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lngrng
07-06-2015, 01:07 AM
Haven't seen any posts by al for quite some time. Anyone know where he is?

mike in co
07-06-2015, 01:15 AM
he is fine, i guess he got tired of the childish behavior of some.
i talked to him last week

alinwa
07-06-2015, 12:27 PM
This is for you Mark old buddy........ since't you was there when she was just a block of wood.....

Ended up clear-coating 'er me'self :)

She'll shoot the Hinges off the Doors of Hell

(sorry for the pic, took it about ten minutes ago with me' phone.....)

LOL
al

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Gene Beggs
07-06-2015, 12:55 PM
There you are Al. I've been wondering the same thing. :eek: Now I understand. You've been spending your time building rifles and shooting. :cool:

I, for one, have missed your posts here on BR Central. Hope you will join us more often. I do understand though; posting takes time that could otherwise be spent in the shop or on the range.

How 'bout some particulars on that beautiful rifle?

Later

Gene Beggs

sdean
07-06-2015, 02:20 PM
I miss you too Al. You make a fella think!

alinwa
07-06-2015, 09:44 PM
There you are Al. I've been wondering the same thing. :eek: Now I understand. You've been spending your time building rifles and shooting. :cool:

I, for one, have missed your posts here on BR Central. Hope you will join us more often. I do understand though; posting takes time that could otherwise be spent in the shop or on the range.

How 'bout some particulars on that beautiful rifle?

Later

Gene Beggs

That setup's the second of 4 300WSM reamers, this iteration is a short-neck built from a Redding die and is too tight. I now use this reamer for a resize reamer (I bought a kiln) I've gone up a couple thou in diameter and am going even bigger with my latest 'secret un-named throat' setup. That shiney old barrel is kinda' on there just for looks because I'm keeping the rifle up in my game room on a shelf under the hushbox. Ran outta' room in the shop. It's just too blasted heavy and awkward to move around!

The base is cobbled together from a setup that Pappas sent me (I hope he's not too scandalized with what I've done with it ;) ) It's still very much a prototype...... It's a first gen Farley. Most of my shooting has been off bags, blocks and plates. It's mot picky.

It's a BAT 'M' dual-port with a roller and blankable ejector (pressure-pressure-pressure)

The entire support framework is steel, currently isolated from the barreled action altho it can go metal-to-metal with an adjustable standoff. The American Color stock started out as a Shehane Big Dawg, "obeche" so it's quite fragile but it's only a "skin" over the steel framework. The frame runs three ways thru all the wood, in fact the pistol grip covers an adjustable drag bolt such that I can adjust the tension on the rear tang. In essence the rear tang is connected to the lower steel rail which is 2" wide X 3/4" thick billet steel. It's kindofa terminator thang

It weighs 68lb as it sets with the big March, I just lifted 'er down and set 'er on the pool table for the pic. Punched holes in some truly delectable old books, probably cost me a hunnert dollars to take the pic..........


buggahh....


LOL
al

Dusty Stevens
07-06-2015, 09:47 PM
Hey Al. Miss seeing you around buddy

Butch Lambert
07-07-2015, 09:17 PM
Al,
Unfortunately Mr James Pappas has left us. I miss visiting with him.

alinwa
07-07-2015, 09:28 PM
Al,
Unfortunately Mr James Pappas has left us. I miss visiting with him.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

Seems like just yesterday visiting with him about his 22 stuff. Fascinating man and just brimming with "stuff to try"

The rest he sent me had never been used, a one-off design, but his IDEAS.....Fired me right up :)

RIP James Pappas

al

Dusty Stevens
07-07-2015, 09:57 PM
I shoot off a pappas rest a lot. Nice guy.

alinwa
07-08-2015, 01:00 PM
I miss you too Al. You make a fella think!




Sorry sdean but this gets to the root of my problem.......

I feel so strongly about this that I'll even take the other side, play "Devil's Advocate" as it were, in an attempt to MAKE PEOPLE THINK!!!

I don't care about "being right" I care about learning, the advancement of knowledge. I can't count the number of times this board has changed my worldview...I mean FLIPPED me on my head.....we've had some wondrously smart contributors through the years. I've eaten so much crow that I've had to wipe with a rake.......

CharlesE-Dennis-JimB-Stephen Perry-Henry Childs-Bill Calfee-------I could go on and on, left, BANNED, or chased off..........and some of the folks who've passed on, who used to ROCK THIS BOARD!!! are rolling in their graves.....I simply cannot imagine Skip Otto, Dan Hackett, Dr Frank L Murphy on the board today!! Steenking HAROLD VAUGHN used to come on here...... and his son, an engineer in his own right....who left because he was made unwelcome.

