
I don't remember what year that was and haven't located where I stuck my nationals patches to tell. Harold Broughton passed away February 1, 2004. So was a few years before then anyway. Found my patch from that event. That was the 1999 NBRSA nationals at Raton, NM.

Bill Gammon
09-06-2016, 07:28 AM
Dan Kinniman sitting to the right of Jeff Folwer, Terry Donaldson to Bill Brawand immediate left, in other words to the right of Bill.

Mike Bryant
09-06-2016, 10:20 AM
Dan Kinniman sitting to the right of Jeff Folwer, Terry Donaldson to Bill Brawand immediate left, in other words to the right of Bill.

Bill, do I have them listed correctly now? The left and right thing gets a little confusing when looking at photos. The persons left and right or the photos left and right. With all the dark glasses, it's pretty hard to recognize people in a photo that was taken 17 years ago. If anyone has names identifying people let me know and I'll add them to the list I posted. If I can find the negative, I'll see if I can get a poster sized version of the photo made.

Bill Gammon
09-06-2016, 11:36 AM
This is what I have found, left to right,

Dan Kinniman to the right of Jeff Fowler
Terry Donaldson to the right of Bill Brawand
Dan Dowling to the left of Manny Garcia
Bill Dryfield to the right of Ron Hoehn, I think that is Bill, almost sure.
Neil Jones to the right of Cecil Tucker
Steve Theye to the left of Cecil and down
Pat Canning behind Don Gentner to the left

Mike Bryant
09-06-2016, 02:27 PM
Bill, I thought that looked like Neil Jones at first too, but think that may be Pat Byrne with a beard as he is right behind Vicki Beard. On the right side of the photo there is someone who looks a lot like Neil. I started a new thread trying to identify these photos rather than take up space in the original thread.

Chism G
09-08-2016, 09:53 AM
I keep saying it. History is very important to the Sport. The people,the times, the events, says a lot about where it all began and where its headed.

There must be a way to archive(preserve) the information in this thread. Give it a special place for future reference. This Forum is a great place to start.

Keep it going.




Glenn

Lee Martin
09-08-2016, 01:37 PM
The story of how drawing for benches came to be as told by H.L. Culver (Precision Shooting, December 1989):
_________________________________

“Dear Dave,

In the October issue, page #38, yes, that is indeed Edith Culver, as you speculate that it may be. I not only recognize her, but the front rest, the cartridge block, and the action on the rifle (which I made). In fact I made that whole rifle, except for the barrel of course. The lady shooting next to her is Bernice McMullen, who used to be the secretary of the NBRSA.
A little story on who started the idea of “drawing for benches”. When we started shooting in 1951, Edith noticed that certain shooters always got the number one bench at Dubois and Johnstown. Both benches were relatively protected from the wind…at Johnstown by a row of trees and at Dubois by a high bank. While not popular, as an idea, with the shooters at large, they just accepted the fact that this was the way things are. Not Edith. She promptly went off looking for Ed McNalley who was then NBRSA President and demanded to know why we didn’t draw for benches. Well, old Ed just about swallowed his chewing tobacco. This was going to upset certain elements of the insiders….specifically the ones perched on those preferred benches. Nonetheless, in fairness to the gentleman, he came to think it was a good idea and backed it. Bob Hart became involved in the matter….which had folks all agitated on both sides of the argument….and helped put it through.
The fellow who had previously always had bench one got his nose all out of joint over this and shortly thereafter dropped out of the benchrest game. I suspect you would know who this was David (Editor: Yes, the gentleman came from Maine).

Homer L. Culver
1219 North Stuart Street
Arlington, VA 22201

Left – Edith Culver, Right – Bernice McMullen

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

High Noon
09-08-2016, 04:55 PM
Benchrest history fans if your looking to collect a couple vintage benchrest rifles I would check the two I just listed in the classifieds here on Benchrest Central before I list them on the other gun sites. The Stolle Panda is a very early gun and the very first one made in 1975! Ralph made only a few complete rifles with the beautiful laminated wood thumbhole stocks. It is like new with three barrels and a vintage Lyman All American scope. This was the benchrest shooters dream rifle of the day. It would be very hard to find one this nice and is a rare opportunity to own one.

