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Pete Wass
03-23-2015, 01:44 PM
I am going to make an attempt at posting some pictures of a bench that is typical to what I believe to be the best design for Benchrest Shooting.

Pete

DeltaBravo
03-23-2015, 04:37 PM
Pete,

Good looking benches! I'm curious why you think the triangle shape is better than a T shape? I haven't shot on anything but a T so have nothing to compare it to. I'm also curious about the effect of portability on stability; or, does that concrete top control all that?

Thanks.

Dennis

Lee Martin
03-23-2015, 04:50 PM
Perfect timing Pete. My dad and I are redoing ours and will be forming the concrete top. Still undecided on the shape by I'm leaning towards the traditional T. I am curious to know how you like the triangular version however.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

adamsgt
03-23-2015, 05:01 PM
Just came back from the Cactus where they had the triangular design. Made me prefer the T design. We have the T design at one of the local ranges but it is smaller than the ones at the Whittington Center. I think those are the best for design and room.

David Halblom
03-23-2015, 05:05 PM
Perfect timing Pete. My dad and I are redoing ours and will be forming the concrete top. Still undecided on the shape by I'm leaning towards the traditional T. I am curious to know how you like the triangular version however.

-Lee
www.singleactions.comtheir curved brethren give more room on the left( rh shooters) and right ( opposite ) side of the gun. Tees can be a bit short on space.

I would make one change to the design depicted. Make them so a "trailer dolly" picks up the back end rather than a trailer jack. Those damn jacks are getting expensive. And a dolly is about the same price, one time.

b albee
03-23-2015, 05:53 PM
Here is a picture of my bench that we built. For me I can get as close to the gun as I need to and not touch the triangle area of the bench. Best of all the bag doesn't have to set right on the corner.

Brian

Boyd Allen
03-23-2015, 06:17 PM
There are a couple of considerations besides the shape of the top that are worth mentioning. First of all, a lot of shooters like to put a leg behind the benches rear leg or back of the base. Moving that leg forward allows them to not have to move back on the tail of the bench to do this. B albee's bench has this feature, which may actually be more important to overall comfort than the shape of the top. Another thing to look at is how much space there is on the side that the shooter is on, with rest and rifle in place. I have never made it to the Super Shoot, but as I understand the situation the bench shape and target alignment as such that in th e past, some shooters have needed to drill one rest leg for an inboard leveling point. I have seen more than one shooter at bench picture that demonstrated this issue, which has become more important with the advent of loading ports opposite bolts. Saving it for last, the most important part of a bench designed for competition is that it not show movement on the target, as viewed through a high magnification scope, when a shooter leans on the bench. It can look as pretty as you like, and be as comfortable as can be, but if it moves when you lean on it, it has a flaw that is significant.

Pete Wass
03-23-2015, 06:33 PM
Perfect timing Pete. My dad and I are redoing ours and will be forming the concrete top. Still undecided on the shape by I'm leaning towards the traditional T. I am curious to know how you like the triangular version however.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

I find with T benches I have to hang over the rifle to sight it and this tends to make me drag the rear bag toward me. I am a rotund person so being able to sit at the angle of the rear portion of the benches I put up allows me avoid a 45* corner poking in to my belly. I also like to sit behind my rifle with my right leg under the rear of the bench, which many benches do not permit. Benches that have their rear leg at the extreme rear of the bench top prevent this.

Some time ago, someone on here put up a picture of a design he had made which had an area behind the tail of the bench for an elbow pad. That might be a good feature.

Pete

Pete Wass
03-23-2015, 06:34 PM
Here is a picture of my bench that we built. For me I can get as close to the gun as I need to and not touch the triangle area of the bench. Best of all the bag doesn't have to set right on the corner.

Brian

I would like to try it although the rear corner could be bothersome. perhaps cutting it to a 45 would fix it.

Pete

Lee Martin
03-23-2015, 06:44 PM
I should've been more clear. We aren't leaning towards a pure T shape. Instead, we'll have a 45 degree cut connecting the front to the rear portion. The top Tony Boyer has at his personal range is what I'm considering (pictured on page 219 of his book).