"made unwelcome"

Most of you here today have never even MET the people mentioned.

I mean, they let Mike back because he "promised to be good"...... gimme a freakin' BREAK!!!

Censorship?

BANNING????


Naahhhhh, I'm a Free Speech kinda' guy.


But this has been ruled as "BAD" and "divisive" and "hate-speak" in today's PC-controlled world. Sadly, the day of my forebears, the world I grew up in is disappearing......the way of the world today is NOT to MAKE PEOPLE THINK, but to tell people what to think.

You've got plenty of people here who'll tell you what to think.....and how to think....and how to play...and how to load/prep/fireform/shoot/build/compete/etc ad infinitum. Shoot, you've got people here who register under several names to better serve you!

Nope, I'm an abrasive old fossil

......"not suffering fools gladly" is best left to old pharts like Finn Aagaard and Elmer Keith. "Interesting sidelights in the panorama of history" but simply not useful in today's world. A world where even our Constitution is "a living document"

What really saddens me is the fact that this board WAS the last bastion of truth on the net re things gun-related. The last place to find people who'll question the status-quo.

THE ONLY.....

Now I send the new guys elsewhere. A new guy here, even if he wins something right out the gate get's vilified not back-slapped. The nasty old guard gets a pass, the new blood gets "told how it is" and run down. I MET those guys at matches, but they've been the minority in the past. Now they've found a place.

It's dead easy to find people who'll tell you what to think.......

Read it before it's erased..... the last three posts I've made have been deemed "inappropriate"

Look up "flame suit" and "flame war" to see what free speech brings.........

al-freespeechfossil-inwa


"flame suit on"






LOL!!!

JerrySharrett
07-08-2015, 01:31 PM
Not really fair to Wilbur. He has bent over backwards and sacrificed a lot of his own funds just to keep this board going!!

BANNED?? Frank Murphy, Skip Otto and probably some of the others you mentioned have left the range.

Its obvious you were still monitoring or you would have not picked up this thread.

If you wanted to leave the forum, just leave. Don't blame your sour grapes on Mr. Harris!!



.

Boyd Allen
07-08-2015, 01:59 PM
Having spent a number of years as a moderator here, I can say that virtually all of the non spam posts that I pulled were over the line because someone had made a personal attack on someone. It was never about differences of opinion. I think that some of the examples that you mentioned left for reasons other than being personally attacked. Some are dead, and some did not like the heat that they created when they said things that others disagreed strongly with. If one posts controversial things, I think that he should expect to be disagreed with, not attacked personally, but disagreed with by at least some who have had different experiences. Of course I completely agree that if an optional activity is unduly stressful, that stopping it is entirely rational. Take care.
Boyd

Jay Cutright
07-08-2015, 02:44 PM
Al, some of the things you said in that post reminded me of why I don't like to spend much time on the forums any more. You never know how someone will take the things you post. Without the expressions we would have in face to face conversation or the tone of voice we would have in a phone conversation its hard to know how to take what we read sometimes.
I have went back and reread some of my posts and it was no where near what I thought it was when I posted it. I mean I posted and thought I just said what I meant then a year later read it and it was like daaaammn.... it sounded like I was beating the guy up on the internet. I felt bad for saying it!

I noticed you didn't have any threads going the last couple times I was on the board too and wondered what was up, glad you haven't left us.

alinwa
07-08-2015, 07:00 PM
Jerry, Boyd, Jay.... Thank You all.

Jerry, thank you. I'm not blaming Wilbur I'm blaming those folks who, often while sneaking around under different names, get their backs up.....get all bent out of shape such that Wilbur feels compelled to "do something." Our world currently revolves around "being inoffensive" which is utterly impossible! All someone has to do is scream "racist!" or "hate" or "mean" or "personal attack" and it all goes sideways.

Boyd, again, "attacked personally" is where we part ways...

Jay...... you said a mouthful :) Thank You. And I agree. BUT, any of us who have an opinion will sooner or later step over the nebulous boundary of personal feelings with someone. And the way we deal with this is that the hurt person says "HEY!" and the person who was "mean" says "WHOAHH! SORRY!" and there are hugs all-round and we move forward. 99.9% of the time the problem is one of misunderstanding.

