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Bill B
01-25-2014, 03:54 PM
If you were to set out to build an Un-Calfee rifle, what would it be? That is to say, a rifle built against Calfee's tenants of what it takes to build a winner. Well, I have my version. I posted here a couple weeks ago about testing Stillers 2500X at Gordon Eck's shop and how well it shot, slapped together with a barrel and stock that he had lying around. I put my dibbs in on the rifle and this week I got a call from Gordon asking me if I still wanted to buy it. He bedded the stock to the 2500X and I went to pick it up today. While chatting with Gordon and his brother Melvin over a glass of Stagg Jr. bourbon, it hit me that what Gordon created for me was an Un-Calfee rifle. It has the 2500X SAP ignition action (I have to admit it does have 6 ignition as I didn't think to have Gordon change it to 12 ignition - there's time for that), and it has a older Rock Creek 5R barrel with cut rifling (which he had lying around the shop that no one wanted). The stock is a Meredith, not a straight line stock. It has a std Harrell's tuner that has yet to be touched, just slapped on there. I put on my old Sightron 36X scope and went to sight it in during a heavy snow storm @ 11 degrees with the wind howling pretty good. After a couple adjustments, I shot an X, the next shot went in the same hole without any enlargement. It was just too nasty to shoot any more than that. So, we have our own little spearment. Can an Un-Calfee gun, such as this, smithed by a Yankee gunsmith, shoot in a basket? So far the indications are that it just might. Time will tell, but I am proud to be shooting this Un-Calfee and pride of ownership is a good thing. Oh, it is not stenciled with any name. If I believed in such a thing, I think "Up Yours" would be appropriate.

Who else out there is shooting an Un-Calfee? Man I'm hoping this will shoot in a basket. I love spearmentin'.

Oklahoma Jim
01-25-2014, 04:33 PM
I hope to get mine back from TM any day now. It's a 2500X with a Rock Creek, Harrell tuner and a Jewel. We put the barreled action into a stock from another rifle and shot a 2350 on a PSL target. This was done with absolutely no tuning. I'm hoping it shoots better when it's tuned and bedded in it's own stock!

Vibe
01-25-2014, 05:15 PM
You could throw a version of the VibeSlide tuner idea on it - tuned to Tonys PRX length. AS those tuners are based upon a Non-parallel node at the muzzle.

frey
01-26-2014, 09:34 AM
You are on the right track.
I think you'd still need a 12oc and probably a Benchmark to be truly authentic.
I have a 12oc Turbo and a couple of Benchmarks I was thinking of doing the same thing.
I really like the 2500x, but I think the 6oc would diminish the authenticity.
I'm not fully convinced the 12oc Turbo would be completely authentic.
For true authenticity, the best option might be a 40x, Suhl, Anschutz, or even a Hall.
One of the options where there was no input, so there is no promotion.

A good buddy of mine has what I consider a very competitive authentic.
40x, B'mark, raked stock, and even has a Myers chamber(tapered) that's been bored a bit long.

Bill B
01-26-2014, 10:19 AM
You make a good point re: the 12 ignition. My other rifles are Flash Turbos with 12 ignition. I wasn't enough of a "pioneer" to pony up $600 to flip it around. (Didn't some of the original pioneers end up getting scalped?) Did Calfee ever seek a fee to "fix" Benchmark barrels? If so I missed that one. He likes the RC Muller button rifled barrels but he had no use for the RC cut rifled barrels. You are right, a Hall is probably the perfect Un-Calfee action, but the way he's gone after the 2500X is a close second. He at least handled a few Halls before declaring them to be unacceptable. The people that I know and respect that have handled, and now built rifles on, the 2500x like them. But what do we know? The most authentic Un-Calfee would also have a Pappas Noodle er "barrel ornament" on it.

Ted Derivan
01-26-2014, 11:38 AM
Bill,
If you were to name it you could call it Bits & Pieces

Ted

Bill B
01-26-2014, 11:51 AM
Like the Dave Clark 5 song? Yeah, that would work and I suppose is friendlier sounding than "Up Yours". I'm excited to fully explore this new build as time and weather allows. Even tho its a RPRB action, it's easy for this righty to load. Prolly won't shoot in a basket. ;) Good luck with your new Eck rifle this season Ted.

Flat Land
01-26-2014, 11:55 AM
I'm not a big time bench rest shooter, but I guess I have a unique rifle a "Un-Calfee" and didn't know it.
2013 Anschutz, factory barrel, factory trigger, TMBR stock, Pappas noodle and it shoots like this

14480

The first two are 5 shots and the last two are 3 shots

Bill B
01-26-2014, 02:27 PM
I'm not a big time bench rest shooter, but I guess I have a unique rifle a "Un-Calfee" and didn't know it.
2013 Anschutz, factory barrel, factory trigger, TMBR stock, Pappas noodle and it shoots like this

14480

The first two are 5 shots and the last two are 3 shots

Yeah, you got yourself an Un-Calfee. You know it has no chance - won't shoot in a bucket. :rolleyes:

tim
01-26-2014, 02:28 PM
As you know I'm in, got one on the way. Why don't you name it " Bills's gun". I see from the recent ramblings from Blowhard country we have references only to guns names. I always wondered how you got those guns to shoot themselves.

