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skeetlee
08-16-2013, 06:56 PM
Just looking for some opinions on the short bolt bat actions. Do you like the short bolt? Do you think or feel like the firing pin is to lite? Just opinions or experiences. Lee

David Halblom
08-16-2013, 08:27 PM
Just looking for some opinions on the short bolt bat actions. Do you like the short bolt? Do you think or feel like the firing pin is to lite? Just opinions or experiences. Lee

the sweetest action I have ever owned. It is a R/L/R in a Meredith stock with a Shilen or a Krieger barrel. Topped by a Competition 45in tall Kelbly rings. Was a new build over last winter. I should add, it is one of the original builds, serial # 80 something, still has a Remington style shroud.

ReedG
08-16-2013, 09:47 PM
Lee, I'm no expert but I have two BAT SV's -- a 30 BR and a 6 PPC, both RBLPRE -- and I think they are the best of the best. Short, light, extremely strong and as accurate as anything out there. If there is a drawback it would be the reduced bedding area, but I've seen no indication of that being a problem in my guns. I have no "Varmint Al"-type of metal analysis, but sure seems to me that the short, thick SV has to be one of the stiffest actions available.

82boy
08-18-2013, 10:31 AM
I have had one for some time, it shoots good. I like the short throw on the bolt.

mks
08-18-2013, 12:29 PM
Short actions concentrate more recoil force in the stock. So even if the short action is stiffer, you could end up having more muzzle rise because the stock material is deflecting more. Or worse, the stock material yields and the bedding fails. Kelbly for some time made a longer action with recessed barrel threads (for the life of me I can't think of the name - help, DanH) that solved this perceived problem. On the other hand, BR rifles have also been made with Wichita pistol actions, which are extremely short. So it seems you can make any action length work. Long and short both have advantages and disadvantages. Not something to worry about, other than maybe a glue-in without a recoil lug in a strong recoiling caliber.

JMHO,
Keith

skeetlee
08-18-2013, 01:05 PM
I'm going to build one in a scarbrough stock for a 6ppc LV. i love how big and dead bob makes his stocks, and they track like a dream. My only real concern its the bolt size. Seems the norm these days with bat actions is to add weight and spring tension to the firing pin.
I think i will play with the action a bit on my rail gun before i send it off to be glued into the stock. Hopefully the rail will tell me what i need to know?? I get nervous every time i build a new rifle. I guess the bottom line is that, some rifles have it and some just dont!! Time will tell the real story! Lee

Hunter
08-18-2013, 01:30 PM
I guess the bottom line is that, some rifles have it and some just dont!!

That's a subject I've pondered recently. When a custom custom gun is not shooting (and may have never shot well) is it likely the "gun" or the barrel (ignoring scope and mount issues)?

skeetlee
08-18-2013, 07:25 PM
In my mind a rifle is a system. This system is made up of several parts, including the dies and ammo. This system has to work well together all the time. Everything must work together!
I buy, sell and trade rifles quite a bit. Just kinda my hobbie. One thing for sure in my experienes, is that not all rifles no matter how exspensive shoot well all the time. I cant tell you why, but some rifles are just better than others. I have ever heard the term, "hummer rifle" from more than a few other shooters that feel the same way i do. So i guess building a new rifle is kinda like a crap shoot, and i hate to gamble!! LOL!!!

82boy
08-18-2013, 10:55 PM
Seems the norm these days with bat actions is to add weight and spring tension to the firing pin.

Well before you get your hopes up, if your intention is to do this mod, you may want to look at a different model. When I talked to Dave Bruno, he did not recommend doing this to a S model, and he further stated he doesn't have a spring for this model.

goodgrouper
08-18-2013, 11:44 PM
Just looking for some opinions on the short bolt bat actions. Do you like the short bolt? Do you think or feel like the firing pin is to lite? Just opinions or experiences. Lee

My uncle just got a Bat back from Dwight Scott. It was there for "upgrades". You may want to contact Dwight before going any further with your build. That's all I'm sayin'.;)

glp
08-19-2013, 10:58 AM
Short actions concentrate more recoil force in the stock. So even if the short action is stiffer, you could end up having more muzzle rise because the stock material is deflecting more. Or worse, the stock material yields and the bedding fails. Kelbly for some time made a longer action with recessed barrel threads (for the life of me I can't think of the name - help, DanH) that solved this perceived problem. On the other hand, BR rifles have also been made with Wichita pistol actions, which are extremely short. So it seems you can make any action length work. Long and short both have advantages and disadvantages. Not something to worry about, other than maybe a glue-in without a recoil lug in a strong recoiling caliber.

JMHO,
Keith

the POLAR and the TEDDY actions. --Greg

HovisKM
08-19-2013, 11:16 AM
Lee,

The only reason I would not go with the S, SB or SV is resell value. I have owned several BAT actions and cannot tell the difference between how they shoot.

Hovis

old 4 and 1
08-30-2013, 11:49 PM
I have a Bat S action and Dave Bruno did the spring kit on it and it has worked great ever since.