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

skeetlee
03-23-2015, 07:16 PM
The wedge shaped benches like pete's and the benches in st Louis, simple don't allow enough room on the shooter side of the rifle. In st Louis my shell box has hit the concrete at least twice. way to crowding. Kelblys are even worse.
we are fixing to start building the new machine shop and shoot room, so I have to rebuild the benches inside my room that I built a couple years back. I made a rounded T shape type bench and I really like it. I will change the dimensions a little but nothing major. I may also form the top with 2x6 instead of 2x4 this time. reason being, I may bend or weld some steel in an L shape to reinforce the top, and completely do away with the rear leg?? I used a 6" sonatube for the rear leg the first go around, and I truly have no complaints. Plenty or room for your legs no matter how you sit. Ill post a pic. Lee


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/leebosilvey/benchtopsdone003.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/leebosilvey/media/benchtopsdone003.jpg.html)


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/leebosilvey/benchbuild9211006.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/leebosilvey/media/benchbuild9211006.jpg.html)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/leebosilvey/benchpour006.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/leebosilvey/media/benchpour006.jpg.html)

I made my benches for a right handed shooter, and ill do the same when I have to rebuild them here in a couple months. I had a little more freedom because of the bench being right handed only, and I was able to off set the rear leg a bit.
If I build the next benches without a rear leg, I will have to move the front block back towards the shooter a few inches. I really don't think that will be an issue though. with a thick enough top and the proper steel rebar frame work, I really don't see a need for the rear leg.
This time around I am also going to build a bench outside the shoot room. That bench will be right/left handed capable, and I will support the table with a rear leg. I will use the sonatube again for sure. Lee

Dusty Stevens
03-23-2015, 11:13 PM
Most dont like stuff being under them especially with a wide base stool

Gene Beggs
03-23-2015, 11:40 PM
Lee, I hope you will reconsider about eliminating the rear leg on your next bench. I do not think you would be happy without the added stability of that rear leg.

Gene Beggs

oldpup223
03-24-2015, 09:42 AM
Here is the ones I like

Lee Martin
03-24-2015, 10:43 AM
A fine article on the subject....and it happens to come from this very site:

http://benchrest.com/articles/benches.pdf

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Pete Wass
03-24-2015, 10:54 AM
The wedge shaped benches like pete's and the benches in st Louis, simple don't allow enough room on the shooter side of the rifle. In st Louis my shell box has hit the concrete at least twice. way to crowding. Kelblys are even worse.
we are fixing to start building the new machine shop and shoot room, so I have to rebuild the benches inside my room that I built a couple years back. I made a rounded T shape type bench and I really like it. I will change the dimensions a little but nothing major. I may also form the top with 2x6 instead of 2x4 this time. reason being, I may bend or weld some steel in an L shape to reinforce the top, and completely do away with the rear leg?? I used a 6" sonatube for the rear leg the first go around, and I truly have no complaints. Plenty or room for your legs no matter how you sit. Ill post a pic. Lee


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/leebosilvey/benchtopsdone003.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/leebosilvey/media/benchtopsdone003.jpg.html)


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/leebosilvey/benchbuild9211006.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/leebosilvey/media/benchbuild9211006.jpg.html)

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/leebosilvey/benchpour006.jpg (http://s268.photobucket.com/user/leebosilvey/media/benchpour006.jpg.html)

I made my benches for a right handed shooter, and ill do the same when I have to rebuild them here in a couple months. I had a little more freedom because of the bench being right handed only, and I was able to off set the rear leg a bit.
If I build the next benches without a rear leg, I will have to move the front block back towards the shooter a few inches. I really don't think that will be an issue though. with a thick enough top and the proper steel rebar frame work, I really don't see a need for the rear leg.
This time around I am also going to build a bench outside the shoot room. That bench will be right/left handed capable, and I will support the table with a rear leg. I will use the sonatube again for sure. Lee

With your design Lee as I do with the others, that 90* corner at the left rear where my big gut goes. I find that to be distracting as I shoot, the way I set my rifles up. I like to sit slightly behind the bench so that I don't have to tilt my head much to shoot. Thank you for posting your pictures. This is the kind of discussion I had hoped might ensue. Thanks Again.

Pete

Fla mac
03-24-2015, 07:02 PM
I like the way Charleston S.C. has their benches, you sit in the middle, good for right or left shooters. They can move them with a pallet jack. If you have 10 shooters you have 10 benches, if you have 20 then you have 20 benches, very good setup.

john
Mims, Fl

Mike Bryant
03-24-2015, 08:12 PM
It all comes down to personal preference. I prefer the T shaped benches as I'm right handed and shoot right eject benchrest rifles except for one that is a left eject. On the triangle benches such as what Ben Avery has in Phoenix, the left hand eject doesn't work well as there's not enough room to catch the brass when they eject and you wind up having too many cases wind up on the floor. As they say, if the brass isn't flying you're dying. The U shaped benches don't work well with right eject rifles with a right handed shooter as there is no room on the right side of the bench to catch the brass. Of course, a benchrest rifle doesn't eject anything like the AR in the post above. They solved that with a web brass catcher. An AR would have to have something no matter what shape the bench was. Below is a photo of the bench I have on my range at home. Joe Archer built a mold for it out of plate steel with welded edges at a slight angle to pull the top out of the mold after we poured it. The original idea was to build a range with 20 benches to hold matches. He moved and it wasn't feasible to build the range. Plus the fact that my berm would have to be about 20' tall to not be able to see trucks passing by on the back side of the berm.

