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JerrySharrett
06-10-2013, 07:37 AM
We have not lost the land, yet, and we have not lost our guns, yet, but we have lost the government. On the morning "talking head" news programs even the ones in power behind the policy makers are fighting among themselves. When the Richard Haas's of the CFR and the Eric Cantors of the TLC, are fighting among themselves of who to blame and who to prosecute or worse who to execute, this is going to make for an interesting conversation.

Our old 24/7 news stations have turned into whose girls can show the most skin, like FOX and CNN, and turned into National Geographic travelogues, CNN, and round-table screaming, FOX-The Five), folks, the news and information media, such as they were, are gone.

It is time for everyone to write their US Representatives and US Senators to find out where they stand, (or hide behind). I did just that early last week to Corker, Alexander and Roe, and .....silence!!

Phil Deese
06-10-2013, 02:40 PM
It's sad to see our nation go down the tube, however we have no one to blame but ourselves! I had the republican party call last week wanting more money, I said they weren't getting another dime until they grew some and starting standing-up against these communists. all my doations will be going to the Tea Party. I see all these retired folks that call theirselves patriots and they are supporting the AARP, which is sending their money to the democrats who are destroying us!! Heck if they don't do something soon honest Americans will have to start exterminating these rabid dog muslims just to keep our families from being wiped-out by these murderers, and yet the government is doing all they can to give them whatever they want. If you look back to the Christian Crusades they suffered the same problem until they started exterminating them by the thousands to save their countries. I might be considered a radical and Obama may be watching me, but as a old Marine I'd rather die fighting for my country than hide in a hole like a rat until they kill my family and country.

fx77
06-10-2013, 04:00 PM
So agree.
When the voters can demonize the conservative hard workers , and vote themselves more and more benefits from politicians who care not for the country, but only for their own power generated through reelections..we are finished.

blades
06-10-2013, 04:53 PM
If that's true, then the end started somewhere around 1960.

jackie schmidt
06-10-2013, 05:38 PM
If that's true, then the end started somewhere around 1960.

Lyndon Johnson's "great society". When you tell a big chunk of the population that they do not have to be responsible for anything and the Government will take care of you, what we have is what you get.

JerrySharrett
06-10-2013, 06:40 PM
If that's true, then the end started somewhere around 1960.

Nope, it started in the timeframe between 1890 and 1915.

CR I, the first Cultural Revolution which gave us the heavy dope crowd, Kent State, prayer out of the schools, the 10 Commandments off the courthouse walls. etc., was of the 1960's era.

CR II is now underway. So far it is giving us the "coming out heros, the "war" on terror, the gathering of "damaging" data, GGA (gun grabbing again). FOX's Family Guy type programming, and such. (I call your attention to the line from Family Guy three weeks ago when he said to his male lover "I love to smell me on your breath" ). BTW, I saw that on "air" TV when I was surfing the digital thingy in my camper. Knowingly I would never have even looked at that station....fifty five years ago we would have burned down the TV station..fifty five years ago the FCC would have brought the gasoline and the matches

VaniB
06-10-2013, 07:18 PM
Lyndon Johnson's "great society". When you tell a big chunk of the population that they do not have to be responsible for anything and the Government will take care of you, what we have is what you get.


Among other things, this is exactly what has happened to this nation. As a Republican you can't out-do that at the polls by offering to give away more and buy votes, because then you are simply transforming yourself into a Democrat. The Republicans will never be able to overcome this in National Elections from here on in unless there is a major political event or scandal that will bring down a presiding Democrat Administration......and 4 years of the current economic crisis we just went through was still not enough to elect a Republican President!! Romney was not my choice, but he was a good person and a fine candidate. And he still lost badly. Even with a rare Republican Election win, it will always be 1 step forward, and 2 steps backwards for us into further erossion. For those of you optomists who like to see rainbows......all I've seen is a steady decline of red states turning blue!!!!!!!!!!