Then there are those times when there is no misunderstanding, simply disagreement. I've had this with Jerry Sharrett. Jerry is a top-flight machinist who has strong opinions based on decades of performance. He strongly disagrees with the "Gordy Gritters Chambering Method." Now I've gone enough rounds with Jerry to feel solidly that he DOES UNDERSTAND the method, there's NO MISUNDERSTANDING, but he still disagrees. We still disagree. Jerry has repeatedly put me on his ignore list in the past because we DISAGREE.......

But see, to me, that's perfectly OK :)

I thoroughly enjoy Jerry's passion.

And his free dissemination of knowledge.

I would never put him on ignore because I might miss something.

And no, naming Jerry by name does not constitute a "personal attack" ..........

And then there are mean people. I've met a lot of people in this old world and can count on one hand the ones who're personally and repeatedly mean to others. Worse than that, and much more common are mean people who don't "attack" others, instead they do the passive/aggressive thing and constantly "take offense" at others. And gently snipe from the shadows given enough friendly backing. People like this get folks like MikeInCo or Bill Calfee "banned."

At least 7 of the people reading this thread, myself included have been moderators. It's a hard job. But moderators wouldn't have a job if people would just open up and talk.

And be themselves, honestly.

Problem is, when I'm honest (the only way I know how to be) I WILL OFFEND YOU sooner or later. If "offend you" is to disagree. I (and everyone else here) will at some point have different opinions than someone else.......oftentimes so different as to be opposite or exclusive of the other. And when two opinions are mutually exclusive then one person is most likely WRONG. An example of this would be Galileo Galilei and the Roman Catholic Church.

Galileo was not wrong,

nor was he mean.

But the church threw him out in the street.......

Like Galileo, I'm generally at odds with the masses.......

adamsgt
07-08-2015, 09:23 PM
Problem is, when I'm honest (the only way I know how to be) I WILL OFFEND YOU sooner or later. If "offend you" is to disagree. I (and everyone else here) will at some point have different opinions than someone else.......oftentimes so different as to be opposite or exclusive of the other.



Al, I repeat this every time the opportunity comes up. Being offended is a decision, you decide to be offended.

Boyd Allen
07-08-2015, 09:38 PM
Al,
Back up and take a look at this whole thread for a bit. It started out as a nice "where has Al been" and some how became something else. How do you think that happened?
Boyd

mike in co
07-08-2015, 10:21 PM
a classic example of what Al is talking about.
on the 4th of july , i put up a simple post telling people to go burn some powder and enjoy their 4th.
it got several side ways slams by a couple of people.
wilbur removed the offending posts....
but people kept it up, and finally he removed my post but left the thread.

it is still there..ever seen a thread with no opening post ??

negative sideways comments stirring up crapola

children at play, wasting our time

JerrySharrett
07-09-2015, 06:46 AM
One comment to al then I'm out. As to me putting him on my Ignore list many times is grossly wrong. I only put him on one time and he is still on it. I had to click the "read post" to get into this rant. I should have stayed out..

..

Hippy
07-09-2015, 02:09 PM
I have the utmost respect for the Gunsmiths that frequent this board-knowing very little about the Art itself BUT the passion that each and every one puts into their work.

We are not suppose to talk Politics or Religion on these public board but to quote a radio commentator we have become " The United States of the Offended" Sooner or later someone someplace is gonna B offended by something U say or do.

If you do not like Joe Blows post or find it offensive DON'T read it

Nuff Said

Jim

Dick Grosbier
07-09-2015, 04:14 PM
Wilbur provides this forum for the discussion of Benchrest related topics.
Freedom of speech is guaranteed in public places, this forum is almost public, but Wilbur pays his own money to provide it to us. He allows a lot of latitude for discussion but does have some very basic limitations. I think everybody knows his stated limits. It is really that simple, if you do not want to play by the rules go play somewhere else. It is definitely a free country in that respect. It is as simple as that to me.

Wilbur
07-09-2015, 05:13 PM
I started writing and it ended up being way too long. Didn't make much sense either and when I thought about how long it would be to make sense...I just deleted it and wrote this:

This ain't as easy as folks believe!

B.Larson
07-09-2015, 07:14 PM
Well, Jerry, we have freedom of speech and, I think, freedom of silence. While I use my freedom of speech rights often, I enjoy my freedom of silence more at times. Ignore list.
While they use their freedom of speech often, they chide us for using ours. Al, some years back, derided Rabbi Rob, Reuven Mermelstein, for a post and finished by saying a derogatory thing about him and Jews in general. Rabbi Rob, who at that time was a writer for Reloading Magazine, chose to just walk away and hasn't been back. I guess Al showed him. The Mouths That Roar have driven quite few knowledgeable people away.

