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matchman
04-24-2013, 04:26 AM
My local club has a center fire factory BR match (no custom nothing) no weight limit. This is for score 1 shot per ground hog target 100_200yds.

I'm considering a Remington .223 700 5r. Only because it seams to have one of the better barrels on an OEM varmint rifle.
Good choose ? Better options ? Is .308 win a better option ?
Thanks for your thoughts/opnion.

DSM
04-24-2013, 04:43 AM
Factory? Savage Benchrest in 6mmBR

dansig
04-24-2013, 06:12 AM
factory Sako 6mm ppc, probably the most accurate factory rifle made today.

LHSmith
04-24-2013, 07:01 AM
I would go with the .223 ....most shoot more accurately with a light recoiling rifle.
I don't believe Sako has chambered the 6 PPC for a number of years ....and when they were produced, very few were made.

matchman
04-24-2013, 07:52 AM
I guiess this "is" the ideal rifle : Model 12 Benchrest in 6BR ( Duel port/single shot)
Price is kinda beyond my $1k mark and I need to order it (wait time)

That leaves me with a repeater in Savage heavy 12 series or a Remington 700 repeater.
Caliber ? .223 / .22-250 / .308 seam to be typical options.

Honestly Savages feal Klunky to me . Remington's feal like a better built product. But the target tells all so its still a consideration.

So am I better off with something like a Savage 12 BVSS or a Remington 700 thinking 700 R5 (or Police) ?
.223 //22-250//.308 ?

Greyfox
04-24-2013, 08:57 AM
It depends on the club rules. You might get a good Remington, but it's a crap shoot. You would be just as likely to get a dog. The Savage 6BR is a better gamble, but it's no slam dunk either ( I speak from experience). The Sako 6PPC, while a good choice, are as rare as hen's teeth and spendy when you find one. If the rules allow, the best gamble might be a Cooper in 6BR or maybe 6 or 22 PPC. Of course, your budget might have something to say as well.

Rick

matchman
04-24-2013, 09:02 AM
Rules : Factory class: Any production rifle in its original stock with original barrel and action. Any caliber within range rules is lega.No flat bottom benchrest stocks are allowed.Guns that do not qualify in this class are 40X, Cooper, Kimber and other limited production, semi-custom guns.

abintx
04-24-2013, 10:29 AM
My local club has a center fire factory BR match (no custom nothing) no weight limit. This is for score 1 shot per ground hog target 100_200yds. I'm considering a Remington .223 700 5r. Only because it seams to have one of the better barrels on an OEM varmint rifle. Good choice ? Better options ? Is .308 win a better option ? Thanks for your thoughts/opinion.

I wouldn't purchase anything right now. Wait a couple of years until there's ammunition on the shelf. Then make a decision based on what's readily available. You can't shoot a rifle, regardless of caliber, without ammo! :(

matchman
04-24-2013, 10:34 AM
I wouldn't purchase anything right now. Wait a couple of years until there's ammunition on the shelf. Then make a decision based on what's readily available. You can't shoot a rifle, regardless of caliber, without ammo! :(

Who says I have no amo componets.:rolleyes:

Chism G
04-24-2013, 11:27 AM
I'm a big fan of the Rem 700. I owned two Remington 700 PSS Rifles. One in .223 and one in .308. Shot VFS(Score) with the .308. Bought a PAST shoulder pad to tame the recoil. The .308 was more accurate with factory ammo,but the recoil is noticeable even with the the recoil pad. The .223 was a pleasure to shoot,but It gave up a little accuracy to the .308. Based on my experience.





Glenn

SGJennings
04-24-2013, 11:32 AM
Sako L461 in 222. Second most accurate factory rifle ever built...with great barrel life. If you're going to drop a wad for a factory rifle, get one that'll last.

matchman
04-24-2013, 11:48 AM
I'm a big fan of the Rem 700. I owned two Remington 700 PSS Rifles. One in .223 and one in .308. Shot VFS(Score) with the .308. Bought a PAST shoulder pad to tame the recoil. The .308 was more accurate with factory ammo,but the recoil is noticeable even with the the recoil pad. The .223 was a pleasure to shoot,but It gave up a little accuracy to the .308. Based on my experience.





Glenn

Thats is what I suspected .223 vs .308.
Im thinking my wallet will be empty before recoil becomes an issue with .308.

The Sako L461 has not been is stock for years for my dealer to order.

Hunter
04-24-2013, 12:14 PM
Sako L461 in 222. Second most accurate factory rifle ever built...with great barrel life.

What's your take on the most accurate factory rifle ever built?

steve stanley
04-24-2013, 01:44 PM
From the local factory matches that I attend, the savages in a 6br are hard to beat and have been for several yrs.

matchman
04-24-2013, 03:08 PM
From the local factory matches that I attend, the savages in a 6br are hard to beat and have been for several yrs.

I thought the Savage 12 Bench rest has a flat bottom stock ? Does that not remove it from most factory class shoots ?

ehkempf
04-24-2013, 04:56 PM
You might want to consider these:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338141778

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338533119

or this:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=338424090

The Sako might be out of your price range.


Ed

matchman
04-24-2013, 05:26 PM
I guess I'm doing what I usually do .......selecting and limiting my self to the wrong choises
Thanks for the great input !
Adam

dansig
04-24-2013, 05:38 PM
that Sako on Gunbroker is a gorgeous gun, and only $1300 for a 6ppc it's a steal..

if it were left handed I would take it...

SGJennings
04-24-2013, 09:52 PM
What's your take on the most accurate factory rifle ever built?
The same rifle in 6 PPC.

alinwa
04-25-2013, 01:35 AM
I will submit a vote for the Sako BR single shots as the most accurate factory rifles ever produced.

Boyd Allen
04-25-2013, 02:20 PM
I shoot left handed due to a dominant eye situation, and from the bench, when given the choice between right bolt paired with right port, or left bolt with left port, much prefer right right. It is not even close. Who buys a CF varmint rifle to take off hand shots?

ehparis
04-25-2013, 02:42 PM
My local club has a center fire factory BR match (no custom nothing) no weight limit. This is for score 1 shot per ground hog target 100_200yds.

I'm considering a Remington .223 700 5r. Only because it seams to have one of the better barrels on an OEM varmint rifle.
Good choose ? Better options ? Is .308 win a better option ?
Thanks for your thoughts/opnion.

Don't assume that all Remington 700 5R rifles have barrels that good. My .223 groups around 1 inch with the heavier bullets for which a 1-9 twist is designed. It will shoot 52/55 gr. just under 3/4 but that's about it. It's nowhere near what a regular good 700 barrel is and it is a _good_ deal pricier.

Jerry

HFV
04-28-2013, 11:45 PM
Dansig, I fully agree. The Savages are great shooters but simply will not agg w/the Sako 6PPC or 22PPC.
factory Sako 6mm ppc, probably the most accurate factory rifle made today.

Jet
04-29-2013, 09:19 PM
Take a look at the Savage model 12LRP. Will meet your range rules. The one I have in 260 Rem shoots 5 shot groups inside .4 with a couple different loads.