Frankly, I've been waiting for a successionist party to arise, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. Lord no!!.....I'm not looking for another civil war to happan, as much as I'm more more looking forward to a movement of a few million citizens to rise-up and loudly say "Enough!!....no more talk, and no more debate! We are declaring a divorce and a new independent commonwealth. This state will become our new home among like minded conservative thinkers and Constitutionalists. If you wish to try and stop us and continue to subject us to your illegal laws and taxation (ie;Obama care, Planned Paranthood subsidies, etc) then it will take an army to arrest us, and an intern camp to contain us". Personally, I see little or no bloodshed involved in such a sucessionist movement, as in my view most Democrats and Liberals simply don't have the stomach for it.

jackie schmidt
06-10-2013, 10:16 PM
Well, if president means anything, we had a good one set for such activities back in the 1860's.

We had a President at that time who had the courage to do what it took to preserve the Union. I can only hope we will have one when such malcontents decide to try it again.

blades
06-11-2013, 08:16 AM
Currently and for sometime there is really no difference in either political party, other than the name.
The shenanigans are the same dressed in blue or red.

JerrySharrett
06-11-2013, 09:23 AM
Currently and for sometime there is really no difference in either political party, other than the name.
The shenanigans are the same dressed in blue or red.

I've made that point for some time. Actually, since the so called Neo-Coms came into the GOP from the Democrat party (Neo-Coms is not a misspelling).

The following is an excerpt from Patrick J. Buchanan's current article on his web site and published in many US newspapers including my local Times-News.

""Lately, the U.S. and Israel planted a Stuxnet worm that crippled scores of centrifuges and disabled Iran’s nuclear enrichment plant at Natanz. If we can do this in Iran, can we not do the same to nuclear plants all over the world, creating two, three, a hundred Chernobyls and Fukushimas?

Is it too much to imagine that, one day, if not already, the United States will be able to cyber-sabotage the power plants, electrical grids and communications systems of any country on earth?""

Is this what we have become and is this where we are going? Would not this have the capability to create a nuclear disaster to end civilization if the wrong person got to the red button??

This is certainly not what I voted for nor what I put on a uniform for and swore to Support and Defend!!

GerryM
06-11-2013, 05:50 PM
something to think about/ Obama has access to the Red Button. He also has declaired thats is OK to use drones to kill Americans.
Whats next?

VaniB
06-13-2013, 02:18 PM
Worry less about one man like Obama and the threat of red-buttons out there, and more about the immediate terminal condition of this country and the multiple generations of retards that keep electing and enabling such politicians and their policies. Obama is nothing more then the result of just what your fellow citizens endorsed on election day.

The culture of moral decay, and the unwillingness to apply common sense to today issues for the fear of being politically incorrect, is further being propogated by politicians who buy votes from half of an America that doesn't work/and or pay taxes. To top it off, this cancer thrives and grows with the support of the media.

Game over! But just when the lights will go out, I can't predict.

JerrySharrett
06-13-2013, 04:05 PM
. To top it off, this cancer thrives and grows with the support of the media.

Game over! But just when the lights will go out, I can't predict.

Read this 2009 Washington Post column by Fox News star contributor Bill Kristol. Then read the comments that followed. The NeoComs like Kristol are what is wrong with the nation and the GOP and why our major problems will not get fixed until 1) The GOP purges itself of such enlightenment as this, or, 2) There comes a winnable third party, or, 3) As VainB predicts "Lights out"

Of course Mr Kristol is just following the footsteps of his "non-observant" father Irving and his mentor Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov of Divide and Conquer fame.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/11/divide_and_conquer.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol (You do know what "non-observant" means don't you??)

VaniB
06-13-2013, 07:14 PM
Jerry,

A two party system is simply the way it is, like it or not. You either vote Replublican or Democrat. If you personally vote Democrat, there is nothing worth discussing or debating with you, as you and I would have such a diverse and opposite core of beliefs. I no longer have the patience to try and reason with the followers of Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, and Sheila Jackson Lee's Democrat Party or other such kinds of people who I know are at the crux of the problem. While some folks enjoy debating or discussing opposing views, I don't. Thankfully, most of the folks on the majority of gun forums think much alike on many political fronts, and I need not worry about running into too many opposing views and the insults that often ensue.