The second rifle is a beautiful sleeved XP-100 McMillan built rifle in the old classic 222.5. Fantastic laminated walnut stock and a beautiful sleeve. (scope extra)

Check them out in the classifies.

Thanks,
High Noon

Bill Gammon
09-09-2016, 09:04 AM
Lee Martin, wish you lived in my area, as you know I am trying to get pictures and that one of Edith Culver went into the mix. I am really trying to get a lot of the older pictures. Send the names you have and I will let you know if I have them.
Bill
bill.gammon@bell.net

Lee Martin
11-30-2016, 01:13 PM
Building the Johnstown, NY range in 1947:

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Butch Lambert
11-30-2016, 02:34 PM
Building the Johnstown, NY range in 1947:

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Building%20Johnstown%201947%202_zpse4zv1z8g.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Building%20Johnstown%201947%202_zpse4zv1z8g.jpg.ht ml)

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Love the photos Lee!

Lee Martin
01-18-2017, 12:03 PM
Building the Johnstown clubhouse, circa mid-1950s (earlier I stated 48/49 - thanks to a member for noting the '54 Chevy in photo #2).

The gentleman on the far left facing the camera is Harvey Donaldson.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%20Clubhouse%201_zps2sbxk6wp.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%20Clubhouse%201_zps2sbxk6wp.jpg.html)

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Some notable folks in the group shot: absolute far left is Warren Page. The first row contains Harvey Donaldson and Jerry Southard is fourth from the left. The two back rows contain Bob & Clyde Hart, Frank Hubbard, Sam Wilson, Ruth McMillan and Crawf Hollidge.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z149/AtomicPinUp/Benchrest/Johnstown%20Clubhouse%203_zpsc3bdopxg.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/AtomicPinUp/media/Benchrest/Johnstown%20Clubhouse%203_zpsc3bdopxg.jpg.html)

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Butch Lambert
01-18-2017, 04:33 PM
Barrel maker Buhmiller and our own Jim Carmichel

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JDMock
01-26-2017, 10:02 PM
These men have been at the SS since the beginning. I believe that the three seated have made every SS. James Sorry, I did not include the names of these Icons. Standing is Skip Gordon, who first had the idea of a Super Shoot. Seated are George Kelbly, Sr., Stan Buchtel, and Bob White. These men can have a lot of memories to share when they get together.

Bill Gammon
01-27-2017, 07:26 AM
I believe you are right, Skip, in the back, left to right, George, Stan, and Bob,

superdave269
02-03-2017, 07:37 PM
I realize that this is an old thread, I just found it while doing a Goggle search of the Marciante Blue Streak. Everyone seams to think it was Al that named it, but it was grandma who named the cartridge the "Blue Streak." She would often accompany her husband Al to the range. While she was sitting and crocheting she noticed the vapor trail and pointed it out to her husband. While I did not know Al Marciante I do have fond memories of "Grandma". I would talk with her when I would go to visit her son Walt. Walt also a gunsmith had collected quite a few of the rifles that his father built over the years. I spent many hours at the range shooting with Walt. He showed me a record target that his father shoot many years before. Even though the record had been broken years ago it was still impressive to see that along with he certificate that was with it. It was in a frame that hung in his basement. I believe it was the smallest group fired at 100 yards.( at the time) Walt showed me how to set up my first Lee press and the proper way to bench shoot, not to mention how to do a trigger job etc.. Boy those were some fun times. I didn't realize at the time that those days were destine to become the "good ol days"
Happy Shooting

Doubs
02-05-2017, 01:19 PM
I've gone through more than half of the posts and if I missed mention of this book, I apologize.

For those interested in bench rest history, a good book is "THE ACCURATE RIFLE" by Warren Page. It's well worth finding IMO.

