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Flat Tire
11-26-2012, 12:05 PM
I have looked at this a little and search but didn't get any real answers, what is the difference between these three .308 bullets ?
185 gr Match Hybrid
185 gr Match Target VLD
185 gr Match Target BT Long Range

Eric Stecker
11-26-2012, 12:29 PM
The difference is the shape of the nose.

Hybrid = Starts off with a tangent shaped ogive and transitions into a secant. Tangent ogives are known to be less sensitive to seat depth differences. This is believed to be due to the smooth transition between the bearing surface and the nose. Secant shaped ogives are better in the wind (if they are the same length as a tangent ogive). So the secant portion is designed to be better in the wind.

Target VLD = This design is a pure VLD with a secant ogive. Secant ogives perform better in the wind but they can be sensitive to seating depth and will shoot best when loaded to a COAL that puts the bullet in a "sweet spot" which is usually about .040 wide. This sweet spot can be anywhere from touching the rifling to a .150 jump (in some reports even further). For more on how to get the best performance out of VLDs in your rifle go to our website and read the article linked below.


Target BT Long Range = This bullet is made with a pure tangent ogive that is very long. The design of this bullet is meant to be easy to tune and the long nose will perform well in the wind. In fact the 185 gr Long Range BT has a slightly higher BC than our 185 gr VLD because the nose is roughly .085 longer than the VLD nose. This bullet is extremely popular with High Power Palma Style shooters who are restricted to shooting only the 308 Win in competition.

Below is a link to a section on our website called "Lines and Designs" which gives more detailed information about the different designs we make.



11-26-2012, 12:43 PM
What's the difference between the following 6mm, 65 gr bullets?

PN 24405 -- FB Target, and
PN 24409 -- FBHP

Both shown as "Match"

Flat Tire
11-26-2012, 11:47 PM
Eric- thankyou

11-27-2012, 01:21 AM
eric you rock :)

Eric Stecker
12-02-2012, 04:23 PM
I'm hunting in Texas right now and will need to research this when I get back. I don't have an answer to this question and based on the sources I can find the only thing I can say is that both bullets have been discontinued. I will get back to you on Monday.


12-03-2012, 08:35 AM
I don't have an answer to this question and based on the sources I can find the only thing I can say is that both bullets have been discontinued.

Both part numbers on shown on the Sinclair website, and I bought some 24405 within the past few months.

PS Also, can you explain the reason(s) for having 62, 65, and 68 grain bullets? Is it simply a matter of some guns shoot different bullet weights better than other weights?

Eric Stecker
12-03-2012, 10:11 AM
The 6mm 65 gr WEB bullet (PN 24409) has not been discontinued. It is the same shape bullet as the 6mm BR Column but the weight is always going to be 65 gr while the BR Column is not a set weight. The 6mm 65 gr FB (PN 24405) was discontinued as of 11-19-12. This bullet is the same shape as the 6mm 68 gr we have been making for decades. I'm sure that some stock exists with our resellers but we won't make this particular bullet unless someone wants 10,000 or more in one order.

aka Hunter,

This is a great question. Your guess as to the answer is correct. It is easy for us to make bullets in different weights. Those who try different bullets find that one bullet may out shoot the other weights. This however does cause confusion. It can be assumed by the shooter (sometime mistakenly) that when one bullet out shoots another bullet then the matter is settled.

This doesn't mean that the other bullets won't shoot as well or better. It is similar to changing any of the many variables in a rifle and load. BR shooters are looking at such a tight performance window that even the slightest changes can show improvements (or worse performance) on the target.

Since this is true with BR we will keep a tight range of weights and shapes available. We did discontinue the 6mm 65 gr (24405) because we just didn't see a reason why we needed essentially 4 different 65 gr bullets when you include the 6mm BR Column since it is usually around 65 gr in weight.

Clear as mud?