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tcjones
11-09-2014, 01:10 PM
All the terms and spelling won't be there but you'll get the jest. I bought a new set of dies , tried out the sizer die on some fire formed 6br brass. The first try on bumping the shoulder after measuring , I went to far. Even though I went to far from measuring with the gauge sent with the die I noticed a profound shiny ring below the neck and shoulder junction. After adjustment to get .002 bump I can still see with a 10 power lupe and feel the ring with a finger nail. To me it seem the angle of the die is out of sink or a ridge was left in the die. Any one have this problem or any ideas? Thanks, Tom

afrench
11-09-2014, 01:13 PM
tom, can you post a picture?

tcjones
11-09-2014, 01:20 PM
I could try but don't hold your breath. The shoulder did bump but it seems all the push was on the top part of the shoulder , enough to make a noticeable cut type ring all the way around the brass. I'll see about the picture.

tcjones
11-09-2014, 01:51 PM
I can't seem to get much further than manage attachments , sorry. Hey it worked!

Wilbur
11-09-2014, 02:41 PM
There's some angles that don't match up - I think. You can use the die just don't go with a specific bump but rather one that causes what you want. I had a die that performed in a similar fashion and it caused my necks to break off over time. Charlie Hood made me a "nek-nokker" to get the broken neck out of the die.

BTW - Thanks Charlie!

tcjones
11-09-2014, 03:23 PM
At first I thought being I never tried a shoulder bump for the sake of it, it was me. I'm starting to think not. Here is a lapua from the box, never fired, same setting. This was a lot to ask out of my $100.00 camera.

Boyd Allen
11-09-2014, 04:04 PM
I would get with the die manufacturer on this. I am sure that whoever it is will take care of it for you.

tcjones
11-09-2014, 04:27 PM
That was my thoughts as well. It's not even a disapointment really, just a set back on some time. Even playing with this die I learned something new. I know 99.99% of the companies in this game make good ,replace ,repair or cash back. I don't know what happened on this one but I'll know soon enough. Any one out there , have you seen this before?

Dusty Stevens
11-09-2014, 06:50 PM
Is that a harrels? Ive seen it before. Does it look jagged? I think sometimes they bore too far down with the bushing pocket and the metal is kinda torn there. Whoever made it will fix it just sucks youre so far away.

gundoc
11-09-2014, 07:04 PM
where abouts in S.E.you at?

zippy06
11-09-2014, 09:45 PM
Looks like a neck sizing die set too low. And yes it will break off the necks. Good thing you stopped.
there is a long story connected here.
The other guy keep going down with the die. 4-5 older shooters got asked about this. But, they had all given up on neck sizing dies.
And didn't see where this was leading.
The old says I paid $350 for this die and I am going to make it work..........................One too many broken necks and he was buying a new barrel.
Take that die and smash it. Real good. Don't want to mix up the stuff..........

steve stanley
11-10-2014, 08:23 AM
It looks like a 30BR die was used with a 6 neck bushing, pull the bushing out and see if the die has been opened up for a 30.

Wayne Shaw
11-10-2014, 12:25 PM
Steve, I think you're on the right trail, it may also be a 6BR die made for a .262" neck and the brass is a no-turn, or similar.

tcjones
11-10-2014, 04:16 PM
Thanks for all the input guys, your my only teachers for miles. I gave a call to the die maker this morning with a good talk. As I guessed the die will be sent back for a good look see.
This way may be a short set back on time (and a couple wasted brass) but I'd rather send the thing back with hopes nobody else has to go through this. The fellow I talked with was wanting to see for himself as
well.
Seeings I'm send the die back and forth across the 48s I think I'll send, besides the demo brass a few fire formed and go a bump up for the custom fit.
We'll know soon enough and I'll give an update.
Thank you, Tom J.

tcjones
11-10-2014, 04:16 PM
where abouts in S.E.you at? Sitka

tcjones
11-10-2014, 04:19 PM
Is that a harrels? Ive seen it before. Does it look jagged? I think sometimes they bore too far down with the bushing pocket and the metal is kinda torn there. Whoever made it will fix it just sucks youre so far away. No it's not a Harrells. It's a good brand from what I've read and others have suggested. It'll work out. Thanks,

tcjones
11-10-2014, 04:22 PM
BTW - Thanks Charlie![/QUOTE]
No sir, Thank you. (funny, I have a friend in town named Charlie Wilber).

