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Travelor
08-07-2015, 06:22 PM
It seems to me that when I order something, until I have it in hand is not mine. But I see all the time where the seller is wanting the buyer to pay for the insuring of an item including a gun.

Example to argue my case: When a seller sends a gun to the purchaser, that person cannot have it until it is transferred to him/her by the receiving FFL.

Bad logic or your logic?

mrspradlin
08-07-2015, 07:45 PM
not sure ai understand what you are getting at.
But for me when I sell anything I always make the sale price "shipped and insured" that away I have peace of mind.
When I have bought rifles the seller did not do that but we made an agreement for me to pay the shipping and insurance after the rifle was shipped that away I knew the amount to pay.

The rifles I have sold the FFL dealer has always been very helpful and provided me with some for of documentation that the firearm has been transfered into the buyers name and the buyer now has control of the item.

Wilbur
08-07-2015, 11:58 PM
Pretty sure I understand what you're sayin'. You are paying the insurance fee and won't get the money if something happens to the item in transit. I don't think anybody would ship something like a gun and not have insurance but rather than include the insurance in the cost of the item, it seems to be a better deal if kept separate. It's not, but it seems to be.

rkittine
08-08-2015, 09:10 AM
I answered this same post on another forum, but based on the last reply, I had not thought of that. Good point. You pay for something then you pay for the insurance, which is in the sellers name. For now on, I will ask for something in writing stating that if lost, the insurance payment will go to me. I have some things to ship on Monday so I will ask UPS if you can assign the insurance to the consignee.

Bob

B.Larson
08-08-2015, 09:58 AM
again....this is something that should be agreed upon before payment is made.... when a seller says..shipped to your door.... he must insure it......
example.....
I recently purchased a scope for 795$ shipped and ins... per the sellers advertisement.................
when i got it it was shipped uninsured usps and in transit for 8 days.............luckily scope was not damaged or lost...... or I would have been screwed....
bill larson

Dick Grosbier
08-08-2015, 06:51 PM
i got it it was shipped uninsured usps and in transit for 8 days.............luckily scope was not damaged or lost...... or I would have been screwed....
bill larson

Possibly, but not necessarily. Some people who sell a lot of things choose to self insure. The question you cannot answer until it happens is will the seller stand behind his word.
Dick

glp
08-08-2015, 07:04 PM
FOB ( freight on board) it's yours when it leaves the builder. If it's COD it's his till you get it. I would be surprised if anyone would ship you a gun COD. Best to clarify the point before it's shipped and buy insurance regardless of the way it's shipped.

Dick Grosbier
08-08-2015, 07:10 PM
It seems to me that when I order something, until I have it in hand is not mine. But I see all the time where the seller is wanting the buyer to pay for the insuring of an item including a gun.


Like it or not this is how it is very often done. Any person selling an item and any person purchasing can really set any conditions they want as long as they both agree. If you do not like a man's conditions do not make the deal.
A bigger issue to me is you are in most cases putting up your hard earned money before you ever get a chance to actually see the item. And in most cases you have no way to cancel the transaction if you are dissatisfied unless the seller is really honest. If he is really honest you probably will have no desire to cancel transaction anyhow. Benchrest is a pretty small community and almost all the people I have met in almost 40yrs of shooting are extremely reputable but i always wonder. There are escrow services out there you can use but most people myself included simply will not bother to use them.
Dick

JerrySharrett
08-09-2015, 07:47 AM
I share Dicks concern. Fortunately, in the benchrest community, there are vendors like the Harrell's who ship you items with the invoice enclosed and expect you to return them if you don't like them or send them payment if you do. If it weren't for GCA 68 we could do that with guns.

Memo to self-campaign for repeal of GCA 68. This intrusive act did nothing to lower the crime rate.

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HovisKM
08-10-2015, 04:43 PM
Here is another option.....if you agree upon a price of the gun without shipping. Then have the seller give you his address, dimensions and weight of the package. Go to UPS, USPS, FedEx, etc website and purchase the shipping and insurance yourself and email or mail it to the seller. The insurance is in your name (the purchaser).

Just an option.

Hovis

Wilbur
08-10-2015, 08:40 PM
I don't know which is better...getting your money back or getting the insurance. Would someone that knows which is better give a little rundown on that?

CharlieH
08-10-2015, 08:47 PM
I don't know which is better...getting your money back or getting the insurance. Would someone that knows which is better give a little rundown on that?

Whatever would make both the seller and buyer whole would be best. But you knew that.

rkittine
08-11-2015, 07:40 AM
Also, if you Over Insure, its just like gambling in that you hope they lose it! :cool: That is a good thought about setting up the shipment from your own account and it helps if you have say a UPS Discount Account through eBay.

Bob