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Boyd Allen
11-09-2011, 02:22 AM
Spent a little time, just at sundown, with no wind, (yes I had flags out.) shooting some RWS 40 gr. target ammo in my CMP heavy barrel 40X. (50 yd.)It was instructive. I had cleaned the barrel, and also taken the barreled action out of the stock, so it took some rounds to get some lube in the barrel and things settled in the bedding (stock, with the forend bedding screws seven clicks past touch, established by prior test) I have a lot to learn about how to shoot a .22, but I managed to learn a thing or two, and I turned out a couple of groups in the low to mid threes. Is this ammo better than that? What has your experience been with it? Thanks.

I plan on spending more time learning to shoot this combination more consistently. The first thing that I figured out is that I can't get away with things shooting this rifle that I can with my 6PPC, or maybe it is just that my errors have been masked by the recoil and noise. In any case, this promises to be a learning experience.`
Boyd

Roger T
11-09-2011, 09:32 AM
Boyd, From what LITTLE I've learned in the past year it's find what your rifle likes in RF's. Get different brands/speeds ammo to try. A tuner is another option BUT from what my NEWBIE trials has shown is if it (rifle )doesn;t like the ammo a tuner will only marginally improve your groups/targets....as I said I'm NEW on this so take it for what it's worth. It is addicting tho......

Boyd Allen
11-09-2011, 10:13 AM
Roger,
Thanks for the quick reply. I understand the whole thing about trying out various kinds of ammo. I guess what I was trying to find out is whether someone has gotten significantly better performance from this ammo. If someone has, then I may consider further refinement of my rifle while continuing to shoot the RWS. If not, then I may have to switch to something better to fully evaluate my rifle. This was only about $10 a box, at full retail. I know that other brands can cost a lot more. Part of what complicates this is that it is my impression that most rimfire competitors shoot score, which possibly means that they may be getting excellent results but have no groups to refer to. I guess I should ask about accuracy, including score performance, and not just group size.
Boyd

Roger T
11-09-2011, 10:41 AM
I honestly haven't shot much RWS and (I'm sure your aware that their are different grades of RWS as in the other top Manufacturers. The rifles I bought (used) came with some of their prefered ammo/speeds/lots (Eley)in the purchase. I have tried all sorts of price ranges tho from $1.00 stuff and up(just had to see). Wolf Match Extra/SK Standard Match about $7.00 a box has worked well in the broadest range of RUN WHAT YA BRUNG local shoots (Marlins to 2013 Annies). FWIW 1 rifle is a Burtch/Laitalla H&R mdl 12 Broughten bbl w/tuner the other is 1 of Brian Voelkers Rem 541X's .

Boyd Allen
11-09-2011, 10:58 AM
Thanks, I will see if I can find any locally. I should add that having saved the empty box turned out to be a good idea. It turns out that it was $7 a box, some of their Sport Line Target Rifle ammo. I found this brochure
on the internet that shows representative 10 shot groups for each grade of ammo. (page 9) http://www.ruag.com/de/Ammotec/Hunting_Sports/RWS/RWS_Target_Shooting_brochure.pdf
Looking at that, it seems that I am getting about as much as one could expect from this level of their ammo. Looking up the chart, it made me curious as to how my rifle would handle the top products. Those were some impressive groups.

I seem to remember others telling me about Wolf as well, now to find some.

Boyd

Roger T
11-09-2011, 11:05 AM
Dan Killough or Champion Shooter Supply

DonMatzeder
11-09-2011, 12:01 PM
several years ago, a few of us were using SK and grouping as well as any of the Eley varieties. The problem with it was that about one or two out of a brick would go pfsst and hit about 1"or 2" low.

bob finger
11-09-2011, 12:28 PM
I've got about half a case left of some SK Standard + I bought this summer. Shoots as well as most of my Eley black box and better than some. One or two droppers per brick preclude its use when someone else is scoring the card. Good ammo for practice and fooling around on a card. At Piney Hill last Friday I shot a practice card with it...250-18x. Not all my weekend cards were that good with my best Eley black box. Go figure. bob

BAJ
11-10-2011, 01:30 AM
Some of the best 100 yards groups I have ever seen were shot with R50. I test ammo first at 100 yards because I shoot smallbore prone.