Could not agree more.....discussions and opinions can be stated without name calling......from the mouths that roar...... I`ve saved some just as a reminder how not to talk to people......
bill larson

mike in co
07-09-2015, 11:35 PM
from al's post:
"But this has been ruled as "BAD" and "divisive" and "hate-speak" in today's PC-controlled world. Sadly, the day of my forebears, the world I grew up in is disappearing......the way of the world today is NOT to MAKE PEOPLE THINK, but to tell people what to think.

You've got plenty of people here who'll tell you what to think.....and how to think....and how to play...and how to load/prep/fireform/shoot/build/compete/etc ad infinitum. Shoot, you've got people here who register under several names to better serve you!"

what is amazing to me is that there are people posting on this thread who's actions are 180 degrees from what they have posted.

it is no wonder any true open thinker does not stay long.

sdean
07-10-2015, 12:26 AM
I guess you are not a true open thinker then. Sure can't run you off.

Al Nyhus
07-10-2015, 10:11 AM
alinwa: Glad to hear you're doing well. I'm not here much either.....

Good shootin'. -Al (notinwa);)

Bill Wynne
07-10-2015, 12:13 PM
This ain't as easy as folks believe!

Wilbur, You have a gift of condensing thought.

Al, I hope that I have never offended you. I enjoy your unique way of posting very much.

If we could get all of us together some place, I am sure that we could get along. Well, most of us. :)

Concho Bill

Wilbur
07-10-2015, 01:08 PM
I'll ask this question while it's still pertinent....I know it will cause trouble of some sort but maybe the problem is within. Think about the question a bit before answering and try not to assume the thoughts of others.

Why have some of the competitive benchrest shooters quit posting?

afrench
07-10-2015, 01:18 PM
I'll ask this question while it's still pertinent....I know it will cause trouble of some sort but maybe the problem is within. Think about the question a bit before answering and try not to assume the thoughts of others.

Why have some of the competitive benchrest shooters quit posting?

probably because they're tired of being told "you're wrong" by not competitive people.

Wilbur
07-10-2015, 01:38 PM
Bill - I mis-read your post...I read "condensing" as condescending. Could this have been a Freudian slip!?!?:rolleyes:

sdean
07-10-2015, 01:52 PM
Wilbur I would think a lot off people read this site but don't post because they don't care to defend how they do things. I find this place invaluable to a person learning. Not so much for someone already figured out how to win. It is the nature of the country now to argue about everything.

mike in co
07-10-2015, 03:13 PM
IMHO,
there are rude disrespectful people that disrupt 'DISCUSSIONS".
some people get tired of their behavior and just go away.

some people cannot ACCEPT an opinion that is different than their opinion, and while they have no facts
to dispute the original opinion, they just spout off, misdirecting, changing the subject.....because they are rude,
and apparently because they are 'SHORT RANGE COMPETITIVE SHOOTERS" , their behavior is considered acceptable.
any non conforming behavior/opinion from a "NON-SHORT RANGE COMPETITIVE SHOOTER" is not acceptable.



I'll ask this question while it's still pertinent....I know it will cause trouble of some sort but maybe the problem is within. Think about the question a bit before answering and try not to assume the thoughts of others.

Why have some of the competitive benchrest shooters quit posting?

sdean
07-10-2015, 04:24 PM
I think that goes both ways. A short rang guy doesn't want to hear a long range guy telling them they are leaving something on the table if they don't use a $600 scale or anneal brass every firing or other such things. After something is discussed a time or two it turns into an argument where whoever gets the last post in wins. It can turn childish quickly. There are so many ways to skin this Benchrest cat it's amazing. I bet every winner did some things differently than the next winner.

mike in co
07-10-2015, 04:33 PM
a perfect example of no data, just an opinion


I think that goes both ways. A short rang guy doesn't want to hear a long range guy telling them they are leaving something on the table if they don't use a $600 scale or anneal brass every firing or other such things. After something is discussed a time or two it turns into an argument where whoever gets the last post in wins. It can turn childish quickly. There are so many ways to skin this Benchrest cat it's amazing. I bet every winner did some things differently than the next winner.

sdean
07-10-2015, 04:48 PM
It was meant to be an opinion. As far as I know they are allowed on this site. A person can come up with data to support almost anything these days. The way I read post 29 Wilbur was looking for thoughts or opinions.
You have a good day, That's all from me.