Bill B
01-26-2014, 04:38 PM
Some gun's names get mentioned more than others and some must be Bill's red-headed step children, cause they never get a mention. It don't matter who has "The Duke" why that thing will just win all by itself. He even refers to his customers by his gun's name. "I was taking to Duck Hawk the other day - - -". It's like not only does the gun do all the shootin' by itself, he has conversations with them. Ya know, as strange as that is, it's cheap entertainment for a chilly winter afternoon.

ps Sugar Maple trees have some nice SAP. Maybe I should call it Sugar Maple, or, just Sugar for short.

Flat Land
01-26-2014, 06:11 PM
Yeah, you got yourself an Un-Calfee. You know it has no chance - won't shoot in a bucket. :rolleyes:
Maybe I should call it "Pipe Dream"

Flat Land
01-26-2014, 06:19 PM
Maybe I should call it "Pipe Dream"

Forgot to mention, it not only is a "Un-Calfee", but it is tuned to the "PRX" per "Tony Purdy"!!:rolleyes::cool:

cpeterson
01-26-2014, 09:04 PM
Bill, I'm spermenting with a 52 D, Harrell's tuner ,McMillen stock, an antique Redfield 3200 24x scope (mounted on the barrel) and stock trigger!!! Will this qualify for your new class of guns?
I know I can't compete with your Stagg Jr. but I'll try with some Four Roses limited edition.....

Waiting for the thaw,

Chris P.

Bill B
01-26-2014, 11:22 PM
Bill, I'm spermenting with a 52 D, Harrell's tuner ,McMillen stock, an antique Redfield 3200 24x scope (mounted on the barrel) and stock trigger!!! Will this qualify for your new class of guns?
I know I can't compete with your Stagg Jr. but I'll try with some Four Roses limited edition.....

Waiting for the thaw,

Chris P.

Chris, well the 52D does have 12 ignition, but BC speaks too fondly of the old 52 to be the ultimate Un-Calfee. Sorry. Just be aware that it is crooked due to being heat treated after machining and will need to be blueprinted by him to have any chance. That is a nice old-school rig tho. I especially like the barrel mounted Redfield. Just make sure that you have both rings on opposite sides of the turrets. That'll get you closer. The ultimate Un-Calfee rifle will have to have all those elements (action, barrel, stock, scope mounting, barrel ornaments etc) that BC has decreed to be incapable of being a winner. Eligible actions are the Swindlehurst, Hall, any Stiller, 40x any 12 ignition or SAP action. You get extra pts for the Swindlehurst, Hall and Stiller actions, the ones for which he's been particularly critical. Any non-MI barrel will qualify, but any cut-rifled barrel, and 2 groove BMs, or barrels with an odd number of grooves get extra points. Conventional scope mounting is a must and a barrel ornament is just the icing on the cake.

Pete Wass
01-27-2014, 10:18 AM
Why not find ya a Swindlehearst or a Hall? You can still get new Halls and the Myers is an improved Swindlehearst. You can get them I think. Just suggestin ----

Pete

Don Stith
01-27-2014, 11:07 AM
Why not find ya a Swindlehearst or a Hall? You can still get new Halls and the Myers is an improved Swindlehearst. You can get them I think. Just suggestin ----

Pete

Sorry Pete
The Myers is just a 40X with what Billy Myers called a drop port.

Bill B
01-27-2014, 11:52 AM
Pete, if I was setting out to build an Un-Calfee rifle just for the fun of it, yeah, those would be top choices but that wasn't my original intent. I just really liked this rifle that Gordon put together with stuff he had lying around his shop on a Stiller 2500X he recently purchased for himself to mess around with. It wasn't until later that it occurred to me that it was an Un-Calfee. Due to Calfee's sight unseen unfavorable critique, the 2500X action certainly qualifies as un-Calfee. I just wanted to see if this thing would shoot in a basket. Prolly not.

Pete Wass
01-27-2014, 12:10 PM
Sorry Pete
The Myers is just a 40X with what Billy Myers called a drop port.

I guess Don you must think the Swindlehearst is a better action than a Myers? My point was, one can buy a Myers vs a Swindlehearst and having handled a Swindlehearst once, I would prefer a Myers. I didn't like the look of the firing pin in the Swindlehearst. I do have a new Myers action rifle and I like it a lot.

Pete

Pete Wass
01-27-2014, 12:13 PM
Pete, if I was setting out to build an Un-Calfee rifle just for the fun of it, yeah, those would be top choices but that wasn't my original intent. I just really liked this rifle that Gordon put together with stuff he had lying around his shop on a Stiller 2500X he recently purchased for himself to mess around with. It wasn't until later that it occurred to me that it was an Un-Calfee. Due to Calfee's sight unseen unfavorable critique, the 2500X action certainly qualifies as un-Calfee. I just wanted to see if this thing would shoot in a basket. Prolly not.

I understand Bill, I was just trying to drag the perceived worth of the rifle as low as it could go is all. I think most people would prefer the 2500X to any I mentioned. It's tough to do humor in writing, eh?