Brian

Pete Wass
11-10-2011, 09:25 AM
It will all depend,

On what kind of event you are going to shoot in and how well you want to do in it. I have shot in a couple of "Long Distance" (100 and 200 yds, 1 of each) Rimfire events. A friend and I shared the same rifle, a Rem 37. We were shooting at a "Card" that had a 6 or 8 inch Bull with, perhaps a 4 inch X ring inside that @ 100 and a proportionally bigger bull and X ring @ 200. We shot SK ammo at those "Cards". He came in first with a 99-something and me second with a 99 something with less xes and the third score was close to that; perhaps a 98.
So, it depends if one is trying to hit a 6,8 or 10" ten ring or a dot that is a fly speck. The search for Fly Speck obliterating ammo is the hard part of RF shooting. My recommendation is to go to the ARA Nationals in Lousiana coming right up a few days early and test what Dan has there. If you find some "Fly Speck" ammo, buy all of it either you can afford or all of it he has there. Otherwise it is a process of buyng a number of different lots, a box at a time, by Machine and lot number and testing when it comes. With any luck, the others testing that good lot number won't have bought all of it before you can call back.

That's all ther is to it. Luck plays in pretty big in finding good ammo in the later situation. Having said that, I know of a few folks have found good SK and good Wolf but as Bob sez, it's being able to trust it to not give you the flyers that is the troublesome part. If that isn't an issue then those brands may be a good place to look.

There exists ammo that will most likely work in most rifles but everyone with any amount of experience and who wants great ammo is looking for it plus, there are groups of folks who are scouting for the group, complicating the process.

Good Luck,

Pete

BAJ
11-10-2011, 11:44 AM
A 4" x-ring is huge at 100 yards! For smallbore metric prone the 10 ring is 1" at 100 yards and an X cannot break the 10 line. Good ammo has to be able to shoot under an 1" if you want to be competitive. I'll regularly shoot 198s on these targets prone with iron sights.

Brian

Pete Wass
11-11-2011, 08:29 AM
A 4" x-ring is huge at 100 yards! For smallbore metric prone the 10 ring is 1" at 100 yards and an X cannot break the 10 line. Good ammo has to be able to shoot under an 1" if you want to be competitive. I'll regularly shoot 198s on these targets prone with iron sights.

Brian

I had the feeling that the targets being used were lot bigger than what might be the usual. Of course this is a once per year club event held in the middle of the winter for a bunch of Senior Citizens. The events are mainly meant to get people out of the house. I only used this event to ilustrate the difference in what level of accuracy a person needs or wants.

bigredplane
11-13-2011, 08:48 AM
Boyd Allen

This isn't the same as RWS Target. But I tried some 8 lots of RWS R-50 this years and found two of 8 lots to out shoot any Eley I have ever had. I shot my two highest Aggs. ever with.

Scott

Blanco
11-21-2011, 03:09 PM
Spent a little time, just at sundown, with no wind, (yes I had flags out.) shooting some RWS 40 gr. target ammo in my CMP heavy barrel 40X. (50 yd.)It was instructive. I had cleaned the barrel, and also taken the barreled action out of the stock, so it took some rounds to get some lube in the barrel and things settled in the bedding (stock, with the forend bedding screws seven clicks past touch, established by prior test) I have a lot to learn about how to shoot a .22, but I managed to learn a thing or two, and I turned out a couple of groups in the low to mid threes. Is this ammo better than that? What has your experience been with it? Thanks.

I plan on spending more time learning to shoot this combination more consistently. The first thing that I figured out is that I can't get away with things shooting this rifle that I can with my 6PPC, or maybe it is just that my errors have been masked by the recoil and noise. In any case, this promises to be a learning experience.`
Boyd

I have a new Anschutz 64 Benchrest, and I've been testing ammo for some time. I've also bedded it and barrel tuned it. The RWS-50 in mine was very good but not spectacular. I've had much better results with the Eley ammo (Tenex, Match, and Team). The Eley black box and red box have been particularly impressive. My best groups have been between .16 and .20 inch with these ammos, and my average groups have been under .33 inch with them. This is all on an outdoor range with some wind. The test target that came with my new rifle shows a .33 group under very controlled conditions, so I've been pleased with the outdoor Eley ammo groups.

Cordially,
Blanco

Larry Willis
12-08-2011, 09:51 AM
I shoot an Anschutz 54 Silhouette rifle that prefers RWS ammo over anything. It shoots in the mid 3s consistantly (even counting the very worst targets). Eley Tenex is close but not quite as consistent.

bigredplane
12-11-2011, 08:15 AM
Just a little news for us RWS R-50 fans. I hear from Bob Collins that RWS is testing a new rimfire Bullet right now. Don't know what is. I think also they are changing how they test. Now I'm not sure but I think they are going to start using custom made guns from the good old USA for testing. Not some factory gun that most of us don't use. Now this is what I've heard. How much is ture I'm not sure. Sounds like all good things to me.

Scott