No, I'll give you that the Republicans are no damn good, including Billy Kristol or whomever you choose to single out, as they are very much appeasers with little backbone, BUT, (and a big BUT) they are largely NOT the party promoting and allowing so many things that have destroyed the moral thread of a truly once great nation. Yes, I concede that it's still a great nation, but it's just a shadow of what it once was. I don't know how people can vote for the party of abortion, gun bans, entitlements, redistribution, open borders, gay marriage, and the general lowering of morality and standards accross the board so that achievers are frowned upon as God, George Washington, Christopher Colombus and "Merry Christmas" are all tossed out of our schools. But let's bring in some more 3rd world people. That we need! We haven't enough future Obama voters of every color (including white), nor enough of our own home grown ignoramuses with their pants falling off their as* ....not to mention the fastest growing prison population in Western Culture. What a truly stupid nation I live in.

JerrySharrett
06-13-2013, 09:16 PM
Jerry,

A two party system is simply the way it is, like it or not. You either vote Replublican or Democrat. If you personally vote Democrat, there is nothing worth discussing or debating with you, as you and I would have such a diverse and opposite core of beliefs. ................ ....What a truly stupid nation I live in.

At one time the GOP and the Dems had different core beliefs. Now, its big government and war for both. Why? When the NeoComs came over to the GOP and took over the back-room control its now a pickum.

As to my voting I have voted for an independent for the last several Presidential elections. As to this country staying a two party system don't count on it. The TEA folks, many will step out for a reasonable candidate. Two-party systems are fatal anyway. A country needs several factions to the point that coalitions must be formed to govern. What we have now is a coalition between the GOP and Dems to NOT govern, but control....the NSA for example.

As to a stupid electorate, yes, and it is by design....called the Dumbing Down of America!!! When civic minded people have to go off shore to get accurate world news, that is very bad!!

Joe Salt
06-13-2013, 11:29 PM
WOW! People are really starting to wake up, Imagine that. But is it too late? This non leader needs to be impeached!

Joe Salt

GerryM
06-14-2013, 07:46 AM
Dumbing down AKA brain washing via the education system and , control of the press.
Disinformation preached at every level of government. Its been going on for a long long tiime, the cold war type of tactics used to control people.
It all about Control as you have said Jerry.
Its also all about $$$$$ and where politicians have their money invested,. tht he basis for our foreign policy.

JerrySharrett
06-14-2013, 11:38 AM
""So what are the Republicans doing?

Going back on their word, dishonoring their platform, and enraging their loyal supporters, who gave Mitt 90 percent of his votes, to pander to a segment of the electorate that gave Mitt less than 5 percent of his total votes.

Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad."" -PJB 6/13/13




http://buchanan.org/blog/the-bell-tolls-for-the-new-majority-5616

jdjframes
06-14-2013, 11:23 PM
A bit interesting.

My dad was born in 1898 and I bet his dad said the country was going to a hot place in a hand basket(why a hand basket?).

My grandfather was born in about 1869, and I bet his dad told him the same thing, what with the aftermath of the Civil War.

I was born in 1946 and my dad told me things were bad and going to get worse. He couldn't see how the country could hold together much longer.

My son was born in 1989. Sure I tell him things are not as good as they could be, times are changing, society is changing, people are changing, etc. and not necessarily for the good.

I also tell him the good old USA is still the best country in the world. Sure we have our quota of weird types, crooked politicians, lazy people and general no-goods. Just read the news from anywhere else in the world. At least we vote to change gov't, we don't stage bloody coups. We don't conduct genocide, though some types advocate such things. We don't have an official ruling class, though some old families tend to think they are. Generally we at least attempt to help those less fortunate than us and anytime there is a disaster anywhere in the world we are there to help. Maybe we mess things up a bit, but we at least try.

Take you pick - where else in the world would you want to live?

Keep your powder dry and well hidden.

Jim

JerrySharrett
06-15-2013, 07:50 AM
Jim, you present very valid points. I have always thought that as we got older and became
more aware of our surroundings we grew more fatalistic. Further to your
point, in 1931 the philosopher Will Rodgers made a similar statement.
According to Mr. Rogers, the nation was traveling to that hotter than hot
place and was nearly there. In Mr. Rodgers explanation the nation was
traveling in a hand basket, however that works.

But, the reality is that as We the People strive for more security we allow
our lawmakers to pass legislation that always, always, place further
restrictions on our freedom and liberties.