Pete

Don Stith
01-27-2014, 01:01 PM
Pete
You missed the whole point. You said a Myers was an improved Swindleherst. It is not based on a Swindleherst. It is based on a 40X. If you want to call it an improved 40X, I might agree with you.
Personally, I wish someone would have marketed the design Billy had intended to produce himself. It was going to have selectable firing pin orientation and could use a Remington or Anschutz trigger. Other than the prototype, the closest I have seen was what he called a 250 Suhl. Don't think there are many of those around either. He made the action body and used a Suhl bolt and Anschutz trigger. He made a separate bolt and feed ramp to get the 6 o'clock option on that one.
see you resurected the Chet Amick thread too. Two great 22 mechanics . I was fortunate to know both well and have rifles built by them. Now if I could just shoot up to their standards

Pete Wass
01-27-2014, 03:36 PM
Pete
You missed the whole point. You said a Myers was an improved Swindleherst. It is not based on a Swindleherst. It is based on a 40X. If you want to call it an improved 40X, I might agree with you.
Personally, I wish someone would have marketed the design Billy had intended to produce himself. It was going to have selectable firing pin orientation and could use a Remington or Anschutz trigger. Other than the prototype, the closest I have seen was what he called a 250 Suhl. Don't think there are many of those around either. He made the action body and used a Suhl bolt and Anschutz trigger. He made a separate bolt and feed ramp to get the 6 o'clock option on that one.
see you resurected the Chet Amick thread too. Two great 22 mechanics . I was fortunate to know both well and have rifles built by them. Now if I could just shoot up to their standards



It was my feeling that the top port made it more like a Swindlehearst. I realize the bolt locks up different. Also the firing pin of the Myers can be either 12 or 6. I would consider that an improvement. I don't place a lot of value to actions. I think, like an old gunsmith once said to me, once the gate is closed, the gate is closed. It's what's out front of the bolt face that matters most. The things I like most about the Myers is being able to drop a round in and close the bolt followed second by it ejecting right and forward. There hasn't been a lot of emphasis placed on ease of shooting with some of the customs, in my opinion. Jerry Stiller seems to have thought about it some.

Pete

Don Stith
01-27-2014, 04:22 PM
If you have enough guns, you don't have to test ammo before purchase. You just buy a case and check to see which rifle likes it. Eventually I'll find one that will shoot anything and automatically compensate for my errors.

MIKECAMERON
01-27-2014, 05:24 PM
I think, like an old gunsmith once said to me, once the gate is closed, the gate is closed. It's what's out front of the bolt face that matters most.

Pete

That may be with centerfire Pete but it couldn't be any more wrong when applied to rimfire, ignition and bolt lockup are critical in making rimfire accuracy.
MC

Pete Wass
01-27-2014, 09:46 PM
That may be with centerfire Pete but it couldn't be any more wrong when applied to rimfire, ignition and bolt lockup are critical in making rimfire accuracy.
MC



I have seen some pretty junky rifles with pretty junky actions shoot pretty darn well. I know they are rare but really, most of the arguments are about quite minor things in reality. Picking up the crumbs is pretty much what the arguments are all about. I have three custom rimfire rifles, all three with different actions. All of them shoot pretty well, in spite of some of the perceived faults of their actions.

I have owned a few GREAT barrels over the years. It is easy to tell one when one has it. While the barrels on the rifles I have are what I would call good, they are not GREAT. I intend to replace them, as my income allows. I believe the theory that barrels are cheaper than ammo so, we'll see.

Pete

Frank Green
01-27-2014, 09:48 PM
I've got one that will be tough to follow.....

1903 Springfield action (made around 1906), being rebuilt as a 1924 International Match Rifle. Barrel length is 28" finish (originals were 30"), gain twist rifling, c.m. barrel steel, BAR front sight base with a Lyman 17a on top, Lyman 48 rear, Timney trigger, 1922 bolt assy., Unertl blocks and a 20x Unertl on the barrel. Until I get a good stock for it for testing I took a Winchester Marksman that was cracked and somebody hacked on the wood to reshape it some why I don't know. Reinletted the stock and pillar bedded the '03 action into it. So far it's been shooting .495-.800's at a 114 yards. Best temp. for the weather has been no warmer than 22 degrees. Barrel doesn't even have 50 rounds thru it!

Also in the works a 52c with a new barrel. Rest of the gun will be stock except for a Kenyon trigger. The new barrel will be s.s. with gain twist rifling and thinking left hand twist with 8 grooves. Just like my Pope barreled 6 1/2 Rigby Ballard which by the way is a awesome shooter as well!

At least the first one goes against the grain!

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

Frank Green
01-27-2014, 09:58 PM
Here is a pic. of the Springfield.....

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/gto66/P1040967_zps6b3122ae.jpg (http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/gto66/media/P1040967_zps6b3122ae.jpg.html)

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

Frank Green
01-27-2014, 10:00 PM
And the Ballard......

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/gto66/P1040913_zpsd5f59358.jpg (http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/gto66/media/P1040913_zpsd5f59358.jpg.html)

Later, Frank

Pete Wass
01-27-2014, 10:02 PM
That may be with centerfire Pete but it couldn't be any more wrong when applied to rimfire, ignition and bolt lockup are critical in making rimfire accuracy.
MC

The best centerfire rifles have all the same detail work done to them as rimfire rifles do. Everything is as critical as with rimfire rifles, be it firing pins, springs bolts chambers, stocks or barrels. Either kind of rifle works the same way. Rifles are , pretty much, about barrels, be they RF or CF. If one does not have the right ammo in a great barrel, they aren't likely to win much. Ergo the thinking that unless one has a great barrel, they are crippled. There is a compelling reason Cooper rifles shoot as well as hey do, be they CF or RF. They have Great Barrels. Their actions and triggers are nothing to write home about.