Bill Gammon
02-06-2017, 07:32 AM
OK superdave269 where are the photos. I have some of Al, but that is all, the photos I have, and are going through are of the shooters and their wives. To Doubs, I have 3 of Warren's book, 2 are for sale and very reasonable priced. I am going to put them in items for sale. I may be contacted at bill.gammon@rogers.com

Lee Martin
02-06-2017, 08:43 AM
I realize that this is an old thread, I just found it while doing a Goggle search of the Marciante Blue Streak. Everyone seams to think it was Al that named it, but it was grandma who named the cartridge the "Blue Streak." She would often accompany her husband Al to the range. While she was sitting and crocheting she noticed the vapor trail and pointed it out to her husband. While I did not know Al Marciante I do have fond memories of "Grandma". I would talk with her when I would go to visit her son Walt. Walt also a gunsmith had collected quite a few of the rifles that his father built over the years. I spent many hours at the range shooting with Walt. He showed me a record target that his father shoot many years before. Even though the record had been broken years ago it was still impressive to see that along with he certificate that was with it. It was in a frame that hung in his basement. I believe it was the smallest group fired at 100 yards.( at the time) Walt showed me how to set up my first Lee press and the proper way to bench shoot, not to mention how to do a trigger job etc.. Boy those were some fun times. I didn't realize at the time that those days were destine to become the "good ol days"
Happy Shooting

Neat history and thanks for sharing that. My dad built a .22 Marciante Blue Streak on a Falling Works action. We've been shooting it for 20+ years and it's a fine cartridge.

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
02-17-2017, 11:04 AM
Butch Lambert was kind enough to send me some old NBRSA rule books. As most of you know, I collect any and all history related to our sport.

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The 1972 edition is of particular interest to me....it was the year I was born. Butch also sent a few other neat pieces I'll be posting soon.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

stump
04-03-2017, 08:34 AM
Y'all sure this ain't a photo of Twin Oaks range in Dublin,Ga,home of The Shamrock,circa 1999-2000? Looks like our original 10 bench firing line!

stump
04-03-2017, 08:41 AM
Johnstown 1949. The shooter on the far left is Jennings Prescott. Head-up with hat is Townsend Whelan and to his left is Al Marciante.

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Looks like Twin Oaks in Dublin,Ga.,home of The Shamrock,circa 1999-2000! We started out with ten wooden benches!

Lee Martin
04-03-2017, 01:59 PM
The first article on H.L. Culver's powder measure insert from 1953. I believe he started making them in '51.

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
06-28-2017, 03:20 PM
Early benchrest pioneer, Al Marciante. The photo was taken in his shop around 1946:

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Lee Martin
09-19-2017, 09:53 PM
With the re-print of "Secrets of the Houston Warehouse" in this month's Precision Rifleman, here's the actual warehouse:

9838 East Freeway East
Houston, TX

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-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Ulvan83
11-17-2018, 01:31 AM
WOW Thanks.. Back in 1970 I thought my Rem 788 22-250 was the most accurate. I suppose it was right out of the box.
Bill

Noachian78
11-28-2018, 09:32 AM
I believe McCracken bullets were under ten cents apiece back then and I bought Sierras for about 6.50 a box. I still have some Winchester match bullets from around 1980 which cost me 5.60 per hundred. Given inflation, I guess things are not that bad now! Regards, Bill

BillBrawand
02-01-2019, 01:04 AM
Yes, Bill Brawand, first standing row, 3rd from the left with a "Brawand Bullets" ball cap and blue shirt!
Hi. Bills

BillBrawand
02-10-2019, 05:38 PM
For history's sake, Clarence Detsch called me to pick him a one-and-only reamer in Johnstown NY, this was 1974. I was to received it from a man from Bronells (a heavy set man I remember) … I received it wrapped up in a light oil rag inside of a brown small bag. I brought it home and took it over to Clarence when he unwrapped it he told me it was a one an only PPC reamer, 6 MM. He later chambered me a barrel for this reamer for bringing it home to him.
Sometime later Clarence let me read a letter from Pawlack of experimental work that they were doing with the PPC and his answer was the most accurate bullet for PPC was 61 grain.


