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albie431
09-29-2015, 10:54 AM
Fellow Shooters I have purchased 8lbs of military surplus 8208 as i am getting into group shooting again. I have little or no knowledge of this powder except what I see on match reports. Can I get some advice as to where to start and some info as to how this stuff shoots.

classcat
09-29-2015, 10:58 AM
Fellow Shooters I have purchased 8lbs of military surplus 8208 as i am getting into group shooting again. I have little or no knowledge of this powder except what I see on match reports. Can I get some advice as to where to start and some info as to how this stuff shoots.

LOT Number ?

albie431
09-29-2015, 11:19 AM
lot number ?

lot # aac122910

classcat
09-29-2015, 11:49 AM
Have not had any luck with that lot in 6-MM PPC. I originally purchased a full case (6-8's) in hope s that it would perform, however i successfully chased my tail with 4 and 1's, and sold the other 5 . Sometimes it would shoot well , but not in comparison to other 8208's i have. I shot it anywhere from 27.6 - 29.5.
I heard that some shooters in Minn,Mich, and that area had some success with it, however here in Arizona we could not get it to work consistently.
GOOD LUCK.
Joe P. Phx

JerrySharrett
09-29-2015, 12:52 PM
lot # aac122910

Probably in a white jug with an orange label? GI Brass.

Should work fine as a guess. Start about 29 grains and work up to a case full-1/8" from top of case with a SLOW pour.

If you can get close or to 3400 fps it will do the job.

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classcat
09-29-2015, 01:03 PM
Probably in a white jug with an orange label? GI Brass.

Should work fine as a guess. Start about 29 grains and work up to a case full-1/8" from top of case with a SLOW pour.

If you can get close or to 3400 fps it will do the job.

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NO,,, It's a Black Jug with a White label. and 29 grains is 3425 FPS

albie431
09-29-2015, 02:30 PM
NO,,, It's a Black Jug with a White label. and 29 grains is 3425 FPS

THANK YOU ALL for the info

JerrySharrett
09-29-2015, 05:11 PM
NO,,, It's a Black Jug with a White label. and 29 grains is 3425 FPS

That should work....unless that jug might be a mixture of military 8208 and 4895 or similar. If you are having a high ES that is a possibility in which re stirring the powder might help.


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skeetlee
10-07-2015, 08:56 AM
This is really good powder in my opinion. I've been told and I tend to agree that this powder is a vit powder and most likely n132. A couple doctors did some extensive lab work to come to this conclusion. This powder has graphite in it so it's a little dirty. Start at 29grains and work up. Some start at 27.5. I shoot mine around 29grains ish. Lee

SGS
10-07-2015, 10:53 AM
I, too have heard that this is particular lot is not actually IMR powder. It was distributed through Bruno's 5 or 6 years ago. I have 4 jugs, and I haven't ever had a chance to try it. I know others have found a good combination with it.

CMaier
10-07-2015, 12:23 PM
If i remember correctly, lester tried this powder...it was available form one of the mil surplus powder
vendors. When he saw how good it was , he bought most of the lot and resold it through their store.

GerryM
10-07-2015, 11:39 PM
Yes and no one else got a chance to buy some,at the $10 per pound price either

tzander
10-07-2015, 11:42 PM
I had 32lbs of it. I struggled to get it to shoot.

CMaier
10-08-2015, 12:15 AM
not true....
they quit selling to the public when he made his offer, but they did sell some prior to his purchase.


Yes and no one else got a chance to buy some,at the $10 per pound price either

CMaier
10-08-2015, 12:17 AM
same lot number or ???
several lots have hit the market.
not all were good for br, most have been great in 308 win.


I had 32lbs of it. I struggled to get it to shoot.

GerryM
10-08-2015, 10:01 AM
Yes and no.
It came on to the web site for afew days.
Lester got all of the rest of the powder in the pull down
If I remember there were some packaged lots still around too.

tzander
10-08-2015, 10:31 AM
same lot number or ???
several lots have hit the market.
not all were good for br, most have been great in 308 win.

Yes it was same lot # only tried it in a ppc.

kenny46
10-08-2015, 12:04 PM
If anyone is interested i have 16 pounds I would sell.