Pete

tim
01-27-2014, 10:46 PM
The best centerfire rifles have all the same detail work done to them as rimfire rifles do. Everything is as critical as with rimfire rifles, be it firing pins, springs bolts chambers, stocks or barrels. Either kind of rifle works the same way. Rifles are , pretty much, about barrels, be they RF or CF. If one does not have the right ammo in a great barrel, they aren't likely to win much. Ergo the thinking that unless one has a great barrel, they are crippled. There is a compelling reason Cooper rifles shoot as well as hey do, be they CF or RF. They have Great Barrels. Their actions and triggers are nothing to write home about.

Pete

Really Pete? If so kindly tell the class why the absolute best CF smiths refuse to build 22's? Why is that Pete? The one day lapping tutorial, the old sage gunsmith proverbs, I have never in my life seen any single human post so much unfounded BS in my life.

Pete Wass
01-28-2014, 07:32 AM
Really Pete? If so kindly tell the class why the absolute best CF smiths refuse to build 22's? Why is that Pete? The one day lapping tutorial, the old sage gunsmith proverbs, I have never in my life seen any single human post so much unfounded BS in my life.



How many Shooter of the Year titles have you won Tim?

Pete Wass
01-28-2014, 07:38 AM
Really Pete? If so kindly tell the class why the absolute best CF smiths refuse to build 22's? Why is that Pete? The one day lapping tutorial, the old sage gunsmith proverbs, I have never in my life seen any single human post so much unfounded BS in my life.



I have no idea why they don't want to do them but I would guess they have plenty to do otherwise and don't want to buy more tools. Unlike you Tim, I am not a fan of anything nor do I grow to idolize folks. If you want to continue to believe in Black Magic, go ahead but I never could see the sense in being a Fan or idolizing folks.

MIKECAMERON
01-28-2014, 09:57 AM
The best centerfire rifles have all the same detail work done to them as rimfire rifles do. Everything is as critical as with rimfire rifles, be it firing pins, springs bolts chambers, stocks or barrels. Either kind of rifle works the same way. Rifles are , pretty much, about barrels, be they RF or CF. If one does not have the right ammo in a great barrel, they aren't likely to win much. Ergo the thinking that unless one has a great barrel, they are crippled. There is a compelling reason Cooper rifles shoot as well as hey do, be they CF or RF. They have Great Barrels. Their actions and triggers are nothing to write home about.

Pete

Then you just proved your statement is totally wrong about the gate being closed, if they translate then you know ignition is critical and you know the bolt lockup is critical,you can have the best barrel in the world but if your ignition or bedding or bolt lockup is off then the rifle wont shoot, thanks for proving my point Pete.

MC

tim
01-28-2014, 10:06 AM
I have no idea why they don't want to do them but I would guess they have plenty to do otherwise and don't want to buy more tools. Unlike you Tim, I am not a fan of anything nor do I grow to idolize folks. If you want to continue to believe in Black Magic, go ahead but I never could see the sense in being a Fan or idolizing folks.

You're right about one thing, no idea. Many, including myself, try and learn everything from everybody. You ask a lot of questions, have several well above your pay grade, offer solid info which you then usually refute and argue about, from the make believe ammo conspiracy to the lead in the barrel which doesn't appear anywhere other than your barrels......if so, because you simply don't know how to clean one.
My posts areless to argue with you, tantamount to talking to a wall, and more to warn the unsuspecting before they get misdirected.

Pete Roberson
01-28-2014, 01:21 PM
Bill
Bringing us back on track a little, I wouldn't worry about the 6 o'clock firing pin.
It along with the tuner idea that BC claims are his idea were stolen from the 1800's
as they were both used back then, so carry on with your un-calfed ideas because they wern't
his to start with!!
Pete Roberson

Glad that stock worked !!:D

Bill B
01-28-2014, 01:52 PM
Bill
Bringing us back on track a little, I wouldn't worry about the 6 o'clock firing pin.
It along with the tuner idea that BC claims are his idea were stolen from the 1800's
as they were both used back then, so carry on with your un-calfed ideas because they wern't
his to start with!!
Pete Roberson

Glad that stock worked !!:D

Pete, was that grey marble Meredith originally yours? When I get back from SC in a couple weeks, I'm really looking forward to wringing this rifle out and see what it'll do. Maybe that first target was a fluke. If not, it'll be tough to figure out which rifle to use as my primary this season.