I put this in just for history. Bill

Dave Coots
03-20-2019, 04:27 PM
I bought quite a bit of stuff from Bob when I started out accuracy shooting.
Later
Dave

Butch Lambert
03-20-2019, 05:00 PM
I bought quite a bit of stuff from Bob when I started out accuracy shooting.
Later
Dave

Back in the day Bob was doing or have them made- The Poor Man's PPC. I sent him a new 700 in 22-250 and he had it chambered in 22BR. It had a very nice bedding job in the original wood stock. I still have my info from shooting it at the local range. Bob was a good guy to deal with.

Dave Coots
03-20-2019, 05:18 PM
The one and only built my first custom rifle in 1989, a 22-250 improved Tn chamber. I ended up turning brass for 3 of 4 pd rifles. He gave me the business for going with a tn chamber for shooting dogs. Trued Rem700, Hart bbl, mc Millan stock. Shot good. 55gr Sierra's at 4064 fps without any pressure. He built me 3 more pd guns before I got this disease. I have a 22br also Butch. They're a great caliber.

Later
Dave

Wilbur
03-22-2019, 06:58 AM
Bob Pease sure was a "good guy" but he'd give you the business if you wanted something goofy....and rightfully so. I've got those same bound "articles" that Dave has but I think I only have three of them.

Dave Coots
03-22-2019, 08:12 AM
If anyone wants these Pease articles, I'll send them to you.

Later
Dave

Butch Lambert
03-22-2019, 08:57 AM
That is right up Lee Martin's interest and collection.

Lee Martin
03-22-2019, 09:40 AM
If anyone wants these Pease articles, I'll send them to you.

Later
Dave

Dave.....I'm interested. PM on its way.

Thanks,

-Lee
www.singelactions.com

Butch Lambert
05-01-2019, 09:37 AM
Lee, I may have the letters that Seely Masker sent to me when he was building my first real BR rifle. I can send them to you if you like.

1911Nut
05-02-2019, 12:13 PM
http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?93774-Benchrest-History-Thread/page3


Lee,
I believe that was a picture of Clair Taylor.

I’ve read that Don Robbins was known for excellent checkering work. Good chance he did the checkering of my Taylor and Robbins 219 Donaldson Wasp unlimited bag gun.

No gun puts a smile on my face like when I set the Wasp on the bags and the smile gets bigger with every group.




22327

Wilbur
05-08-2019, 08:14 PM
Really nice rifle there 1911Nut!!!

B_Rob85
05-08-2019, 09:45 PM
I love this thread.

Lee Martin
05-08-2019, 10:14 PM
Lee, I may have the letters that Seely Masker sent to me when he was building my first real BR rifle. I can send them to you if you like.

I'd definitely be interested in copies Butch if it isn't too much trouble. Masker contributed greatly to this sport of ours. They'd be a wonderful read.

Thanks,

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

tim
06-06-2019, 12:35 PM
I'd definitely be interested in copies Butch if it isn't too much trouble. Masker contributed greatly to this sport of ours. They'd be a wonderful read.

Thanks,

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Masker was, literally, one of a kind. Often when he came to shoot at Camillus, he showed up in his big wood paneled station wagon that had a custom fabricated roof rack that he did up to look like about a 6’ long artillery shell. Said he only got stopped maybe once or twice by the state police.
His son Jerry still comes up for our IBS match.
Almost had him build my first real BR gun but I’m right down the road from Harts and Clyde convinced me this “PPC thing “ might be a passing fad and built me a 6x47 on a sleeved 600. Thing drove me nuts for years.

Butch Lambert
06-06-2019, 03:52 PM
I'd definitely be interested in copies Butch if it isn't too much trouble. Masker contributed greatly to this sport of ours. They'd be a wonderful read.

Thanks,

-Lee
www.singleactions.com


I'm sorry I missed your replay. Email you address as I haven't found it.
Butch

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Lee Martin
06-10-2019, 09:12 AM
I'm sorry I missed your replay. Email you address as I haven't found it.
Butch

PM sent. Thanks Butch.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com