An example, from a shooters standpoint, is the passage of the 1930's firearm
restriction legislation that bans us from owning fully automatic guns and
sawed off barrel shotguns. From a purely libertarian view the law should
hold a person responsible for their own personal actions not portend
restrictions on the implements we care to own and use. Same thing on a very
restrictive law passed in 1968 that we know as the Gun Control Act of 1968
(GCA68)

This brings us to present day and to a point where all our communication,
telephone, internet, smoke signal,and such, are put in a big Trillion dollar
memory stick in Utah which already contains enough data to put us all on
“someone's” list of undesirables.

Points here 1) Why should I trust a government who must spy on every thing
I say or write, and, to the gun control part 2) Why should I trust a
government that does not trust me to own guns. Its not difficule to see where we are getting
separated from the original freedoms and liberties of the original US
Constitution.

Your great grandfather, your father and you are exactly correct, this nation
is traveling to the hotter part of the hereafter. My reasoning for starting
this thread was to help make shooters and gun owners aware of the progress
of this journey. As to those, like my daughters neighbor, who, says they
would never allow guns in their house. To those folks I say, “great plan”,
I'll be sure to not come over and bring mine if you need help fending off some
unwanted intruder!!!

GerryM
06-15-2013, 09:04 AM
all said another failure of the press and the ist amedments commitment to guard our freedoms.

crb
06-15-2013, 10:29 AM
all said another failure of the press and the ist amedments commitment to guard our freedoms.

The mainstream press gets their indoctrination via the liberal dominated education system.

VaniB
06-15-2013, 12:41 PM
A bit interesting.

My dad was born in 1898 and I bet his dad said the country was going to a hot place in a hand basket(why a hand basket?).

My grandfather was born in about 1869, and I bet his dad told him the same thing, what with the aftermath of the Civil War.

I was born in 1946 and my dad told me things were bad and going to get worse. He couldn't see how the country could hold together much longer.

My son was born in 1989. Sure I tell him things are not as good as they could be, times are changing, society is changing, people are changing, etc. and not necessarily for the good.........


...............


Jim

Jim,

I don't think any of your family in previous generations witnessed a 48% illigitamcy rate amongst whites, 61% amongst hispanics, or 83% amongst blacks, nor did they become a minority in their own nation. Neither did half of your family's fellow citizens collect welfare, food stamps, or other such benefits which enabled the able-bodied to stay home and watch TV while they let others work for them to pay their bills. Most previous generations were from a society that would never understand todays entitlement mentality, their pride wouldn't have allowed it, and the government would not have propogated it.

Nothing lasts forever....NOTHING! People have lived in dynasties and great civilizations only to see them slowly die, or worse, end abruptly.....and I'm sure many of those citizens made the same case as you are making here "Yea, yea, yea... my Great Grandaddy said the same thing". Perhaps this country will not outright collapse or lose it's name, but it will be so different years from now that we will not recognize it....as has been happening already for quite some time. When the ethnicity, culture, and values of a people change so radically as it has here in only 2 to 3 generations, well so too will a democratically based government also change with it. After all, isn't a democratic government run "for and by the people" so it is just a reflection of 51% of those same people? (ie; it only takes 51% of the vote to drag the other 49% of the population along with it, including YOU and me. ) Countries will come and go. No matter what they choose to call themselves. Prussia, Persia, South Africa, Germany, the USSR and other notable societies from more recent times are just an example of what can happen......and we are standing in the midst of it as it's happenig here and now.

alinwa
06-15-2013, 07:24 PM
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither"

Our forbears who've fought and died for this truth are spinning in their graves.

al

Pete Wass
06-15-2013, 07:34 PM
This past winter about this very subject. It was written by Prof, James T. Patterson, titled The Eve Of Destruction, How 1965 Transformed America. Prof. Patterson lays it all out and determines that 1965 is the point at which it all slid away. One of the books he suggests one read to get a better view of how it happened is "Mr. Social Security, the life of Wilbur J. Cohen by Edward D. Berkowitz. I am about half way through it and it is most informative. Wilbur Cohen spent most of his working career on the Govt payroll writing and justifying all the social legislation we now have. He actually believed that folks would not want to live off Welfare; imagine - - -. All of this came out of the "Experimental University" at the University of Wisconsin in the Thirties. One of the presidents back in the 20's decided that this country needed "Diversity" so he imported a bunch of Socialist and Communist Professors from Europe and plugged them into out Universities. Diversity, we sure as heck got it now, don't we? If you want to know the why, this reading will show one. Unfortunately, we are now One World and all in the Hand Basket. We lost the country to LBJ in 1965 and most of us were asleep. McCarthy was right but looking in the wrong place :).