tuna921
01-28-2014, 06:35 PM
If you were to set out to build an Un-Calfee rifle, what would it be? That is to say, a rifle built against Calfee's tenants of what it takes to build a winner. Well, I have my version. I posted here a couple weeks ago about testing Stillers 2500X at Gordon Eck's shop and how well it shot, slapped together with a barrel and stock that he had lying around. I put my dibbs in on the rifle and this week I got a call from Gordon asking me if I still wanted to buy it. He bedded the stock to the 2500X and I went to pick it up today. While chatting with Gordon and his brother Melvin over a glass of Stagg Jr. bourbon, it hit me that what Gordon created for me was an Un-Calfee rifle. It has the 2500X SAP ignition action (I have to admit it does have 6 ignition as I didn't think to have Gordon change it to 12 ignition - there's time for that), and it has a older Rock Creek 5R barrel with cut rifling (which he had lying around the shop that no one wanted). The stock is a Meredith, not a straight line stock. It has a std Harrell's tuner that has yet to be touched, just slapped on there. I put on my old Sightron 36X scope and went to sight it in during a heavy snow storm @ 11 degrees with the wind howling pretty good. After a couple adjustments, I shot an X, the next shot went in the same hole without any enlargement. It was just too nasty to shoot any more than that. So, we have our own little spearment. Can an Un-Calfee gun, such as this, smithed by a Yankee gunsmith, shoot in a basket? So far the indications are that it just might. Time will tell, but I am proud to be shooting this Un-Calfee and pride of ownership is a good thing. Oh, it is not stenciled with any name. If I believed in such a thing, I think "Up Yours" would be appropriate.

Who else out there is shooting an Un-Calfee? Man I'm hoping this will shoot in a basket. I love spearmentin'.

Well Gordon just got my stock and action in and is going to put a barrel on it this weekend. Bill, it will be a little more Un then yours........That case of brown water is ready for you ! Just think sausage and free car washes.......Now if we could only talk Pepper out of that 4 machine!

tim
01-28-2014, 08:48 PM
I'm going to follow this very closely Tuna, action off to the stocker today, couple barrels in the works so I'm coming up right behind you. Will be real interested to see how yours shoots and your thoughts on the action once you've lived with it a bit.

Bill B
01-28-2014, 09:26 PM
Well Gordon just got my stock and action in and is going to put a barrel on it this weekend. Bill, it will be a little more Un then yours........That case of brown water is ready for you ! Just think sausage and free car washes.......Now if we could only talk Pepper out of that 4 machine!

Jim, I went to the Italian Pork Store today and got the sausage; one hot, one sweet. This place also has the best fresh mozzarella and he makes his own balsamic vinegar reduction that he had us sample and it was "Wow!!!" I grabbed his card for you, he says he ships lots of stuff out. I'll be down in SC, in a very salty car, on Sat pm (too cold to wash up here). Mmmmm I like brown water. Will call you when I get there. Curious how your rifle will be more "Un" than mine. Mine has a cut-rifled barrel while yours will have that Lilja I assume. Gordon had me slug that sucker and it slugged beautifully. Maybe I'll be able to test it before it goes out. You and Tim are going to like these Stillers I think.

Bill B
01-29-2014, 08:26 AM
Lmao if you can get down here its a block of ice .i live on the coast of nc not far from myrtle and it's bad down here. I could probably skate there faster than driving. Be careful anyone coming south.

I won't get to the Carolinas until Sat. and by then I hope it melts and all the wrecks are cleared. My brother-in-law moved down there a couple years ago. He was cracking up about how they were closing schools and going into panic mode over an expected inch of snow. I've good tires and lots of experience driving in snow - no problem. It's you southerners who don't know how to drive on it that I gotta look out for. :D Now ice is another thing, without sand or salt, ain't nobody goin' anywhere unless you have studded tires.

Vibe
01-29-2014, 09:30 AM
I've good tires and lots of experience driving in snow - no problem. It's you southerners who don't know how to drive on it that I gotta look out for. :D Now ice is another thing, without sand or salt, ain't nobody goin' anywhere unless you have studded tires.
Hell Bill, I can drive on snow fine. But here in Arkansas, we don't get "snow". It might come down that way, but 12 hours later it's mostly all turned to ice. The really bad thing is that we don't get enough of it to warrant snowplows, widespread salt/sand (just the highways) or studded tires. And folks think that you shouldn't drive over 25 on the freeway (of course they are the ones that slide back down the hills backwards too.)

Bill B
01-29-2014, 11:02 AM
Here's what you boys down in the Southeast ought to do, see Tuna (aka Jim Mollica) and buy a Subaru Forester or Outback and put on a set of Nokian WRG3. IMO the best cars for snow. While you are there, you can talk rimfire and have him tell you about his Un-Calfee. (See what I just did there? Brought it right back on topic.)

glp
01-29-2014, 11:53 AM
, which I wouldn't, I wouldn't go any where in the Winter without something like these...

http://www.tirechain.com/emergency_strap_on_cars.htm

Slick Willy
01-29-2014, 12:15 PM
Here's what you boys down in the Southeast ought to do, see Tuna (aka Jim Mollica) and buy a Subaru Forester or Outback and put on a set of Nokian WRG3. IMO the best cars for snow. While you are there, you can talk rimfire and have him tell you about his Un-Calfee. (See what I just did there? Brought it right back on topic.)

Every Suburu I`ve seen in the Atlanta area has stickers all over them ! Mostly Obama stickers , every time I see one now I look at it and low and behold it`s ugly white chick that only her mother could love, look around while your down here in SC ,tree huggers & Suburus/Obama don`t fit most folks of the folks down here that shoot rifles of any discipline!

glp
01-29-2014, 12:18 PM
Every Suburu I`ve seen in the Atlanta area has stickers all over them ! Mostly Obama stickers , every time I see one now I look at it and low and behold it`s ugly white chick that only her mother could love, look around while your down here in SC ,tree huggers & Suburus/Obama don`t fit most folks of the folks down here that shoot rifles of any discipline!