abintx
11-10-2014, 04:51 PM
All the terms and spelling won't be there but you'll get the jest. I bought a new set of dies , tried out the sizer die on some fire formed 6br brass. The first try on bumping the shoulder after measuring , I went to far. Even though I went to far from measuring with the gauge sent with the die I noticed a profound shiny ring below the neck and shoulder junction. After adjustment to get .002 bump I can still see with a 10 power lupe and feel the ring with a finger nail. To me it seem the angle of the die is out of sink or a ridge was left in the die. Any one have this problem or any ideas? Thanks, Tom

Before using new dies I always clean them thoroughly, inside and out, removing any debris let from the shelf-preserving and manufacturing processes. After that, if I encounter any marks on brass I use 0000 steel wool, JB paste, or extremely fine sand paper for removing fine internal burrs. Following that with a phone call to the manufacturer for replacement if the above doesn't solve the problem. :)

tcjones
11-10-2014, 06:29 PM
I would think the cleaning would be as far as I would pay for. In this case some bore paste or steel wool probably won't get me the guess of .010 that needs for the die to be drilled deeper.
let alone the angle? I'm going to let the die maker
at the company have a good look and let me know the next move.
This is kind of like the old Johnny Carson playing stump the band.
,Tom

Wilbur
11-11-2014, 12:09 AM
I found it! Nobody cares but I found it nonetheless!

This may be the only one....

The outside diameter is EXACTLY the bushing diameter and the rod is a slip fit .250 inches. Works like a charm getting a neck out of the die quickly. When you have necks breaking off like I did you NEED ONE OF THESE BADLY.

Sooooo you might think....why? Well I don't remember why, but it's a really nice thing to have....

Go make yourself one or two!

zippy06
11-11-2014, 05:22 PM
the guy with the broke neck. I got it out with his cleaning brush.
He still had 2 min.(20 rounds 30 min. Varmint shoot.) he didn't finish. Complained about lack of time.
but, I saved his barrel.
The next time he broke a neck. He bought a new barrel. maybe 200 rounds. And a nice shooting barrel.....
gunsmith told him it was a neck die.... The guy who sold it lied to him......

Doug Casner
11-12-2014, 01:09 PM
At Lake City just about every shoulder die we changed would scratch after a while, they were vertical scratches though. You could probably lap that scratch out if you had access to a lapping head and some emery. It would probably be easier to send it back though. Let them lap it out.

Wilbur
11-12-2014, 03:14 PM
I don't see a problem with scratches on the brass. If there is a problem, tell me what it is.....please.

Dick Grosbier
11-12-2014, 04:47 PM
I don't see a problem with scratches on the brass. If there is a problem, tell me what it is.....please.

No real problem of any kind. Purely aesthetics. I have a B3 Harrels I used for several years and I got some dirt in it that put scratches in the case, after letting it irritate me for about a year I broke down and ordered a new one. There was a silver lining as I found out they now make a B35 and I like it much better, it cured most of my bolt click.
Dick

tcjones
11-18-2014, 09:12 PM
Good evening guys. I posted before that I would let you know what came of this extra marks on the brass. I talked to a fellow with the company after sending the die back and sure as rain he was good on all I needed.
Turns out (with my luck) the die had a burr turn down after drilling that got over looked to be honed . The die just needed to be tuned and all is good , stuff happens, that's the way it is. Seeings I was sending things across the
US I sent a couple of fire formed brass with the funked die and asked to have a custom made as well. Thanks Al for the tips, (I goofed a time or two but got the hang of it) all good. And thanks Dusty for the advice on which die to try(good folks to talk to).
You guys have a good evening and like I said before, Don't let cabin fever set in so soon, we got all winter.
Thanks Tom J.

Dusty Stevens
11-18-2014, 10:24 PM
Its nice to deal with shooting companies. Theyre always the best with customer service. I knew whomever you went with would make you happy. It just goes along with all our die makers- theyre great