Bill Wynne
07-10-2015, 05:03 PM
Bill - I mis-read your post...I read "condensing" as condescending. Could this have been a Freudian slip!?!?:rolleyes:

Wilbur, It was meant to be a complement. You don't see the need to express a thought in three words when two will do.

Bill

tcjones
07-10-2015, 10:41 PM
You guys remind me of a quote, I don't know from where.
"All injuries to pride are self inflicted"

Take care, Tom J.

vicvanb
07-18-2015, 02:57 PM
You've got plenty of people here who'll tell you what to think.....and how to think....

It's dead easy to find people who'll tell you what to think.......


Nowhere more true than here when political threads mostly comprised the General Discussion forum.

And guess who led the charge?

steve stanley
07-19-2015, 01:50 PM
I think the internet and posts on forums such as this are really hard to judge as to the nature of the content and the character of the poster. I have had the chance to met a lot of the guys on here at matches around the country, and some that came across as a-holes on the forum were really good guys in person and we have become good friends. I try to remember that in not judging a book by it's cover, because if you do, you are wrong most of the time. I try to answer requests for info with my personal experience and I don't claim that is the only way to do it, but it does get old when people ask for help and then want to argue with your advice without giving it a try. I usually will just leave the post rather than beat my head against the wall, I have to do that at my job too much for it too be fun on my time. :) I try to listen to all the ideas from different people because you never know when they might have a good idea, but take it with a grain of salt and try the ones that make sense. This is my take on it and it's worth exactly what you paid for it, Nothing! have a good day :)

JerrySharrett
07-19-2015, 04:26 PM
I'll ask this question while it's still pertinent....I know it will cause trouble of some sort but maybe the problem is within. Think about the question a bit before answering and try not to assume the thoughts of others.

Why have some of the competitive benchrest shooters quit posting?

Why? IMO, many registered posters don't use their real name..they say someone will get their address...hellsbells, that can be gotten off their mailbox in many cases.

I'm reluctant to reply to someone I don't see their name on match reports, unless they are new posters.
(remember the poster"Sits In Trees"? I missed seeing him at this years Shamrock or Super Shoot.)

Old CB radio, "10-4 good buddy" syndrome??

Dusty Stevens
07-19-2015, 05:47 PM
Main reason is they get sick of hearing how stupid their methods that win are. Every question they answer with experience is questioned by someone like "sits in trees"

Hunter
07-19-2015, 06:48 PM
I suspect many of those guys are too busy shooting and tinkering with their guns and equipment to fool with a venue where they're unlikely to learn anything themselves. Thankfully, guys like Bart and Todd Tyler occasionally weigh in with good stuff.

Wilbur
07-19-2015, 09:08 PM
OK, I think y'all are wrong about that real name thing but I'm going to set up a forum where folks either use their real name or say up front who they are. How would y'all suggest I verify the name they are using?

I don't see any real reason in having a discussion about this stuff amongst ourselves....perhaps y'all know something I don't. What will I name the forum?

I'll look around to see what others are doing and mull over suggestions by email:

oldhat30@gmail.com

Tell me how you feel/think it's going to be better when you offer a suggestion please.

goodgrouper
07-20-2015, 02:18 AM
Main reason is they get sick of hearing how stupid their methods that win are. Every question they answer with experience is questioned by someone like "sits in trees"


Ding ding ding....we have a winner!

I used to look at this forum once or twice a day. Now I look at it once a month. I see it coming to once a year very soon.
As with many, many things in life, a few have ruined it for the majority.
I Don't need it. Life's too short to deal with all the armchair theorists who have nothing but time and post counts going for them. Hell, at one point not too long ago, I saw that a certain person (who shall remain anonymous) who has attended one match in his life, and came in almost dead last at that match, had contributed some kind of garbage to four or five sub-section's "last posts", and had subscribed to three or four more other threads within those subsections! Suddenly he felt his meager accomplishment warranted him the right to answer every question asked on this board, and argue facts with actual, proven winners!? Even if he was giving away pearls, his constant posting inflates the value of those pearls in no time flat. And I highly doubt many folks here consider his contributions as pearls! Either way, when there is that much refuse being smeared around, who wants to throw real pearls into it? I can't think of anything that will run off knowledgeable and worthy contributors faster than that. And when they're gone, the idiots will rush to fill that vacuum. That's where this board currently sits in my opinion, and I'm in no hurry to get on here and ruin my day anymore. I'd rather go to the range and shoot and talk with real shooters.;)
Sorry Wilbur. But I hope you realize my honesty comes as respect for you and what you're trying to figure out. I could have sat here and blown smoke up your nose, but that is beneath you and I, and will help nothing.