With Rainbow stickers on them? I may buy a Prius someday...to be the only one in my state driving one with an NRA sticker on it!

Slick Willy
01-29-2014, 12:33 PM
With Rainbow stickers on them? I may buy a Prius someday...to be the only one in my state driving one with an NRA sticker on it!

I`m sure Jesse Jacksons Suburu has a Rainbow sticker on it! It`s amazing that it is a cult car! Kinda like the Volvo/Rottweiler with Nigerians!

tuna921
01-29-2014, 12:37 PM
Every Suburu I`ve seen in the Atlanta area has stickers all over them ! Mostly Obama stickers , every time I see one now I look at it and low and behold it`s ugly white chick that only her mother could love, look around while your down here in SC ,tree huggers & Suburus/Obama don`t fit most folks of the folks down here that shoot rifles of any discipline!


Willy,

I have to make a living somehow, if you put stickers on your car it voids our free car wash policy. Unless it's an NRA sticker. Look at the Atlanta road mess and then lets talk driving. Bill,it will be in the 70 something on Saturday ! We can have an Uncola when you arrive.

Can you top this Bill ?

http://i61.tinypic.com/w024ug.jpg

bob finger
01-29-2014, 12:52 PM
Subaru is a terrific snow vehicle. Folks in Atlanta don't know about that. Come on guys, with all the stuff we carry with us big PU's or Suburbans are the way to go. On the other hand my Toyota SUV has 180k on it with only a single front wheel bearing gone bad so far. I'm gonna drive it till it drops then get me a PU.

Everyone says the northern folks can drive in snow. Somewhat true except for the first snow of the season. Everyone has to re-learn that day which makes it a good time to curl up and stay at home. 3 inches of white fluffy here this morning and its bumper cars time. bob

Fred J
01-29-2014, 01:47 PM
My 4WD Trailblazer holds more shooting equipment.

Vibe
01-29-2014, 02:13 PM
Willy,

Can you top this Bill ?

http://i61.tinypic.com/w024ug.jpg
Put a March 40x scope on it and shoot a 2500 in 2.6 seconds?

glp
01-29-2014, 02:20 PM
Three of us used to pack all our gear for shooting IBS centerfire in my old Ford Taurus 4 door sedan. Cramped a bit but all in. It had a huge trunk. Subarus are really popular in Maine and for good reason. Very reliable too. I hate buying Arab gas so my travel vehicle will need to be a balance of gear hauling capability and VERY good gas mileage. I don't think those two are mutually exclusive. Greg

Bill B
01-29-2014, 02:24 PM
Every Suburu I`ve seen in the Atlanta area has stickers all over them ! Mostly Obama stickers , every time I see one now I look at it and low and behold it`s ugly white chick that only her mother could love, look around while your down here in SC ,tree huggers & Suburus/Obama don`t fit most folks of the folks down here that shoot rifles of any discipline!

What cha gotta do there Slick is change that perception by taking over the brand yourself. You buy one from Mollica, put on your NRA stickers, hang some of them rubber ball sacks off the trailer hitch, and then folks will be saying. I like them Subarus but every one I see has NRA stickers all over 'em and are driven by some ulgy, redneck, white dude. You could be a trend setter. They are a tough, reliable vehicle. A couple years back I took a few buddies in my Subaru Outback deer hunting on a road on a State preserve that doesn't get plowed. I went by a Ford Explorer that was stuck. We got a few looks. I don't care who-all else drive them.

As far as holding stuff, put down the rear seats and there is plenty of room for stuff. Mel Eck and I went to the Nats one year in my Subaru with all our combined gear and luggage and got 30 MPG highway to boot and then came back with that same gear, plus some wood, lots of Rock Creek barrels and a few guns for Gordon to work on.

bob finger
01-29-2014, 02:25 PM
Fred: I had one of those. I almost went broke throwing parts at it. I used to drive Chevy's but that one broke me of the habit, then they became Govt Motors and no way I'd go back now even if the Govt divested of GM at a big loss.

Greg: A vast majority of our gas comes from right here in the USA or from our friends up north. in fact we export some too. It is a global market tho, so your point is well taken.

Bill: Around here they frown upon anyone hunting in a preserve, you could go to jail for it so be careful if you hunt down here. bob

Bill B
01-29-2014, 02:36 PM
Willy,

I have to make a living somehow, if you put stickers on your car it voids our free car wash policy. Unless it's an NRA sticker. Look at the Atlanta road mess and then lets talk driving. Bill,it will be in the 70 something on Saturday ! We can have an Uncola when you arrive.

Can you top this Bill ?

http://i61.tinypic.com/w024ug.jpg

What the heck is that thing? If that is a rail gun, I'd be careful with it. It looks like the barrel is pointing at the shooter. An Obama design maybe?