I always like to know Why, even if I can't do anything about it.

fx77
06-16-2013, 03:17 PM
If U live in an overwhelmingly BLUE state, what is the sense of voting at all?
U R not represented. Your opinion matters not, and the Electoral College System in these states where all the people are located, is winner take all
Watch out...Texas Will Flip Blue...and then when it does, turn out the lights...

crb
06-16-2013, 06:08 PM
If U live in an overwhelmingly BLUE state, what is the sense of voting at all?
U R not represented. Your opinion matters not, and the Electoral College System in these states where all the people are located, is winner take all
Watch out...Texas Will Flip Blue...and then when it does, turn out the lights...

NY cities are supposedly losing population. Guess where they are headed ?? South. The moocher class is also moving out of southern cities to the burbs. They are running away from the high tax gooberment they voted into power but they haven't changed their voting habits. The nation really is lost.

JerrySharrett
06-17-2013, 06:36 AM
Watch out...Texas Will Flip Blue...and then when it does, turn out the lights...

After listening to Texas Governor Rick Perry speak last night at the Faith & Freedom Foundation convention on C-Span, Texas may have a hard time turning blue as long as he has any say in the matter.

relodr36
06-17-2013, 07:59 PM
Get on You-tube and look at some of the videos of the Detroit ruins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw

You will be shocked!

xs hedspace
06-19-2013, 10:41 AM
As far as I'm concerned, Big Money has taken over the country. Campaigns are funded by them, the media benefits with all the lying annoying political ads, and the Supreme Court has declared corporations have the same rights as the individual! Bailouts? The people need a bailout, not banks! The Republicans shot themselves in the foot by not supporting higher taxes on the wealthy, and now we're stuck with the liberal weasels. Look at tax rates when Ike was president, way higher for big money incomes, but business was booming.

Wilbur
06-19-2013, 01:16 PM
Part of my upcoming was in a coal mining town. The mine owners paid very little but folks could get what they needed on credit at the company store. What they needed is defined as what they needed to stay working. The schools met the criteria but the young'uns couldn't attend very long as they had to work if the family were to "have" anything. The lack of education, cash to get out, and somewhat the initiative kept old school coal mining alive for quite some time. Then, the unions came and the small mines bought machinery to replace people - or closed the mine. Somehow that worked out for the better.

I mentioned the initiative to get out. If you take a quick look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs and picture the situation you will easily see how it all fits in to make a working model of a coal mining town. Now, a bit more complicated, but bounce the people of the USA against Maslow's list and it ain't too big of a stretch to fit the general population right in there - and - see why we're in this shape.

We need to pick a "get out" spot that fits most of us and just DO IT. You gotta realize those miners took a huge chance with the union. Some gained and some lost in the short term but their decendants have better lives.

Easier said than done. Maslow's list implies the difficulty. The union folks, went door to door, held meetings, and had some highly motivated individuals doing the talking to convince these folks to do what they did. They worked at it!!!

I'll quit now...Sorry for the rant

Steelhead1
06-19-2013, 01:20 PM
XS,
Your surely disconnected from reality! Taxing the rich never accomplished the intended result! Your state of NY is a Classic example, Your state is taxing the living daylights out of the wealthy, and the wealthy are leaving in droves! Spending like a drunken sailor is the problem! The U.S. has the highest tax rate of any nation on corporations, Why do you think large corp's have moved corp offices to country's with lower taxes!
The whole problem is with our over regulating government! Dept of Energy, EPA, OSHA have all created such business destroying regulation's that the average business guy can't make an honest buck, because of these monsters on their back! How many business's could survive today without loans from banks yet you want to blame them for all the problem's! How about some personal responsibility, you don't have to have a credit card, or a morgage or a new car loan, but people go out everyday and spend money they don't have, they have learned well from our congressmen and senator's, keep spending and ask the rich to subsidize that spending! When you say corporations, I am figuring your pissed because of the Citizen's United case, which would point to the fact that your a pissed off union worker that thinks only the things that unions want to say about a politician are the only words that the american people should hear! That only unions should be allowed a voice in the electoral process, well you didn't get your way did you! Your pension if it is from a state union is one reason why your states taxes are so high, and your state is so broke that they had to pass more taxes onto the rich! I can't wait until they pass a law in NY that they will start going door to door to pick up your illegal firearms, but I am guessing you will want to blame that on the gun industry!!