sdean
07-20-2015, 02:54 AM
Wilbur I see the name thing as a nonstarter. It is easy to figure out who the ones worth listening to are. I just see a lack of new topics for shooters that know how to win. Not that much new. Even March scopes are old news. Winners have most things figured out. New shooters ask an intelligent question will get plenty help on here.
If you want a suggestion here's one. What's your thought on a seller feedback in your classifieds. I really don't use it because of that.
I still say Thanks to you and the ones that share. This is a wonderful site.

M Casselton
07-20-2015, 07:21 AM
Like most posts on BR Central, this post has gone off topic. Then again, that's how it's always been. I started hanging out here back around 1996 or so.
I've watched my share of good and bad people come and go. Thankfully some didn't hang around very long. Some left and came back, left, then came back again. Some left us way too early and took their insight, wisdom, tact and good nature home. Some have been plainly driven away because of others hard headedness. Not necessarily because they were right or wrong, simply because they were different in their thinking.

I don't post very much because there is almost always someone on here that has a knowledge base much better than mine. Their time behind the trigger is more and usually their answer is just more eloquent. ..

Wilbur, what I would like to see is simply this. Since we have to register to use the site, a few simple rules must be acknowledged (twice, like I did with my kids) . Primarily the name calling, trolling giving bad advice without full knowledge and a few other basic rules of good behavior. If they don't follow this then they get banned for 30-90 days. After that, it's for good. We don't need children here, we need adults who like to talk BR and exchange ideas and call each other old farts

Gene Beggs
07-20-2015, 08:32 AM
Aw 'ell guys just remember, "Don't let the bastards grind you down!"

Wilbur does an incredible job of administering this wonderful site and there is a vast pool of experience and knowledge available here on BR Central. Yes, we will always have those that are more interested in stroking their egos than sharing factual information but that's the case in every walk of life. :rolleyes: Don't worry 'bout it! :mad:

If someone hurls an undeserved verbal spear at you, just ignore them. :cool: I know it's hard to do but that's the best way to handle a bully. Don't misunderstand; I'm not saying we shouldn't challenge someone that has posted something that is definitely wrong or might mislead a new shooter or get someone hurt but if it's obviously just an attempt to toot one's own horn or insult someone else, just ignore it. We humans have a natural tendency to give too much attention to the egotists of the world instead of concentrating on the wise, hard working people who hold it all together and make it happen.

Have a good one today!:D

Gene Beggs

bill larson
07-20-2015, 10:00 AM
aw 'ell guys just remember, "don't let the bastards grind you down!"

wilbur does an incredible job of administering this wonderful site and there is a vast pool of experience and knowledge available here on br central. Yes, we will always have those that are more interested in stroking their egos than sharing factual information but that's the case in every walk of life. :rolleyes: Don't worry 'bout it! :mad:

If someone hurls an undeserved verbal spear at you, just ignore them. :cool: I know it's hard to do but that's the best way to handle a bully. Don't misunderstand; i'm not saying we shouldn't challenge someone that has posted something that is definitely wrong or might mislead a new shooter or get someone hurt but if it's obviously just an attempt to toot one's own horn or insult someone else, just ignore it. We humans have a natural tendency to give too much attention to the egotists of the world instead of concentrating on the wise, hard working people who hold it all together and make it happen.

Have a good one today!:d

gene beggs

aman............ Could`nt agree more.......

Carp
07-20-2015, 12:24 PM
I'll ask this question while it's still pertinent....I know it will cause trouble of some sort but maybe the problem is within. Think about the question a bit before answering and try not to assume the thoughts of others.

Why have some of the competitive benchrest shooters quit posting?