Vibe
01-29-2014, 02:46 PM
What the heck is that thing? If that is a rail gun, I'd be careful with it. It looks like the barrel is pointing at the shooter. An Obama design maybe?
Servo driven mini-gun. That thing under the rear handle is "just" the spindle support - the barrel(s) point the other direction. Belt fed. 4000 rounds per minute. (give or take)

Bill B
01-29-2014, 02:55 PM
Hey Tuna, Gordon just stopped by and dropped off a big bag of kielbasa for you. Why, in just a couple days you're going to have more sausage than Linda Lovelace. :eek:

tuna921
01-29-2014, 04:04 PM
Hey Tuna, Gordon just stopped by and dropped off a big bag of kielbasa for you. Why, in just a couple days you're going to have more sausage than Linda Lovelace. :eek:


Bill,

I heard she is driving around in a Subaru too...... Sausage and Subaru's,Willy will be at the front door tomorrow if he can ever make it through Atlanta.

Bill that tube underneath is a reverse harmonic tuner .Vibe it takes an X pattern wave and changes it to a parallel wave =)

Vibe
01-29-2014, 04:12 PM
Vibe it takes an X pattern wave and changes it to a parallel wave =)
Mount it on an X-wing and make parallel strafing runs. Guaranteed that no one on the receiving end will care. :D

SGJennings
01-29-2014, 04:36 PM
Use The Force, Luke!

tim
01-29-2014, 09:20 PM
Willy,

I have to make a living somehow, if you put stickers on your car it voids our free car wash policy. Unless it's an NRA sticker. Look at the Atlanta road mess and then lets talk driving. Bill,it will be in the 70 something on Saturday ! We can have an Uncola when you arrive.

Can you top this Bill ?

http://i61.tinypic.com/w024ug.jpg

I had my colonoscopy a couple months back. I'm pretty sure that's the same unit they used.

glynn angle
01-30-2014, 05:35 PM
I had my colonoscopy a couple months back. I'm pretty sure that's the same unit they used.
Or maybe a larger size on me !! Of course the "happy juice" guy asked if I was a drinker, I said naw. Had I said yes I'd get the "how much, how often" crap. He said well I won't give you much WHATEVER in the IV. I wondered if I made a mistake. It must have been when Doc. clipped the one polyp he found that I heard myself grunting!! Next time I'll tell him I drink early & often so hit the juice hard! :)

Bill B
01-31-2014, 08:38 PM
We had dinner in Jonesville NC, as we stopped for the night, on our way to Bluffton SC. We overheard our waitress saying to a local at the next table that she had gone sledding yesterday in a cow pasture. She was very excited. When she came over to check on us my wife asked, "Did we overhear you say you went sledding yesterday?" She said, "Yes, we don't get snow here very often , but I love it. It was only the second time I ever did any sledding." I told her to come to NY and take as much as she wants. She replied, "Well I like it, but we don't know how to drive in it. Maybe you had a chance to see some of that."

So there you have it, a full confession. It's not just a Yankee's assessment. There is only a few remnants of the snow left.

thedrifter
01-31-2014, 11:21 PM
My Un-calfee Rifle preformed admerably this week :)

I Just returned from the Lapua Test Center with a special lot of Ammo that is putting down consistent 11mm groups (Outside to Outside) at a couple points the 100m groups were as close to as good as the 50m groups. The rifle is a Feinwerkbau 2602, with Benchmark 3 grove barrel, No Tunner; However, I have a UG Tube on the front with the tuner weights off. I may not shoot much bench-rest (3-position shooter) but I do plan to shoot a few more ARA Matches this year to see if i could learn wind reading better...

Also could we keep the arguing to a minimum?

enjoy a couple pictures:
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee247/Drifter_75/6BC8272F-4DE7-46F4-8A39-DACA401ACCE9_zpssbmyx1ow.jpg (http://s234.photobucket.com/user/Drifter_75/media/6BC8272F-4DE7-46F4-8A39-DACA401ACCE9_zpssbmyx1ow.jpg.html)

I ended with Midas +
Two 10 shot groups at 50 measuring:
.390" & .461" (Outside Outside)

I would say it shoots well, man would i like to have tested the Lapua X-Act but my wallet just would have that. maybe ill test a couple boxes for grins at the next ARA Shoot.

Sincerely,
Cameron

PakRat
02-01-2014, 07:37 AM
Good Morning Cameron

I am very interested in seeing how and if PRX can be applied to the bloop tubes that are commonly used on 3P.

I would be interested in knowing what your barrel length and tuner length are.

Drop me a line at prx2500@outllook.com

I appreciate any help you might give

Tony Purdy
The Purdy Prescription

PakRat
02-01-2014, 10:34 AM
You're right Sam, he did say he had no tuner. But he did say he had a UG tube, which I believe is custom tunable bloop tube developed by Eric Uptagraf.

I am also doing a little bloop tube work on my own and am always looking for information and insight.

Have a great day

Tony

thedrifter
02-01-2014, 10:47 PM
PacRat,

My barrel is 26" inches long; however, the PRX term you used does not compute with me at the moment.

On the tuner note, the tube made by Eric Uptagraft (UG) has a small threaded section, where two threaded weights could be adjusted forward and back. The forward one has indexing marks and the rear weight is used to lock the forward one into place. adjustable to I think .002" increments, I could get some pictures if you like?

PakRat
02-02-2014, 05:48 AM
Good Morning Cameron

PRX stands for the Purdy Prescription. It is a process I came up with to determine the tune for 22 RFBR rifles. It is used primarily for the Harrels tuner, and both the long a short slide. It is based primarily on finding the right length for the correct tune.