The bench is 47 1/2" x 47 1/2" square with the T cutout on both sides. The front edge of the T starts 24" back from the front edge of the bench and tapers in 11" on the perpendicular. The rear edge of the cutout is 18" in from the rear of the bench. The T part of the bench is 27 1/2" in width. It made a good comfortable bench with plenty of room on the off side from the shooter for cleaning rods, brass ejection, etc. I used 4 cinder blocks high. I've shot on the benches that are 3 1/2 cinder blocks high and I have trouble getting my stool low enough to be comfortable.

16018

Ian_Owen
03-25-2015, 04:47 AM
A fine article on the subject....and it happens to come from this very site:

http://benchrest.com/articles/benches.pdf

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

The bench pictured on page 8 looks ideal to me, maybe just move the back leg forward a bit..........Ian

mwezell
03-25-2015, 07:34 AM
Pete, while opinions vary on top shapes, I made my bench from what appears to be the same plans used for the ones in your pics. I prefer that shape and design over any other I've tried. It's plenty stable and still movable. Shooting from it vs one on concrete blocks or pillars, I can tell no difference in stability.

Bill Wynne
03-25-2015, 08:20 AM
The bench pictured on page 8 looks ideal to me, maybe just move the back leg forward a bit..........Ian

Ian, The bench you mentioned is the first one that I actually completed. It works very good for me and the shooters at our club. It is still subject to change and improvememt. It is has more braces than necessary but it's shape is workable. I now rase the bottom braces high enough to get a pallet jack under it for easy movement.

I, like most shooters, shoot from the left side. I place my stool so my left foot is in front of the stool and the right foot is behind the back bench leg. The rifle is closer to the left side of the tee than the right.

I suggest that anyone planning to build one bench or a bunch of them first build a cheap mock up out of plywood, lumber, or cardboard to check out the shape. Of course, if you see a bench whose shape and style you like, feel free to copy it or modify and copy.

Concho Bill

Gabe22BR
04-01-2015, 01:22 AM
I will be making one of these tops next pour we have.

glp
04-01-2015, 05:08 PM
as I did in high school. So, I've had very little trouble with bench configurations. :)

The only ones I struggle with are the very narrow benches at Weikert where you really almost need a left front leg hole drilled closer to the center of the bottom plate. Jenny Craig anyone?

Pete Wass
04-02-2015, 08:44 PM
I shared a bench for years with a lad who's torso is considerably longer than mine. That makes a big difference with regard to seat height as well as their having more range to do things on the bench. We squatty guys are hampered somewhat in that regard and why I prefer bellying up to a bench. That position simplifies the entire setup situation for me at least.

Pete

Bill Wynne
04-02-2015, 09:58 PM
I think it may be time to amend and update my benchrest bench article with Wilber's permission. It would be a little less windy and more specific toward concrete topped "T" shaped benches. It would have more deminsions and detailed instructions on how to make it.

What do you think?

Bill Wynne
Concho Bill

Hippy
04-02-2015, 10:31 PM
A fine article on the subject....and it happens to come from this very site:

http://benchrest.com/articles/benches.pdf

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

The "T" shape on page 6 of this is awful close the IDEAL design as you can get as close or as far away as necessary IMHO

Jim

Bill Wynne
04-03-2015, 07:49 AM
The "T" shape on page 6 of this is awful close the IDEAL design as you can get as close or as far away as necessary IMHO

Jim

I agree with you. With this bench shape there is enough room for the rifle and the shooter's arm on the "T" and room for the shooter's stuff in front wheather they shoot left or right.

Concho Bill

Lee Martin
04-03-2015, 11:46 AM
The "T" shape on page 6 of this is awful close the IDEAL design as you can get as close or as far away as necessary IMHO

Jim

That's the one I'm leaning towards for our new bench. I'll test the form before we pour, but I've shot off them in the past and like the shape.

-Lee
www.singleactions.com

Boyd Allen
04-03-2015, 01:08 PM
Whatever you build, I suggest a full mockup in wood first. Your will discover things that are not obvious from simply looking at a picture or plan. This is one piece of advice that it not often followed, and as a result, all over the country, there are benches that, for the same amount of money and effort, could have been quite a bit better.