I think a lot of folks quit posting because they could better understand each other by directly discussing it at a match. They got a better perspective of another's opinion by talking face-to-face and hearing their thoughts from their mouth. So much more can be communicated by tone of voice, body language, facial expression and so forth than emoticons and LOL's. Alinwa is right......misunderstanding is a huge problem with communicating on a forum.
Wilbur, I cannot say enough words to explain how I feel you have been as level-headed and fair as you have been over the years I've been reading and posting on this site. I don't think that very many of us could have been as successful at it as you. Agree, disagree or agree to disagree is one issue that seems to be the downfall of the communication of these forums. I am as guilty as the next for not being understanding and forgiving in some situations. Sometimes in life it is best to know what not to say as to know what could be said. The passion of some of these folks is exactly what drives them to fail....me included. But that very passion is what drives the competitiveness at the matches we so dearly love. At the end of the day, in most cases, the most passionate competitor wins out over a field of fellow shooters that just didn't have enough heart and soul in their game to surpass them.
Wilbur, you once told me that one of the greatest posts ever was "The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt. Maybe this is one of the problems from within....

John M. Carper

Chism G
07-20-2015, 01:49 PM
I think Some folks quit posting because,

Unfortunately,There is a price to pay for hanging out on an internet Forum that has been set up as a market place of ideas related to your favorite hobby.

Rude,Hateful,prejudiced,ignorant,erroneous remarks are the music of a Free Society. If you are offended by this music, its your fault.

There is a song that goes....."Let them Talk, Talk don't bother me".

If all the comments in our conversations were fair,true and polite,it would be time to run for the fence.

The people that donít hang out here anymore, are simply not willing to risk paying the price.

Just my thoughts

Bill Gammon
07-20-2015, 02:14 PM
I was not going to get into this, but what the h___ll. Me thinks some of you people are wrong. #1 I would be strongly in favor of using your own name, I have since day 1, I am me! if you don't like me! tough, you can't keep everyone happy, and only an idiot tries, and Wilbur is far from an idiot. #2 Every morning I go on another website where I am not suppose to be and I look at some of the posts there, and after I stop laughing I go to BC. Nothing that is said here can match what I read, so when one person says something, I just laugh it off and go to the next post. Oh Well! such is life, just think some day I will be as old as Francis, (snigger) :-) EH!!!!!!!!!!!!

JerrySharrett
07-21-2015, 06:23 AM
I was not going to get into this, but what the h___ll. Me thinks some of you people are wrong. #1 I would be strongly in favor of using your own name, I have since day 1, I am me! if you don't like me! tough, you can't keep everyone happy, and only an idiot tries, and Wilbur is far from an idiot. #2 Every morning I go on another website where I am not suppose to be and I look at some of the posts there, and after I stop laughing I go to BC. Nothing that is said here can match what I read, so when one person says something, I just laugh it off and go to the next post. Oh Well! such is life, just think some day I will be as old as Francis, (snigger) :-) EH!!!!!!!!!!!!


See, CCBW, another seasoned genius like meself that thinks it should be mandatory to use your real name. I agree with Gammon, if I were as old as Francis, I might try to cover up my face, but not my name,,,,right Jan??

MAKE FOLKS USE THEIR REAL NAMES that will sort out the "Sits in Trees" from real folks who carry this nation forward on their backs with their PPC's and hummer barrels!!!

BTW, Gamm, why weren't you at Weikert?


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M Casselton
07-21-2015, 07:49 AM
When I logged on one day a few years ago I couldn't get into the system. Wilbur sent me the link to reset everything more than once. It just quit working. Tried to create a new account with my name and I couldn't, so, now I just use my first initial. Close enough, I suppose.
At least I don't have to put Francis in my tag line. .. ;^)

JerrySharrett
07-21-2015, 01:41 PM
When I logged on one day a few years ago I couldn't get into the system. Wilbur sent me the link to reset everything more than once. It just quit working. Tried to create a new account with my name and I couldn't, so, now I just use my first initial. Close enough, I suppose.
At least I don't have to put Francis in my tag line. .. ;^)

That's why I use my name without spaces between the first and last name. When Wilbur had that crash several years ago, about 2003 IIRC, I couldn't log back in or set up an account.

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bill larson
07-21-2015, 01:51 PM
see, ccbw, another seasoned genius like meself that thinks it should be mandatory to use your real name. I agree with gammon, if i were as old as francis, i might try to cover up my face, but not my name,,,,right jan??

Make folks use their real names that will sort out the "sits in trees" from real folks who carry this nation forward on their backs with their ppc's and hummer barrels!!!

Btw, gamm, why weren't you at weikert?


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+3.... Using your own name would stop a lot of poor comments that are made...

sdean
07-21-2015, 03:02 PM
Hey Jerry I figured that was to confuse the NSA.