CMaier
10-08-2015, 12:20 PM
So the answer is just what i said.

He bought most but not all.
What is so hard about saying that ??

Do you understand that lester had to find the powder, get some shipped, test and then negotiate a purchase.
The rest of us, regular customers, bought powder in that time frame.
NO, lester did not buy it all. he did buy all that was LEFT.


Yes and no.
It came on to the web site for afew days.
Lester got all of the rest of the powder in the pull down
If I remember there were some packaged lots still around too.

GerryM
10-08-2015, 07:56 PM
I bought some would be 8208 from Krazy.
It doesn't shoot, it's nothing at all like the other 8208 that i had in the past.

CMaier
10-08-2015, 10:14 PM
no idea who krazy is.
the three known reliable mil surplus powder resellers are
pat's reloading
gi brass
and some times
hitech


I bought some would be 8208 from Krazy.
It doesn't shoot, it's nothing at all like the other 8208 that i had in the past.

caroby
10-09-2015, 03:24 PM
If anyone is interested i have 16 pounds I would sell.

PM sent,
cale

JerrySharrett
10-10-2015, 08:00 AM
I bought some would be 8208 from Krazy.
It doesn't shoot, it's nothing at all like the other 8208 that i had in the past.


Was it A068?


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GerryM
10-11-2015, 11:13 AM
Hi Jerry
Lot AO86 LC12124 is on the jug

JerrySharrett
10-12-2015, 06:47 AM
Hi Jerry
Lot AO86 LC12124 is on the jug

No notes on that one, sorry.

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HovisKM
10-18-2015, 03:07 PM
Hello,

Black jug 8208 acc122910 is not 8208. This powder was never in U.S. inventory as a powder, or loaded round. What I could find out through the Army Ammunition Activity (worked across the hall from them for a few years), is they had to run it against NATO database in Germany and found out that is was a machine gun 5.56 NATO ammo ordered and kept by another NATO partner, somewhere around 1980-1981. That's about all they could find out, without wasting to much time.

It is a clean pulldown powder. I haven't found any junk like the old 8208 had in it (wire, trash, etc). This lot of powder was bought by a person around St. Louis and sold. This is where Lester bought it from. But I bought a bunch from the original owner, several months after he sold some to Lester. A good while after that, I had called him back and he had no more, telling me that he sold the last 5000 lbs to a ammunition manufacturer, so I suspect the last of it did not go to Lester but who knows.

The biggest point here is to not confuse this stuff with 8208.

Hovis

liljoe
10-18-2015, 06:39 PM
I agree with Kevin on this. It is not the traditional 8208 you are thinking of, no matter what the label says. I showed the stuff, Lot # ACC122910 to a guy that knows way more about the process of making powder than all the rest of us combined. He had never seen or heard of it and told me it was not 8208.

I had about 12 jugs of it at one time and sold it. I could never get it to shoot like I wanted it to. The best luck I had with it was in my 30BR with the case stuffed as full as you could get.


Joe Hynes

CMaier
10-18-2015, 08:30 PM
Ok the 'GUY' was a milsurplus business. , a place that regularly sold milsurplus powder.

He is in the business of selling powder..on a regular basis.

Since you are saying "guy" i am guessing Pat, of Pat's Reloading.

AND it was sold as 8208....like it or not, actual imr 8208 or not.


Hello,

Black jug 8208 acc122910 is not 8208. This powder was never in U.S. inventory as a powder, or loaded round. What I could find out through the Army Ammunition Activity (worked across the hall from them for a few years), is they had to run it against NATO database in Germany and found out that is was a machine gun 5.56 NATO ammo ordered and kept by another NATO partner, somewhere around 1980-1981. That's about all they could find out, without wasting to much time.

It is a clean pulldown powder. I haven't found any junk like the old 8208 had in it (wire, trash, etc). This lot of powder was bought by a person around St. Louis and sold. This is where Lester bought it from. But I bought a bunch from the original owner, several months after he sold some to Lester. A good while after that, I had called him back and he had no more, telling me that he sold the last 5000 lbs to a ammunition manufacturer, so I suspect the last of it did not go to Lester but who knows.

The biggest point here is to not confuse this stuff with 8208.

Hovis