Travelor
06-20-2013, 05:38 AM
I think the unraveling of the Change President is in progress. Now if we can survive what he has put in place long en ought to disentangle our selves from the Change..................

Bill Wynne
06-20-2013, 11:06 AM
We have not lost the land, yet, and we have not lost our guns, yet, but we have lost the government.

The way I see it is your thoughtful statement is 180º off target. We have not lost our government but rather, our government has lost us.

We have had bad presidents before. Obama maybe the worst of the lot. History will show.

I am Concho Bill and I am a voter.

JerrySharrett
06-20-2013, 03:19 PM
Part of my upcoming was in a coal mining town. The mine owners paid very little but folks could get what they needed on credit at the company store. What they needed is defined as what they needed to stay working. doing the talking to convince these folks to do what they did. They worked at it!!!
............
I'll quit now...Sorry for the rant

And Mr, Peabody's coal train just hauled them away.

Strangely, the UMW and John L. brought in one of the biggest features of Communism--"Wprkers Unite". Somehow that didn't work, it just caused more of what we have now, the workforce getting screwed!! We need a different plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkD1uOGhP2s --This is the most upscale version I cold find....pure Bach!!

JerrySharrett
06-20-2013, 03:31 PM
The way I see it is your thoughtful statement is 180º off target. We have not lost our government but rather, our government has lost us.

We have had bad presidents before.....

I am Concho Bill and I am a voter.

Bill, I got an email this morning from a fellow BR shooter. He said he was a Dem till Clinton. I wrote back that I was a Dem till LBJ, then I was GOP till George W and the NeoCommies.!!!

The reason we both quit those parties is, we both wrote, is that "we didn't change, both parties changed". Ironic isn't it?

Guys and gals, the NRA is the only game in town right now, so think about supporting it. The NRA, for decades, has been the only standing stalwart for gun ownership.

I am a voter and I am the NRA!!

MarkR
06-20-2013, 08:39 PM
Part of my upcoming was in a coal mining town. The mine owners paid very little but folks could get what they needed on credit at the company store. What they needed is defined as what they needed to stay working. The schools met the criteria but the young'uns couldn't attend very long as they had to work if the family were to "have" anything. The lack of education, cash to get out, and somewhat the initiative kept old school coal mining alive for quite some time. Then, the unions came and the small mines bought machinery to replace people - or closed the mine. Somehow that worked out for the better.

I mentioned the initiative to get out. If you take a quick look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs and picture the situation you will easily see how it all fits in to make a working model of a coal mining town. Now, a bit more complicated, but bounce the people of the USA against Maslow's list and it ain't too big of a stretch to fit the general population right in there - and - see why we're in this shape.

We need to pick a "get out" spot that fits most of us and just DO IT. You gotta realize those miners took a huge chance with the union. Some gained and some lost in the short term but their decendants have better lives.

Easier said than done. Maslow's list implies the difficulty. The union folks, went door to door, held meetings, and had some highly motivated individuals doing the talking to convince these folks to do what they did. They worked at it!!!

I'll quit now...Sorry for the rant

Howsabout a warm fuzzy.....Wilbur?

Bill Wynne
06-21-2013, 11:41 AM
Out here in West Texas we have rancher and farmer breaking drouths, as a matter of fact, we are in the throughs of one now.

Well, anyway, we had a very long and dry spell back in the '50s and it was hot and dry and the lakes were all going dry. The President at the time was Eisenhower, a republican. Everyone out this way were democrats But he came with his smile regardless. He flew into our town in his big three tailed four engine plane named Columbine III and we all turned out to see him. This was the first time a sitting President ever visited San Angelo, Texas. The next day he traveled around our area looking at crops and ranch land. He would stop and shake hands with hard bitten farmers and ranchers who were out at their fences beside the road.