M Casselton
07-21-2015, 05:42 PM
He has a tinfoil hat to keep them out of his thoughts. Prolly keeps us safe from some unknown force or three also.
Personally, I just use a replica Minnie Pearl straw hat to keep safe

JerrySharrett
07-21-2015, 09:26 PM
He has a tinfoil hat to keep them out of his thoughts. Prolly keeps us safe from some unknown force or three also.
Personally, I just use a replica Minnie Pearl straw hat to keep safe

And so goes the illiterate comments!!

M Casselton
07-21-2015, 10:22 PM
Was just playing around a bit. If I stepped on your toes, I apologize.
I think this is exactly why some people get offended and leave the board or argue with one another over what amounts to nothing.

My comment to Jerry, even though I have never met him was clearly written in fun. I then poked fun at myself and used a winky face to emohasize my point. The follow up post from him resorted to calling me illiterate, even though we have never met. I'm very sure I don't fall into that category, so no big deal. He doesn't know me. He might be having a bad day.
There could be any number of reasons he made the comment he made, so I'm not going to get all pissy about it. The fact of the matter is, I made a smart-assed comment to someone I haven't met. I don't know him or his character. I don't know what's going on in his life, just what happens in mine.
My life is great. I have thick skin and a pretty decent sense of humor, so I'll just chalk this up to another learning experience.

Jerry,
if my comments bothered you, upset you, or were just plain old out of line in any way, please accept my apology. We haven't met, and I had no right to make smart-assed comments to you.

Now, since I'm up here in Port Huron MI, until Sunday, should I go and pick on Francis for a while?

Dusty Stevens
07-21-2015, 11:06 PM
Anytime you can go pick on francis is a good time for us

JerrySharrett
07-22-2015, 06:23 AM
Was just playing around a bit. If I stepped on your toes, I apologize.
I think this is exactly why some people get offended and leave the board or argue with one another over what amounts to nothing.

My comment to Jerry, even though I have never met him was clearly written in fun. I then poked fun at myself and used a winky face to emohasize my point. The follow up post from him resorted to calling me illiterate, even though we have never met. I'm very sure I don't fall into that category, so no big deal. He doesn't know me. He might be having a bad day.
There could be any number of reasons he made the comment he made, so I'm not going to get all pissy about it. The fact of the matter is, I made a smart-assed comment to someone I haven't met. I don't know him or his character. I don't know what's going on in his life, just what happens in mine.
My life is great. I have thick skin and a pretty decent sense of humor, so I'll just chalk this up to another learning experience.

Jerry,
if my comments bothered you, upset you, or were just plain old out of line in any way, please accept my apology. We haven't met, and I had no right to make smart-assed comments to you.

Now, since I'm up here in Port Huron MI, until Sunday, should I go and pick on Francis for a while?



Fair enough, apology accepted. This little foray is an example of what happens sometimes that run off shooters, real shooters, who are learning or better yet sharing info that is the goal of both this forum, the IBS,NBRSA, ARA, IR 50/50, PSL, etc which is to improve rifle accuracy.

If you do get a chance while in Port Huron, visit Francis and Jan. They are great folks who I have met often and shot with.

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Pete Wass
07-22-2015, 11:17 AM
[QUOTE=M Casselton;761009]Was just playing around a bit. If I stepped on your toes, I apologize.
I think this is exactly why some people get offended and leave the board or argue with one another over what amounts to nothing.

My comment to Jerry, even though I have never met him was clearly written in fun. I then poked fun at myself and used a winky face to emohasize my point. The follow up post from him resorted to calling me illiterate, even though we have never met. I'm very sure I don't fall into that category, so no big deal. He doesn't know me. He might be having a bad day.
There could be any number of reasons he made the comment he made, so I'm not going to get all pissy about it. The fact of the matter is, I made a smart-assed comment to someone I haven't met. I don't know him or his character. I don't know what's going on in his life, just what happens in mine.
My life is great. I have thick skin and a pretty decent sense of humor, so I'll just chalk this up to another learning experience.

Jerry,
if my comments bothered you, upset you, or were just plain old out of line in any way, please accept my apology. We haven't met, and I had no right to make smart-assed comments to you.

Now, since I'm up here in Port Huron MI, until Sunday, should I go and pick on Francis for a while?[/QUOTE

many of us have tried futilely to be "funny" on here. It seems to never work. One can not actually add the factual inflections with the Smiley Faces I don't think.

I don't understand why people don't like to argue. I grew up on it and embrace it whenever I can. Of course, I accepted long ago that I am not always right. That helps a lot.

Pete