Since a bloop tube adds length, it stands to reason (at least to me), that a bloop tube at the correct length would enhance accuracy as well

I would appreciate some pics. All I have seen is what is on Eric's website

Have a great day my friend

Tony Purdy
The Purdy Prescription

Team Windsor
02-02-2014, 06:20 AM
Well Gordon just got my stock and action in and is going to put a barrel on it this weekend. Bill, it will be a little more Un then yours........That case of brown water is ready for you ! Just think sausage and free car washes.......Now if we could only talk Pepper out of that 4 machine!

Jim......Your 2500...IT SHOOTS. I know, trust me. I washed my hands before shooting it. Ed.

Bill B
02-02-2014, 07:50 AM
Hey wait just a doggone minute! Gordon let you shoot it before me. Can't be!! Everyone knows those 2500Xs can't shoot in a basket. It's been decreed!! That barrel sure slugged nice tho. I'm sure Jim is wearing a big ole smile this morning.

Team Windsor
02-02-2014, 11:26 AM
Hey wait just a doggone minute! Gordon let you shoot it before me. Can't be!! Everyone knows those 2500Xs can't shoot in a basket. It's been decreed!! That barrel sure slugged nice tho. I'm sure Jim is wearing a big ole smile this morning.

Ol' Jim wouldn't be wearin such a smile should he come back to NY and try to win a match here!! That warm southern sun has a way of spoilin a guy. :).....That is one smooth shootin iron tho. Come on back Jim, we'll warm up a bench for you.

tuna921
02-02-2014, 07:21 PM
Ol' Jim wouldn't be wearin such a smile should he come back to NY and try to win a match here!! That warm southern sun has a way of spoilin a guy. :).....That is one smooth shootin iron tho. Come on back Jim, we'll warm up a bench for you.

I might just do that this year,I want to whip Gordon in his own backyard. Plus Pepper still owes me Peter Lugers. Pepper those Eck boys can eat trust me !

Mel Eck
02-02-2014, 07:59 PM
Pepper has enough of My quarters to buy at Peter Lugers.

Frank Green
02-03-2014, 07:46 PM
Well this definitely won't fall into the Calfee rifle class. It's a Ballard Model 6 1/2 Rigby off hand rifle. The barrel was replaced by the Steven's factory around 1909. The gun went from most likely a .32-40 or .38-55 caliber gun and was converted to .22RF. The barrel has 8 grooves, a left hand twist and gain twist rifling. 18-16.5 twist. Gun shoots awesome. Just got it back from the stock being repaired and the crown was damaged and I didn't have the tools/actions wrenches and I wasn't going to be the guy to have to take the barrel off and risk damaging the factory engraving so I sent it to SPG Lube/Wyoming Armory. Steve and Keith performed they're normal magic. Steve shot it from a Pope machine rests. The ammo the gun like the best and he just thru a variety of stuff thru it he had laying around was Federal Ultra Match (UM1). The gun would shoot that ammo into nice small ragged holes. One group came in at .237" H x .200" wide center to center. The target shown is .306" H x .244" W. The groups were fired at 65 yards. Outside and in the cold of Wyoming just a couple of weeks ago.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/gto66/P1050022_zps0d90ead5.jpg (http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/gto66/media/P1050022_zps0d90ead5.jpg.html)

glp
02-04-2014, 10:48 AM
Wouldn't you know it, UM 1!! IMHO one of the best ammos ever produced. Unobtanium now, or so they say. :)

Gorgeous rifle Frank!!

Jetmugg
02-04-2014, 04:10 PM
It really wont matter - if you build the ultimate un-Calfee rifle, shot by an un-Calfee shooter, and it's breaks every record ever set, Ole' BC will claim that you stole the idea from him anyway.

tuna921
02-04-2014, 06:16 PM
Well this definitely won't fall into the Calfee rifle class. It's a Ballard Model 6 1/2 Rigby off hand rifle. The barrel was replaced by the Steven's factory around 1909. The gun went from most likely a .32-40 or .38-55 caliber gun and was converted to .22RF. The barrel has 8 grooves, a left hand twist and gain twist rifling. 18-16.5 twist. Gun shoots awesome. Just got it back from the stock being repaired and the crown was damaged and I didn't have the tools/actions wrenches and I wasn't going to be the guy to have to take the barrel off and risk damaging the factory engraving so I sent it to SPG Lube/Wyoming Armory. Steve and Keith performed they're normal magic. Steve shot it from a Pope machine rests. The ammo the gun like the best and he just thru a variety of stuff thru it he had laying around was Federal Ultra Match (UM1). The gun would shoot that ammo into nice small ragged holes. One group came in at .237" H x .200" wide center to center. The target shown is .306" H x .244" W. The groups were fired at 65 yards. Outside and in the cold of Wyoming just a couple of weeks ago.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd457/gto66/P1050022_zps0d90ead5.jpg (http://s1220.photobucket.com/user/gto66/media/P1050022_zps0d90ead5.jpg.html)


Frank, now that's a classic.

linekin
04-14-2016, 03:41 AM
Being a work in progress I'm wondering if it now ought to be wearing an Ezell tuner?
Keith