Anyway, before he finished his tour the clouds gathered and the rain started at first slow but with dollar size drops and then hard and steady. It was one of those rains that soaked the parched land and filled our lakes with water. It was truly a blessing from God.

After that, we all voted Republican and still do to this day.

Concho Bill

JerrySharrett
06-21-2013, 03:07 PM
Out here in West Texas we have rancher and farmer breaking drouths.....

Anyway, before he finished his tour the clouds gathered and the rain started at first slow but with dollar size drops and then hard and steady. It was one of those rains that soaked the parched land and filled our lakes with water. It was truly a blessing from God.

After that, we all voted Republican and still do to this day.

Concho Bill

I have a benchest friend who ranches in Lubbock who already votes republican and they have only had two 1/2" rains in the last 9 months. What do you suggest he do, vote for, or just hope for a lottery winning??

ultramag44
06-21-2013, 05:24 PM
I don't think any of your family in previous generations witnessed a 48% illigitamcy rate amongst whites, 61% amongst hispanics, or 83% amongst blacks, nor did they become a minority in their own nation. Neither did half of your family's fellow citizens collect welfare, food stamps, or other such benefits which enabled the able-bodied to stay home and watch TV while they let others work for them to pay their bills. Most previous generations were from a society that would never understand todays entitlement mentality, their pride wouldn't have allowed it, and the government would not have propogated it.

I live in Lubbock. It's rained 2X in the last week!

In the local paper, They give us "mixed editorial content", a mix of national (editorial), syndicated writers. So, we get good conservative stuff, and a dose of liberal rubbish. It keeps the 47%'ers happy. So far, so good.

The liberal writing is the usual clap-trap. BUT, this week, one of the liberal writers (his name escapes me) quoted most of your above figures. He said just having bennefit prgrams will never be enough. This is true. Then he went on to say until we "balance families", it simply won't be fair and the have-nots will never get ahead because they won't have the tools to teach children how to compete. he went on & on. Then the real picture emerged.

What he was actually saying (while not saying it outright), was we need to assign people into marriages like a business manager puts people into specific jobs to get the work done! Can you see this? Your educated daughter or so son the "assigned spouse" to some unwashed, semi-literate clown?

If we don't flip the senate, then all is lost. It may be too late already. If we can flip the senate, withdraw from the 'league of nations'..um I mean the UN, and tell them the building will close in 30 days, then there is a chance to come back from the edge. Go back to the tried & true policy of Isolationism. That way the Eurotrash & near-east can sink by themselves into the morass they created.

abintx
06-21-2013, 06:17 PM
Well, if president means anything, we had a good one set for such activities back in the 1860's.

We had a President at that time who had the courage to do what it took to preserve the Union. I can only hope we will have one when such malcontents decide to try it again.

We do, only the methods used now are a little different and make more sense in the digital world.

In the 1860's during the Civil War Lincoln suspended what many would argue is the most sacred law of all … habeas corpus. A court order that commands an individual or a government official who has restrained another to produce the prisoner at a designated time and place so that the court can determine the legality of custody and decide whether to order the prisoner's release.

In the 1940's during World War II, the FBI opened any piece of mail they wanted. They listened in on phone calls, intercepted cable traffic and they did it all without a single warrant.

And anyone who is naïve enough to think we treated every POW to the exact standards of the Geneva Conventions has never spoken to a Marine who served in the Pacific. Not every Japanese POW was treated as well as we’d like to believe.

FDR, a man who is considered by many to be one of our greatest presidents, interned thousands of Japanese Americans as well as German and Italian Americans. We simply rounded these people up based solely on their ethnicity and stuck them in prisoner of war camps until the war was over.

Perhaps all secret screening programs should be curtailed to pacify a few, and then as a replacement, place thousands of Middle Eastern decent in prisoner of war camps until the war on terror is over. We've moved beyond these methods and into the 21st century. :)

sdean
06-21-2013, 07:08 PM
How is the 21st century looking to you so far?